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#1472252
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The Mandalorian EP3: A New Path (A Book of Boba Fett Edit) [WIP]
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Sirius said:

Boba Fett has some weak lines in this show. Maybe you could use this site to create new lines for him:

https://fakeyou.com/?vocodes=1

This is a site that creates AI generated voices, and have Boba Fett and Din Djarin voices in it.

That’s very cool. I’ve been playing around with some lines and it sounds really good for Boba since his voice is already modulated.

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#1467032
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The Mandalorian EP3: A New Path (A Book of Boba Fett Edit) [WIP]
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It’ll definitely be interesting to see how you handle this one. I like the flashbacks, but the present day stuff seems bafflingly underwritten. I’m not really sure what Boba’s motivations are. Moreover, it doesn’t even feel like him based on what we’ve seen in the canon comics and small snippets in TCW and the OT. A character developing is great, but Boba seems to have popped out of the sarlacc fully developed already. He seems pretty chill and nice even before he joins the Tuskens. There’s not even a hint of his former self.

I’m also surprised at how unintelligent he seems in the present day scenes. I laughed when the Mayor’s aide snuck out and Boba was like “he locked the doors!” Hopefully, the upcoming episodes will give you something to use to clarify his motives in a film edit.

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#1467030
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The Star Wars Novel Editing Ideas Thread
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Interesting thread. I think the three things that would benefit the most from fanedits are the ST novelizations. JarJar and CaptainFaraday have already done work on this. I think there’s a lot a stuff you could do in terms of structure and minor editing that would restore a sense of finality and respect the overall saga, while also being canon compliant. One idea I had was including a scene in the TROS novelization where Anakin’s force ghost appears to the slowly dying Leia. Leia forgives him and then decides to use the last of her energy to reach out to Ben. It creates a nice parallel of sons and daughters. Leia forgives her father (or tells him that she had already forgiven him long ago). Han forgives his child.

Another idea I had was moving the TLJ epilogue (broomboy) to the end of TROS. Instead of the kids just talking about Luke’s sacrifice, they talk about the whole saga. Heroes triumphing over the evil Empire, Luke’s sacrifice, and the Resistance defeating the First Order. The Skywalker Saga ends on the myth of their story and presents a hopeful future.

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#1466617
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Darth Plagueis: The Canon Edit - A novel fanedit (Released)
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Guiguioh said:

Thanks for this, and i will give your Solo edit a look for sure. Do you have any interest in giving the ROTS novelization a canon clean up ?
(pmed you for the updated link )

Sent. I think Darth Zounds has already done a ROTS novelization edit. Here’s a link to that.
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Revenge-of-the-Sith-A-Novel-Fan-Edit-released/id/90896

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#1466613
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Star Wars: The Last Skywalker Awakens - A sequel trilogy &quot;mega-edit&quot; (<em>RELEASED</em>)
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bbghost said:

I am pasting this rambling manifesto here as a keepsake, and for anyone in these forums who for some reason wants to read 2,000 words on why I made this edit and how I approached it, now that it’s complete. Read at your own risk!


From a Certain Point of View​

DS

Star Wars premiered in 1977 as a nearly perfect film. So wholly self-contained was its story it needed no sequel, no prequel, no appendices, no expansion. It did, however, make enormous amounts of cash, so inevitably it got all of these and more, coming to form a large portion of the blueprint for serialized fiction and media franchises for the next half a century.

Star Wars is still, to me, watching a VHS copy of Return of the Jedi in 1994 taped off of Saturday night TV; ads, Lotto and all, bits of the sand barge fight lost to bad tape. By 1997 I had worn the tape out completely, just in time to be introduced to the concept of fan editing as George Lucas released the Star Wars Special Editions… These Special Editions, along with decades of expanded universe media, the exponential complexity of technology, remakes, remasters, director’s cuts, video game modding, retcon, side-canon, headcanon and the construction of modern fandom culture have all encouraged fans to engage Star Wars with a sense of modularity and malleability that’s only grown as more changes are made to the original films themselves, even under new ownership.

Later, I was inspired by other fan editors and their efforts in transforming and recontextualizing Star Wars, shaping their own visions of what it meant to them, just as Lucas continued to do with his own work. Granted, the often combative mentality with which a sizable portion of “the Star Wars fandom” takes to this stuff can be off-putting at the best of times. But in between all of that is a thoughtful and creative community, collaboratively making sense of all the disparate elements that make up Star Wars.

An Old Hope​

Hands

The themes of Disney’s Star Wars sequel trilogy were made clear from the outset. As The Force Awakens transformed the events of prior films into diegetic myths and legends, a story very much preoccupied with our own connection to the nebulous, mercurial world of Star Wars began to emerge. This metatextuality is embodied through its characters: in Kylo and Rey’s reverence for and respective interpretations of their forebears’ deeds, analogising the audience’s relationship to Star Wars itself. Through images and symbols: the Skywalker lightsaber and its family’s legacy, Rey living among the bones of her grandfather’s empire, Vader’s helmet, prayed to by Kylo as an object of almost religious significance.
While Lucas’ own infinitely referential image systems served as a foundation for this new era of Star Wars, it became a kaleidoscope of familiar faces and motifs, colliding in a chaotic cosmic dance of semiotic friction and synthesis, the familiar becoming charged with new context, metatext, intertext.

Though both shared their origins in old adventure serials and Lucas’ other esoteric interests, the original trilogy dealt largely in Arthurian and Campbellian mytho-religious space fantasy, while the prequel trilogy focused on realpolitik and cautionary tales about the dogmatic hubris of American hegemony. The sequel trilogy, however, struggled to find its place among this mélange. Much has been said already about The Last Jedi’s gesturing at systems of dark capital that fund both sides of the eponymous war in the stars, only to be ‘undone’ by the appearance of the Final Order’s gargantuan fleet in the next film, unbound from any considerations of logistics or commerce (to say nothing of the preceding Starkiller Base with its dizzying scale and power). This to-and-fro reads very much as Star Wars in search of an identity.

What do the new Jedi look like as an institution of political power? What is the underlying ideology of Rey’s Jedi order, and how is its vision of “order” informed by or differentiated from that of old? After the Final Order’s defeat, how will the victorious Resistance reckon with the systems that gave rise to the Empire and the First Order in the first place? What does it mean to consider the humanity of each and every stormtrooper? How do we as an audience contend with the often racist anthropological inspirations of Star Wars? What good is a fantasy about being on the morally right side of perpetual warfare in a contemporary media landscape where this is virtually the only narrative being sold to mainstream audiences, and a world in which perpetual imperial war seems almost inevitable? (Not that it didn’t in the 70s for targets of America’s ire, but that’s another rant.)

While The Last Jedi itself was not particularly “subversive” in a thematic sense, it did pave the way to further these ideas in a possible and alternate Episode IX. I was excited initially at the prospect of opening a proverbial Pandora’s box, at a potential rattling of Star Wars’ foundations and seeing how it might change. But, ultimately, Disney’s films were disinterested in these questions. They eschew the material almost entirely in favour of the insularly mythic, characters often feeling like pawns of fate destined to restore the status quo rather than agents locked in a conflict, fighting for a new world among the ashes of the old. Lucas’ original three films also shared this disinterest, hence the collective balking at the prequels’ hard tonal shift, but they rarely, if ever, gestured otherwise.

And if I’m being honest, it’s difficult to envision what a multi-billion dollar tentpole media product from the Disney corporation that attempts to engage with such questions in any substantive way even looks like. Perhaps, in the end, it was for the better that the sequel trilogy bent back on itself in an ideological loop. Perhaps the box should have stayed closed for good. Perhaps this is a failure of imagination on my part. Perhaps in a better world where the call had gone to just about anyone other than Colin Trevorrow, Derek Connolly, JJ Abrams, or Chris Terrio, we might have the answers.

The Scavenger​

Scavenger

So, in lieu of any overarching materialistic themes, questioning of power structures, subversion of the series’ mytho-religious template, or interest in a wider political scope, what remains is the turbulent internality of our two main characters: Rey Skywalker and Ben Solo. Integral to their stories are the aforementioned reverence for the events and characters of the original trilogy, as well as broad thematic notions of belonging and familial attachment.

Some may argue that metatext is nothing but “pure laziness,” and there is an undeniable ubiquity to the Found Family theme in modern pop culture. But Star Wars has always been built on archetypes, and the zest with which the new cast took to their roles, coupled with a ready-made formula of industrial light and magic and John Williams’ pleasantly heavy-handed romantic score, makes it all just about work.

Rey’s meandering quest to find meaning in life and belonging in the galaxy, looking to Luke Skywalker and the Jedi for both, is the rails on which the whole cart rides. Grappling with the Jedi order’s legacy and how it became interpreted by later generations becomes central to Rey’s journey, and Luke’s. The Jedi shunned “emotional attachment” for fear it could lead one to moral ruin, or lead them away from their true purpose as ascetic, monastic, celibate enforcers of state power. Inevitably, their refusal to acknowledge this fundamental part of the human experience led to Anakin’s downfall, and the Empire’s rise.

In both the original trilogy and the sequels it’s this attachment and familial belonging which makes our heroes strong, leading to Vader and Kylo’s redemption, Rey’s awakening and resurrection, and Palpatine’s defeat(s). Luke’s self-imposed exile and detachment from his loved ones, a warped reflection of that Jedi dogma, refuted spectacularly by the end of The Last Jedi, and again less elegantly in The Rise of Skywalker, also serves as an extension of these intertwining ideas about legends and family. He goes on to inspire the galaxy to fight back, and helps his sister Leia in guiding Rey toward peace and purpose.

Kylo Ren interprets Darth Vader’s death not as a redemption back to the light, but a failure to achieve an absolute hereditary hegemony; a Skywalker dynasty that would overthrow Palpatine and “bring order to the galaxy.” His character arc weaves a characteristically chaotic line, torn apart between light and dark, progressing, regressing, heroically sacrificing, and it’s the Vaderfication of Ben Solo that results in some of the sequels’ most compelling filmmaking. Adam Driver also just does “sexy bad boy you can definitely fix if you just love him hard enough” extremely well, which helps.

Yes, some disappointing moves certainly were made on the part of the filmmakers. Arguably among them was the decision to make a recursive and metatextual story of the sequels from the outset, rather than search for new stories, untethered from what came before, free to graze upon new narrative pastures. But that’s not what ended up being made, and among the rubble and detritus of good ideas questionably executed is where we find the bits and pieces that resonate with us.

A New Order​

Order

Thus it became these kernels around which my edit centred itself. At first I began by hacking away brazenly, then carefully rebuilding, adding, removing, re-adding, slowing, quickening, adjusting, shifting, borrowing. All of which still begs the question: why have I made this in the first place? After seeing The Rise of Skywalker, in all of its inglorious, messy wonder, the urge to make an encompassing 3-films-in-1 edit came about more as a compulsion than a formalised idea. It became a space in which to play around with and externalize the myriad feelings and ideas about Star Wars that lingered in my brain (as this manifesto apparently has). This dovetailed conveniently with video editing becoming an increasingly necessary skill elsewhere in my life, giving me an opportunity to learn the tools involved and feel out in practice some of the more intuitive aspects of the craft.

One of the more repeated concerns people have about the sequels, due in large part to the tonal inconsistency between films and Abrams’ “texture over substance” style of filmmaking, is if you step away and take your head out of it all, the whole thing begins to fall apart a bit. My solution? Never take your head out. Embrace the sense of leaden fate, of destinies being fulfilled. But who would even want to watch a five and a half hour long fan edit of three Star Wars movies? Well, me, for one. Assuming you’ve read this far, also you. Other than that it’s not really my concern. Because despite their shortcomings, these films are still inescapably Star Wars. And they are dear to me.

As I’ve said above, the aim was never to excise every single thing I found “distasteful” about the films and leave the remainder as is, nor to “fix” the trilogy. I sought to prune and sculpt the sequels into something that better reflected my past hopes for what was yet to come, my mourning for what never was, and my joy at what endured, all while hopefully creating a final product that is cohesive in and of itself. Billy Dee Williams’ returning performance, for example, is… not good, God bless him, but I kept his role in as it forms the basis for a lot of plot and character propulsion in Rise. “Rey Palpatine” still sorely reminds of what could have been, in another story, but as a final chomp of the ouroboros’ tail it makes a sort of dramatically ironic sense, which I chose to lean into.

Conversely, I adore Finn, who should have been brought to the fore as another protagonist, not left waiting in the wings of someone else’s story. I wanted to see entire films about his and Poe Dameron’s escapades. I do want to see shelves filled with stories about Zorii Bliss, Amilyn Holdo, Jannah, Rose Tico, Phasma, Lor San Tekka, etc, and I’m sure some of those are out there in the new extended universe. But in editing down this Star Wars story about Star Wars, cuts had to be made, and many of these characters wound up in the margins. This, however, is not an indictment of any of them, and I strove to keep intact the essence of the remaining characters: Snoke as a force-wielding homunculus of a cruise missile, aimed squarely at the surviving Skywalkers; Finn as a brave soldier who comes not only to fight, but to live for the people he loves; Poe as a cocksure yet charming ace pilot, learning how to be a leader from those around him.

Iris Out​

Iris

My own worst critic that I am, it’s still difficult to shake the feeling that somewhere along the way this turned into polishing a turd (TRoS), while getting crap on everything else in the process. But for good and for ill, The Last Skywalker Awakens is the result of following my emotional truth wherever it led.

The sequels are a familiar song in a different key, with a new and thumping bassline. Like any other series, they form a palette that grew with each instalment, gradually painting a picture in our minds that became whole only with time and hindsight, hues constantly shifting as emotion and memory intermingle. Memories from before we had the whole picture, from when we were still discovering (whether or not we liked the discoveries.) This is my mind painting. Or a greatest hits playlist with a few remixes on it. Take your pick.

Because Star Wars isn’t just about myth, or politics, or the Jedi, or workaday life among the scrapyards of great epochs past. It’s about the tension and conversation between all of these things. A balance, if you will. The DNA of Star Wars is the history of cinema itself. Deciding where that truth lies for you among the maelstrom of homage, self-reference and repetition is part of what it means to be a Star Wars fan.


Some of my favourite bits that didn’t make the change list: the cut from a disgraced Hux on the bridge of the Supremacy back to the vast negative space of Ach-To. Rey bullseye-ing that final rocket trooper. Learning where and how to place that damn crackling lightsaber sound. Cutting from D’Acy and Tyce’s kiss to Poe and Finn’s hug. The cut from Kylo’s wet glove to Rey’s sweaty brow. The wipe from Han and Leia at sunset to TIE fighters in the snow. “That is a big gun.”

A very insightful read that explains your thought process behind the edit. Even as someone who didn’t entirely like these movies, there’s food for thought here.

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#1466483
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Darth Plagueis: The Canon Edit - A novel fanedit (Released)
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New (and presumably final) version of the edit has been uploaded. Out of place EU references have been removed. I’ve been working on something else recently, a fan edit of the Solo novelization that combines it with the EU Han Solo Trilogy. It’s the most ambitious edit I’ve done and I’m very happy with how it’s turning out. Will hopefully get a rough draft of that by next week.

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#1463543
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Hal 9000 said:

There’s no way that should be the case, knowing my process. But I’ll check as I do the eventual reencode. Thanks.

Yeah I don’t know if it’s my display, but I redownloaded it to check and the grading still switched. There’s another oddity with that scene too. I didn’t notice it in the changelist, but 0:45-1:07(https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yfZcUC2rB_I) are missing. We go from Rey calling Poe a difficult man to Finn suddenly talking about just landing. I don’t know if that was intentional.

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#1463517
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Really enjoyed watching this again. Not sure if this was noted by someone before, but the color LUT doesn’t seem to have applied to the scene after Poe and Rey’s argument. The color grading completely changes between those two scenes.

I’m still amazed at how well the Duel of the Fates track works over the Ben-Rey fight. Every other version of this I’ve seen on YT removes the atmosphere of the scene. Here, it’s not epic. It’s haunting (as it should be).

The puppet show was a great addition. Continues the theme of the importance of myth from TLJ.

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#1461457
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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I rewatched this and really enjoyed it. The edits are great, but I think I’ve genuinely started to like this movie. I think it’s got a lot of heart. I think I’ve also come to terms with the Rey Palpatine twist. It ties into the familial mythic aspect of the franchise when I think about it. The main villain of the franchise is destroyed by one from his own blood. That woman later inherits the name of Palpatine’s worst enemy, the family he’s tried to manipulate and crush for a century. It’s the ultimate defeat. The worst part of it, the horrid pacing, unfortunately can’t really be fixed with fanedits. Most of the edits here really lift the movie though. It adds that much needed connective tissue to the rest of the ST and more importantly, the entire saga. I especially love the references to Luke’s sacrifice on Crait.

I still think some of the additions feel a bit superfluous. The additional dialogue personally stands out for me, especially the Knights of Ren. All respect to the hard work involved in adding that, but it doesn’t seem organic to me.

Very excited for v 2.0. Great work everyone who worked on it.

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#1461126
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Darth Plagueis: The Canon Edit - A novel fanedit (Released)
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Sent!

References to Darth Maul’s mother (Kycina) are taken out. Maul’s origin is presented as compliant to the Canon explanation (Sidious took Maul from Mother Talzin who is actually the mother). Dooku leaves the order in 42 BBY instead of at the end of the novel. Dooku scenes in the 34-32 BBY era are rewritten to reflect. Palpatine’s final words to Plagueis are changed slightly to reflect Rise of Skywalker.

The version I’m working in right now will remove some out of place EU references (such as the Bando Gora and Xanatos) and slightly extend the references to essence transfer already in the novel. In canon, Plagueis attempted essence transfer as he died. Sidious also survived post ROTJ with this technique. Surprisingly, there is already a allusion in the existing novel that Plagueis is attempting something when he dies.

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#1460902
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Darth Plagueis: The Canon Edit - A novel fanedit (Released)
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Guiguioh said:

First thanks for sharing your work. I looked up the Dooku mentions, i like what you have done.

A quick feedback, i think in Canon, the unifying force has been renamed cosmic force. It is something else you could change in the future. ( only 3 references in this book)

I did not know that. Thanks for the feedback. There are some other things that I forgot to take out, but they’re minor. I’ll probably update them in a future update. These include a few references to Bando Gora that don’t really fit, as well as a reference to Qui Gon’s former apprentice.

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#1460764
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Darth Plagueis: The Canon Edit - A novel fanedit (Released)
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PMs sent.

Nope. It’s a great story, but it’s impossible to fit within the book seamlessly. It’s basically a scene in the book, but from the perspective of Tenebrous instead of Plagueis. It’s also written in a completely different style to Plagueis. Shadow Hunter also has a chapter that overlaps with Plagueis, but it’s written in a similar style to the latter novel. You can almost blend both books together for that scene, making it so it’s impossible to tell where one book starts and another begins.

The best place to read “The Tenebrous Way” would be after Chapter 1.

Restraint and End Game are two tie-ins that aren’t included either. Restraint conflicts heavily with TCW. End Game actually fits into canon nicely, but I didn’t include it in this version. It overlaps with chapters similar to how Shadow Hunter does, so it would work to splice it in. You can read it separately for now if you want to. I may include it in a future update.

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#1460706
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Fan edits of Star Wars novels : 'Labyrinth of Evil' edit released
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Version 1.5 has been finished. Additional lines have been rewritten and adjusted to flow more cleanly. Formatting errors in the last chapter have also been fixed. Paja’s feedback about the Nelvaan chapter needing a heading has been taken into account. Now there is a “AFTER THE BATTLE OF NELVAAN” chapter heading. You can stop reading and download NumeralJoker’s edit of the Battle of Nelvaan. Separate edits of the Battle of Nelvaan can also be found in Youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6wTXHBsK4Y).

Restating that the upcoming novel “Brotherhood” will present a canon version of the Cato Nemodia incident. However, since Labyrinth of Evil has now been edited to fit into canon, you can choose which Cato Nemodia incident Obi Wan is referring to in ROTS. There is no reason why Obi Wan and Anakin can’t visit Cato Nemodia twice during the Clone Wars. Depending on how much that novel conflicts with Labyrinth and if they can even coexist, I may make another update of LOE to reconcile the two.

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#1460672
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Darth Plagueis: The Canon Edit - A novel fanedit (Released)
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I had previously posted about a Labyrinth of Evil canon edit. Here is another novel edit, designed to bring the iconic “Darth Plagueis” into Disney’s canon timeline. I’ve always loved this book and felt that it’s the most essential piece of Star Wars tie-in media. It contextualizes the entire Prequel Trilogy and discusses themes prevalent throughout the franchise. It should be alongside The Clone Wars as a crucial section of the PT, regardless of canonicity. However, it conflicts heavily with canon in a few major areas. Namely, the origins of Maul and the events surrounding Dooku’s departure from the Jedi Order differ completely from their canon depictions. These sections have been cleverly rearranged and rewritten to make them consistent with canon content such as Son of Dathomir and Dooku: Jedi Lost. The original novel was also interesting in that it heavily references and crossed over with two other novels: Cloak of Deception and Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter. Since both novels do not clash with canon, they have been chronologically spliced into Darth Plagueis. The interesting thing is that the canon novel “Tarkin” (also by James Luceno) makes direct references to the events of Cloak of Deception, making its inclusion even more valid. Dialogue additions have been added carefully and with discretion to avoid this being fanfiction and keep the edits invisible. The result is a seamless (very long) epic about the years leading up to the Prequels. If you haven’t read the original novel or read it years ago, I think it would be incredibly difficult to spot where the book has been edited.

NOTE: There is still one contradiction to canon. Veruna’s status as a immediate predecessor to Padme is retained. This is because multiple canon sources differ on this. The Queen’s Peril books describe two Queens ruling immediately before Padme. Tarkin and canon reference books describe Veruna’s term as identical to Legends. The latter canon explanation has been chosen. References to EU Old Republic content have also been kept. Until they do KOTOR content, this won’t be contradicted in any case.

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#1460649
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Fan edits of Star Wars novels : 'Labyrinth of Evil' edit released
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Darth Malgus said:

Creating fan edits of novels seems like a really good idea to me! This way we can not only create Canon versions of the Legends books, but also Legends versions of the Canon books. Also we can take the Legends books that contain references to TCW and remove these references, so that these books can fit with the pre-Filoni and pre-TCW lore. For example, we can take the Darth Plagueis novel and modify it, eliminating all references to the TCW lore (Darth Maul born on Dathomir etc).

Agreed. I already see a few folks taking a stab at the TROS novelization. A Darth Plagueis canon edit would be very cool too, as there are only a few contradictions (Dooku leaving the order and Maul’s mother).

To everyone else, the purpose of this novel edit was to bring Labyrinth of Evil into canon continuity. However, it seems that it will be retconned by the upcoming novel “Brotherhood,” which will feature its own version of the Cato Nemodia incident. This novel edit will now be better for those that keep Siege of Mandalore in their Legends timeline and want it to coexist with Labyrinth. That was actually the initial intent and is also why references to the Republic comics and other Legends content is kept in the edit.

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#1459980
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Fan edits of Star Wars novels : 'Labyrinth of Evil' edit released
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paja said:

Currently on chapter 36. So far the additional editing is very seamless. I have some notes on what I feel can be approved on.

  • I’ve noticed that Maul is still considered to be dead. Unsure if this was intentional or forgotten to be changed in the edit.

  • I think it would be helpful to have a chapter heading between the chapters before and after the events of the ‘Battle of Nelvaan’ for the reader to know when to stop and continue.

Thanks for the feedback. I thought I’d removed the Maul references, but evidently not. The Nelvaan thing is good feedback. There is also a formatting error in the last chapter or so that I just caught.

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#1400194
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The NumeralJoker/MechaSalesman 4K HDR Edits Megathread, Clips Previews, and Release Info
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That’s a good point. I think the quality of a individual edit would be more important than adding everything that could fit. Will you be revisiting Rebels beyond the finale supercut? Does seem like that one is a lot harder than Clone Wars to work with. I’ve thought about how different arcs could be combined, but a straight edit seems incredibly difficult considering the episodic style