sunday256

Cut the guy some slack. I don't see a problem with his request. Searching through all the clutter in these threads can be pretty difficult even when using the search function.

Gaffer Tape said:

At work today, I began to have a thought.  In fact, I might have mentioned this here in the past, but I just don't remember, so I decided I might as well start a topic about it, just to be on the safe side.  Alright, here goes:

Everybody here hates midichlorians.  That pretty much goes without saying.  I've heard interviews (and commentary) where George explains that part of the reason he used the concept in Phantom Menace (besides a desire to make the Force scientific...sadly, we can't get around that) was so that there would be an objective assessment that would cause the Jedi Council to take Anakin seriously and to help prove his Chosen One status.  I'm perfectly fine with that idea and that concept.  I just feel he could have done it in a way that didn't seem to trivialize the Force.  Okay, so it's established that midichlorians live in your blood, and the more you have, the more in tune with the Force you are.  I think it would have had the same function in the story without being so difficult for us to swallow had the concept been reversed.  Rather than midichlorians being microscopic being that channel the Force, let them be microscopic beings that are attracted to the Force.  Timothy Zahn did something similar with the ysalimiri:  creatures who repel the Force.  Anyway, the more in tune with the Force a person is, the more midichlorians he/she would attract.  Therefore, midichlorians could still be used to gauge Force potential but be a result of the Force rather than the source of it.

Any other opinions?  And, once again, sorry if I've posted this before, but I guess even if I have, there are newer users who might get a kick out of this...

I have no problems with Midichlorians. So no, not everyone here has a problem with them.

The more I start looking at the negative posts in these threads, the more washy it becomes....

It reads like "blah..blah blah blah and more blah. Won't George Lucas just..blah...blah....blah...everything he does goes to...blah blah blah..."

It's a broken record in this forum. It's not even worth my time. I really should stick to the preservation and how to forums.

I'm done. Thanks for the push.

lordjedi said:

Crygor64 said:

Others are just too old for this shit.

 

I couldn't have said it any better.  This movie is shit, pure and simple.

rcb said:

if u think u can do better, get ur friends together and make a clone wars movie the way u think it should be made!

 

I love this.  Any time someone criticizes a movie for being crap, it's always "go make your own".  Well, why can't the Director and Creator just make something good instead of throwing a bunch of shit on the screen that he thinks kids will like?  He didn't seem to have a problem doing that in 77, but in 2008 he has failed miserably.

 

You may think it's shit, but it's obvious that not everyone feels that way. At least Lucas is staying true to his vision instead of putting out movies based on poll results. If he had done that, then the Star Wars movie that was released in 77 would have been far different.

He's entitled to his own vision, whether you and I like it or not. Hate the movie if you want, yeah keep trash talking it. But you might be better off if you did something more constructive with your time.

skyjedi2005 said:

I cannot believe T-Bone actually gave this film a positive review on his site.

He just lost a lot of credibility as far as i am concerned, even though realizing he is one of those so called "saga" fans and is not one of us.

I would expect to find a review like that on tfn but not t'bones star wars universe.

Not one of us? Please don't speak for everyone here.

I enjoyed the movie, and actually SAW it.

Thanks.

Ziz said:

sunday256 said:

I had some high hopes for this edit, but I was left with mixed opinions. I didn't think everything he took out was necessary. Some things he missed and a few edits just caused more problems with continuity.

This one got deleted after the first viewing.

I've never seen the The Phantom Edit. I suppose one of these days I'll have to check it out. I can't recall what the Ep3 edit was that I downloaded, but that was a keeper.

Well, both of these were done prior to the subsequent films coming out in the theaters - PE was done prior to 2002 and AOTP was done prior to 2005 - so he was trying to predict what was going to happen in the subsequent films.  He didn't have the benefit of hindsight with all 3 discs sitting on his table first.

 

What I meant by continuity was within the movie itself. Like cutting out the entire obi-wan / jango space battle and then not explaining all the damage to obi-wan's starfighter.

I had some high hopes for this edit, but I was left with mixed opinions. I didn't think everything he took out was necessary. Some things he missed and a few edits just caused more problems with continuity.

This one got deleted after the first viewing.

I've never seen the The Phantom Edit. I suppose one of these days I'll have to check it out. I can't recall what the Ep3 edit was that I downloaded, but that was a keeper.

Has anyone ever seen this? I can’t believe this is the first I’ve ever seen of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMeSw00n3Ac

Definitely worth archiving, if it hasn’t already.

CO said:

sunday256 said:

 

Like you, I'm 39 years old and have seen every movie in the theater.

Unlike you, I saw the movie last weekend at a press screening. And I enjoyed it and will go again soon.

 

Sunday256, this movie is getting a 29% ratings on www.rottentomatoes.com.  Now I don't say movie reviews are be all end all, but geez 29%?  That means 7 out of 10 reviews out of all the critics are negative!  I remember the TPM & AOTC got around 60% and ROTS was in the 80's.

As for the movie, I don't want you to take offense, why would anyone our age want to see a cartoon?  Like I said before, this is targeted for kids, and I have no qualms that kids enjoy this, as I think that is great many of you guys can take your kids.

But as a 35 year old guy, why would I want to see some cheesy SW knockoff cartoon that isn't even made for us anymore?  I mean my nephews love Spongebob, but that doesn't mean I like it.  I really just don't get it, but to each his own.

 

 

A lot of those reviews are by disenfranchised fan boys. Media doesn't always enforce objective reviews these days. If they did, you wouldn't see the kind of reviews being posted on the net right now.

There are a lot of adults out there enjoying the film, and yes a lot not enjoying it also. I love cartoons. I enjoyed them growing up and I enjoy them today. Do I watch every one of them? no, but if the right subject comes along like Star Wars...I'll watch it. Dragon Lance was another that I recently watched.

But you are right, to each their own. But just because the reviews are negative doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot. It never has. Every person who walks into a movie theater has a different experience as you already know.

CO said:

I am very suprised as my nephews are huge SW fans (or so I thought) and have not even mentioned to me about seeing this movie.  They were dying to see Indy IV, so I took them to see, cause I am a good uncle!  But not a mention about this movie, as they saw a commercial, but they may have moved on from SW, as I am starting to see the difference in this generation and our generation, we were much more loyal to Lucas then the new generation is.  To me, SW was everything as a kid, it defined my childhood, to them it was something cool they were into, just like Pirates of the Caribbean, Spiderman, Transformers, etc.  As Ben Kenobi says in ANH, "move along."

I have to say guys as a SW fan, this is a dark day for me, as this will be the first time in my life that I am going to take a pass from anything Lucas puts out in a GFFA.  As I stated in an earlier post, I was there in '77 as a kid, there in 80, there in 83, hell I even saw the damn Holiday Special over my aunts house in '78!  Was there for the SE in '97, the PT in 99, 02, 05, and bought every DVD & VHS since their inception.  I saw the trailer on TV the other night, and there is no way a person over the age of 12 can enjoy this.  Sorry George, we had a great run together.

 

Like you, I'm 39 years old and have seen every movie in the theater.

Unlike you, I saw the movie last weekend at a press screening. And I enjoyed it and will go again soon.

I sure hope my son will grow up to like Star Wars. Right now he's just about 5 months old. Too young to take him to the theater, but hopefully one of these days they will release another Star Wars film in the theater, whether animated, 3D, or the re-release the saga. I just would love to be able to share with him seeing Star Wars in the theater.

Thanks for your story.

Here's some interesting info from BoxofficeMojo.com

 Clone Wars initial grading...

Look at the A's...a lot of people liked it quite a bit. But there are bitter SW fanboys out there giving it Fs.

Last year's Bee Movie was mediocre at best and the reviews said as much. Not funny, not really entertaining but only scored 10.5% Fs (see below)

In the end, it's kids and the casual to hardcore SW fans that see this. All of the Prequel haters will likely stay home, but that won't hurt box office receipts. Bee movie raked in $126M domestic. I say this film will break that. Like I posted before, I think at least $150M with a $40M boxoffice opening weekend. Bee Movie did $38M, but doens't have the clout that SW does, and Open Season (does anyone remember this movie at all?) did 23M opening weekend. Rest assured Batman will fall this weekend. Guaranteed.

USA TODAY gave a mediocre review to Kung Fu Panda and look what that film generated..over 200M at the BO. The reviews were mixed.

Critics haven't been kind to anything the Prequels has thrown out for the most part. Just because the critics pan or don't pan this movie, don't underestimate the children asking the SW fan parents to go.

SW will do at least $40M this weekend is my guess. I think it will be No1 at the BO. That MSNBC review is nothing more than a SW fan with his panties in a bunch. Dissallusioned by the prequels in general. He already was planning a bad review before he even saw the movie.

see you auntie said:

If people could post some of the reviews here as they are published I'd appreciate it.

Unfortunately for Lucas I think the most media attention Clone Wars will receive will be from inevitably knocking The Dark Knight from number 1 at the box office.

If Clone Wars turns out to be good well than I'm glad for those that are interested/ invested in the project.

If Clone Wars turns out to be bad then I hope it tanks at the box office like a lead balloon so Lucasfilm receives the message loud and clear that most people are sick of the Star Wars machine (if that is indeed true) and won't accept 3 tv episodes strung together passed off as a feature film. Unfortunately money speaks louder than words and that's the only message that will get through to them.

I enjoyed the movie, but it's not going to come close to beating the Dark Knight. This is an animated movie. It's more in line with the Shrek franchise. I'd say if I had to compare to one of the Shrek films I'd say it's likely to be closer to the first Shrek in terms of money. Probably less though because like I said, some people are just tired of SW right now.

CO said:

sunday256 said:

I saw the movie yesterday morning at a press screening.

Believe it or not, it's quite good. I thought it was well written.  The dialogue could be taken as more modern and earthy but overall I liked it. I think it had a lot less cringeable moments than any of the other prequel movies.

Skip it if you want, but it's really a decent movie.

Sunday256, Lucas & WB put an embargo on all pre-release reviews of the movie, AICN.com was forced to take down their negative reviews of The Clone War movie. 

This strikes me as very odd for a SW movie, as I always felt they were critic proof, and they always make big money no matter what the critics say.  I know from the past that when a studio does this, it doesn't bode well for the movie, cause that means the movie isn't that good.  I remember in 1998, The Avengers movie with Sean Connery and Uma Thurman was not allowed to have any advanced screenings set by Warner Brothers, so there were no reviews opening weekend.  Needless to say the movie sucked, and I get the feeling WB & Lucas are worried about a backlash.

Anyway, we'll see what happens, but I still think anything with SW put on it is a money maker.  Only time will tell.

 

 Well, I can't speak for everyone. So I'm sure there will be a lot of guys who dislike the movie. However, objectively speaking, I felt some of those cringe worthy moments you saw in the trailers are less cringeworthy when looking at the movie as a whole. Although there's some similar types of dialogue and attempts at slapstick comedy in this movie as in the other prequel movies, I think it works better in the animated sense. I actually laughed quite a lot. While those same style of jokes really didn't see as funny in the real life setting.

Take that for what you will. But we'll see. I'm sure there's a lot of SW burn out. It happened after ROTJ as well, so it wouldn't surprise me if this film does less than $150M total Domestic Box Office. SW is getting old fast but I don't think that's due to the perception of quality, but I do think it might be related to quantity.

That's just a gut feeling of what may happen, but we'll see over the next two months what actually does happen.

I'm not contradicting you guys about the whole Jedi Master thing, because honestly I don't know for sure if he's supposed to be or not...perhaps I inadvertantly missed it during the movie or something.

Where are you hearing him being called a "Jedi Master"?

If you are referring to his padawan calling him master, I believe that's out of respect. Any teacher is considered a "master" in that regard whether they are a Jedi Knight or a Jedi Master. Jedi Knights had padawans (i.e. Quinlan Vos and his padawan Ayala Secura), but not everyone was considered a Jedi Master that had a padawan.

I saw the movie yesterday morning at a press screening.

Believe it or not, it's quite good. I thought it was well written.  The dialogue could be taken as more modern and earthy but overall I liked it. I think it had a lot less cringeable moments than any of the other prequel movies.

Skip it if you want, but it's really a decent movie.

yes, I'd love to see a clip.

I don't know about 1.8 as I was using 1.8.3., but in the latter you need to do the following:

File-> Capture AVI -> Device -> 3 Screen Capture

Then apply your preferred settings.

Alright, here's the point some of you are trying to make:

"The prequels sucked, and the OOT are the only SW movies worth watching."

or

"The prequels we great, but all the movies have flaws."

End of story, although it seems around here it's the same old story. It's ridiculous that if ANYONE likes the prequels and the OOT they get the 3rd degree around here. That's pathetic if you ask me. Some of you should grow up.

I just thought I'd pop in this thread one more time before popping back out. Take my response for what it is and maybe you can let this thread just die. Otherwise, I suspect many of you will continue to bash the prequels because you've got too much time on your hands and can't find anything constructive to do. Speaking of which, I have something constructive to do, so I'm going to go do it.

It wasn't easy but using VirtualDub and hours later, I was finally able to get a decent capture to sync with the original audio. No small feet though. So it does work and it's free in case anyone needs to also try their hand at it.

Thanks for the suggestion.

CO said:

Sunday256, I was just joking man.  I think we can enjoy a movie and still make fun of it every once in a while, it keeps things from getting too serious around here.

I know you were joking, but you were also trying to antagonize me too. No worries.

Do you guys think this is from TV station master print?

I have no problems with that line. The thought of not being able to get it on with Natalie Portman when she's obviously hot for me...I'd not be able to breathe either. I'd be popping out my pants.

CO said:

sunday256 said:

 

I'm perfectly fine with the love scenes as they are.

 Love scenes, where?  I know Anakin kissed Padme, and they rolled around during their picnic, but I can't believe I missed Anakin doing the dirty deed on Padme!  Was the love scenes anything like Risky Business as Anakin is the younger inexperienced one like Tom Cruise, and Padme was the older, prostitute like Rebecca Demornay?  I wonder if Lucas has a deleted scene of Anakin singing, "Old Time Rock and Roll" in his underwear once he gets the Jedi Temple to himself......

Love scenes..romantic scens..boy/girl discuss more than friend feelings kinda scene...oh hell you know what I'm talking about. geezus.