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#247424
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motion tracking advice needed
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247424/action/topic#247424
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bugger it! vegas is giving me a headache but I don't think it's suited for this bit I'm trying to do.

I need to motion track a static plate against foreground video as the camera pans. I've masked out part of the video image to replace the ronto in the background and created a new digital plate to fill in the resulting gap. the camera moves a bit as the speeder pulls away in the alley and I'm having trouble matching the movement of the static plate to the foreground video.

how does one do it properly and hopefully with the minimum of fuss. I've tried using camera movement in vegas but it's not up to it. I need to be able to pick common points on both images, and get the program to use those as reference points so they both move together.

can this be done?

I've got

after effects
adobe premier

a) what is this techinique called
b) can anyone point me to a tutorial, alternatively, can I send you the two bits of footage and you could motion track for me?

it's 88 frames of stuff.
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#247195
Topic
Are the PAL GOUT DVDs upscaled from the NTSC masters?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/247195/action/topic#247195
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ahum, ....... may as well put in my tuppence worth, everyone else has.

OUT on DVD. for reference I bought the PAL region 4 Australian version.

neg's

grain (harder to clean on my computer, not impossible, just harder.)


positives.

its the original version.

now on my Sony Bravia LCD screen, the upscaler must be pretty good, because when I zoom the image, I don't get any crappy artifacting. its shameful that lucasfilm did not use a PAL master for a PAL region but considering I've only ever seen NTSC versions of the LD pressings on my TV, the jaggies don't distract too much because I expected them to be there.

sangnom will cure that when I make it anamorphic and sharpen it up a bit for myself.

5/10

could have been soooo much better but this might be the only chance to own OUT on DVD so it'll have to do.
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#240318
Topic
STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/240318/action/topic#240318
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adywan.

your shot of threepio on the tantive doesn't look quite right to me. yes threepio is golden, but at the expense of yellow tinting the tantive white walls behind him.

you've obviously colour corrected but to my eye it looks like a little too much in that direction.

when I did the tantive.

I used the white balance filter in Vdub set to 235 235 235 custom value and exported the tantive sequence scene cut by scene cut.

I then used colour correction in vegas.
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#240109
Topic
Selectable crawl on new DVD? Or just the old one?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/240109/action/topic#240109
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its encouraging to see that there is a reasonable level of sharpness there to play with. too soft and no filter in the world can do much to recover the edge delineation etc.

Editdroid ESB has always been a hit and miss affair. on slow moving scenes no problem, but fast moving stuff is tremendously jaggy.

editdroid has always looked good but like I said in a previous post, these new DVD's are a few generational steps closer to the original material than anything we've previously had access to.

my one concern as someone has already said is whether or not there is much in the way of digital smearing.
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#239003
Topic
So, this is how the DVDs are going to look...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/239003/action/topic#239003
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i love it when people twist things I say.


then I can use my filters, colour correction etc to bring the footage up. Russ15 knows what my filters can do after I showed him some samples from when I fiddled with the editdroid version.



Yo can not add picture information where there is nothing.



I never said that. I'm not saying I'm adding picture information. what I can do is sharpen the image, improve contrast and brightness. saturation and color correct and then present a better looking image. I've already run tests on this and its possible.

besides, you're using a spurious argument because XO project team have PROVED picture detail can be recovered from the LD transfers 'ie the starfields.



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of course. all the work being done by X0 project is relevant because as the LD and the new OUT DVD is struck from the same master tapes, then the footage suffers from the same problems of dirt, grain, damaged frames etc.



No, because they are hand-fixing these problems. I believe that in the end, the X0 transfer will look better than the official DVD´s. They are working with raw uncompressed images while when workind with the DVD, you have to re-compress everything, introducing more digital artifacts.



yeah, they're hand fixing problems. so what? if the OUT DVD is taken from the same mastertapes, then it will suffer from the same spotting, splicing problems, etc just like the DE LD's they've captured from. therefore, if its framed the same, they can apply the same changes to it and recover the same detail, and correct the same way.

they're working with raw uncompressed images? really. yeah uncompressed from an analogue capture which in its own turn can introduce artifacting of its own depending on the equipment used. they're using the XO machine which is top notch to eliminate this issue but it won't be completely gone.

and like I've said. the OUT DVD will a few steps closer to the original film material than the LD captures are.


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so, while this release isn't exactly top, we were already adjusting non anamorphic LD to be anamorphic, so nothing changed there, we have an original source to look at.

Again: YOU CAN NOT ENHANCE THE PICTURE QUALITY BY UPSCALING A NON-ANAMORPHIC FRAME TO ANAMORPHIC.



never said I was introducing more detail, but you've said the OUT DVD lacks contrast etc. well that CAN be corrected as can saturation and color correction. upscaling non-anamorphic to anamorphic is more than just about picture detail.

have you watched a non anamorphic DVD on a 16:9 LCD screen. it looks horrible because it has to upscale, ie zoom the source material to fill the screen and maintain the correct aspect ratio. if I already do it. yes, the upscaling softens things, but then you can use filters in the likes of virtualdub to bring that sharpness back so your upscaled image, looks as good as the non-anamorphic version or better.

I've done this. I'm familair with avisynth and virtualdub and I have done this before. it's not about gaining additional picture detail, it's about using filters etc to sharpen what is already there and give a more vibrant lively image that isn't so flat due to poor contrast etc.

capiche?
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#238876
Topic
So, this is how the DVDs are going to look...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/238876/action/topic#238876
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for me there are a number factors at work here playing on me. On the one hand I begrudge Lucas Double Dipping.

also, T'bone has a caught a rumour that 2007 might bring some kind of monster star wars box set for the films 30th anniversary. more deleted scenes and all manner of stuff. re-touched films? certainly. apparently lucas is again tinkering with the films for the 30th anniversary.

the only way for us to get OOUT on DVD in top quality is for LFL to do what they did to the 2004 SE. rescan the original film neg, recomposite everything digitally.

considering that to make the 1997 SE, the had to scan and recomp everything in the first place, there must be a full versioin of the original film to start with, Lucas just doesn't want to acknowledge its existence.

so, if Lucas won't do it, that leaves us with this.

all this pissing and moaning ignores one factor which I don't think anyone has mentioned.

laserdisc.

=

film neg
to master tape
to laserdisc processed version
to capture version (raw footage reinterpolated by a computer system)
to re-encoded. (ad infinitum depending on how many processed you run it through.)

that means, our bootlegs are between 4 or more steps between us and the original film which is a lot of processing.

new OUT DVD

=

film neg
to master tape
to dvd

we rip the DVD which is the same as the DVD gives us 2 generations away from the original.

gives us more grain etc but we are working with more raw footage. okay, it means the film grain is there (bear in mind that the lowry processing pretty much eliminated the original film grain anyway, giving us a really pristine image but it always felt a little odd to me because its almost too perfect.)

then I can use my filters, colour correction etc to bring the footage up. Russ15 knows what my filters can do after I showed him some samples from when I fiddled with the editdroid version.

of course. all the work being done by X0 project is relevant because as the LD and the new OUT DVD is struck from the same master tapes, then the footage suffers from the same problems of dirt, grain, damaged frames etc.

so what they're doing will work just as well on a source, if framed the same, is closer to the original neg.

(BTW guys, a release of any of your scripts to bring up the starfields to public domain would be quite nice )

so, while this release isn't exactly top, we were already adjusting non anamorphic LD to be anamorphic, so nothing changed there, we have an original source to look at.

I think the only unanswered question is whether or not the original trilogy release to come is using master tapes? or master tapes that had the additional processing etc for LD added to it.

if its untouched, then it's gotta be worth using to some degree, even if it does need adjustment and fixing.

I know I've burbled a bit, but I don't think anyones mentioned that point yet.
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#238283
Topic
STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/238283/action/topic#238283
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but surely it's worth leaving that shot in unfixed?

if something is riding on a repulsion field, then it is subject to movement based on weight etc. luke getting out of the speeder would make it bounce on its field as the weight changes and the internal projector adjusts to the new weight to maintain the ride height.

makes perfect sense to me.
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#237897
Topic
.: The Lancer DVD Project :. (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/237897/action/topic#237897
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productive day.

atmospheres rediddled

canyon clip finished. good spot there. I reframed it slightly to crop out the bit of sky.

I also upped the saturation in the canyon so it matches the initial establishing shot better.

lightsabres updated. a number of bits and bobs needed tweaking.

further colour correction throughout the film

find below the final tweak of the day

the xwing dive on the death star. one of the fighters does not have an engine glow and that has always bothered me.

first pass to fix it.

might tweak it more, not sure yet.

dive
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#237850
Topic
STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/237850/action/topic#237850
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but you['ve got realise, inserting scenes like this, then make the later scene with tarkin announcing the senate disolution superflous.

it's a bad story telling techinique, repeating a scene and showing it in narrative form from two different perspectives.

tarking coming in and announcing it is then unnecessary. however, you could show the emperor disolving the senate, then cut to the meeting room later where they discuss the death star instead + vaders force choke and you cut out the announcement part.
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#237795
Topic
.: The Lancer DVD Project :. (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/237795/action/topic#237795
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oooh go on. I'm using vegas 5 for this. I would imagine doing it in photoshop using a premier filmstrip would be much easier to control but I don't have the program.

actually, something else also springs to mind.

on the main establishing overhead shot of the tantive and star destroyer as they go over our heads.

as the planets come up into shot. the main big moon is all blue and then becomes grey. if you could supply an in all other respects untouched version of this shot with the black bars cropped off I'd be quite happy, I can't track the moon properly in vegas.
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#237779
Topic
.: The Lancer DVD Project :. (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/237779/action/topic#237779
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okay, I had a new way to come up with the atmosphere. find all the shots of tatooine with atmosphere haze added. the problem here is that the existing blue atmosphere haze is basically solid, not transparent so I've had to balance new haze, against blending with the blue already present.

I've tried chroma keying out just the blue and that looked horrendously bad.

I've added the haze to all the tatooine shots so that they are all consistent.

note, some people may find it is too dark or too blue or whatever on your screen. all I can say is, you need to calibrate your screens. mine is and this is being done based off that calibration.

star destroyer pass
escape pod
atmosphere shot3

atmosphere shot 4