sonofjones

okay, to those who are dismissing people's suggestion's as "nitpicking" and saying they're making problems where none exist, let me ask this: was there any problem with not having AT-STs in Battle of Hoth apart from the one? Was there anything wrong with the background mattes of Cloud city and Hoth? Is it not nitpicking to point out that you can briefly see part of the arm for the guy controlling the wampa? Does it really matter that the shirt Han is wearing in the carbonite doesn't match the one he wore as he was being lowered down? Did ESB not go on to be considered one of the most classic films ever as it was presented in 1980?

If everyone is so concerned with preserving the film as it is, then why even bother supporting this edit? If you think the edit is better off with or without a certain change is one thing, but to act like someone is just being nitpicky by making a minor change to one scene is not only hypocritical, but it flies in the face of everything this edit is about. The idea behind Revisited is to present Star Wars in the best possible experience, with the idea that no detail is too small or irrelevant to be considered.

Good point, though audio work is a ways off, and i'm confident Adywan could find a way if he so chose. Also, the idea of adding a more noticable kick sound is a good idea

well technically he already has by substituting rogue 2 for rogue 3 :b but on the vader shouts, this raises something that has always kinda bothered me, which is that it seems the "ompf" and the "ahh" noises should've been switched. The "ahh" sounds more like a noise you'd make if you got hit in the face with a bunch of steam (a sound of sudden and intense pain), and the "ompf" sounds more like the noise you'd make if you got knocked in the abdomen. After all, when Luke slashes his arm later in this fight and cuts his hand off in their next one, he howls out in pain, so obviously he can feel pain.

TV's Frink said:

Isley said:

asterisk8 said:

That guy who did that thing wasn't named because no one involved in the production thought it was important. I agree with them.

 Yeah, I remember hearing Boba Feet's actor (can't remember his name) say that the only concern they had about the character is whether or not the actor would fit in the costume.

 lol

Henceforth, he shall now be known as...Boba Feet.

 Hmm maybe that's why he's known for disintegration, too many people were finding out his real name. lol

darth_ender said:

Forget the voices of reason!  Let's lynch the heretic!!!!  Get 'im!!!!

Kill the beast!  Kill the beast!

 Aw man, not again!! lol

adywan said:

Isley said:

asterisk8 said:

That guy who did that thing wasn't named because no one involved in the production thought it was important. I agree with them.

 Yeah, I remember hearing Boba Feet's actor (can't remember his name) say that the only concern they had about the character is whether or not the actor would fit in the costume.

 oh that scene. lol. oh well, that will teach me to join the argument when i'm ill.

But i do think that the film works better without him being named.

Okay then, no big deal

I am astounded you can accuse me of ridiculing someone else's opinion (which I WASN'T doing btw) when you turn around and call my idea stupid just because it is, without even bothering to actually address what it is i'm saying. Once again, you're being condescending, rude and just plain mean without any call for it. If you don't agree with me, fine, again to each his own, but that dosen't give you the license to be a jerk.

brash_stryker said:

sonofjones said:

Darth Maul could've been the Darth Vader of the PT had he not been killed off so early)

Darth Vader was a developed character with an arc. 
Darth Maul was a throwaway villain with no personality and as you say, he dies before anything compelling could come of him.

So it's a pretty useless comparison to draw if it hinges on a hypothetical "If they'd done it differently" scenario. Just saying. 

 Okay first of all, way to completely take a quote out of context. I'd ask you to remember that i was simply saying that's what OTHER people had said he could've been. Second, the whole point is that it's a useless comparison. Even if Boba Fett is named, we still don't know what he's like as a person, what species he is, how old he is etc. only his name. With Clint Eastwood in the dollars trilogy, we do know what kind of person he is, what he looks like, approximately how old he is etc. so him having no name does add to the mystery. Heck, you could even make the argument that Boba Fett isn't even his real name, just an underworld codename he goes by (which would REALLY make him similar to the man with no name if you insist that's what he's supposed to be).

Also, in response to the whole "real life" thing, in real life people don't use the force to gain inner wisdom, or have droids get them out of trash compactors they fell into while trying to rescue a princess. These are movies. And if that's such a concern, have Han say it with obvious fear in his voice, like Fett's the last person he would want to see, because he knows the type of stuff he's done. Lastly, ANW did this very type of thing twice. Leia introduced Darth Vader and Tarkin this way, should we cut out those?

sonofjones said:

Bingowings said:

Boba Fett is more menacing and cool unnamed just ask Clint Eastwood. 

I honestly don't find that a valid argument, that's like saying "Darth Maul was a cool villain just ask James Earl Jones"

 Eh? That makes zero sense. A comparision can at least be drawn between Fett and Eastwood (essentially a space cowboy with no name). 

What's the connection between James Earl Jones and Maul? I think you're confused.

 Because Darth Vader and Darth Maul are both supposed to be threatening dark bad ass sith lords (in fact i've heard more than once people saying Darth Maul could've been the Darth Vader of the PT had he not been killed off so early)

adywan said:

sonofjones said:

To all the people who are insisting Boba Fett was never meant to be named, one of the deleted scenes from ESB was Luke being tended to by Leia and her referring to  Boba Fett by name, a scene that was more likely cut because it interrupted the flow of action in the finale than because it named this apparently nameless bounty hunter that every one on this site knows by name, and yet insists that he's supposed to be nameless. This is my issue, he's obviously supposed to have a name, but the movie simply forgot to say it. No, it dosen't matter what the name of some extra who only has one scene and does one thing is, but it does matter when a guy who is named in literally every single appereance of his, every time he's mentioned, except ESB. That's like trying to make Darth Maul nameless when everyone knows his name already, it's just pointless. Even when the Man with No Name IS named in the movies he appears in, everyone still just calls him the man with no name. The truth couldn't be more opposite with Boba Fett; the movie neglects to name him, and yet everyone knows who he is. The fact that they didn't name him feels more like a hiccup than an intentional story decision.

 There was no mention of Boba Fett in any of the deleted scenes in the medical bay. Jabba was the only one mentioned. I don't know where you got this one from but you are completely mistaken.

 This wasn't in the medical bay on Hoth, it was right after he got rescued from Cloud City. On the blu ray deleted scenes it can be found.

Bingowings said:

Boba Fett is more menacing and cool unnamed just ask Clint Eastwood. 

I honestly don't find that a valid argument, that's like saying "Darth Maul was a cool villain just ask James Earl Jones"

brimforge said:

naming persons/things for the sake of "recognition" only, is called "fanservice", or am I mistaken?

in storytelling it always seems forced to wegde a name into a dialogue that could also work without a strange designation

As for "Boba Fett", the beauty of his "mystery" is to be nameless, like the reference (=> spurs!) - only if Solo or Lando (or Luke) had a long "relationship" with him, a name was "needed" ...

 I couldn't disagree more on this. Honestly, it seems like insisting that he be nameless is more the fanservice than keeping him named, because it seems like the hardcore fans are the only ones who have any issue with him being named.

To all the people who are insisting Boba Fett was never meant to be named, one of the deleted scenes from ESB was Luke being tended to by Leia and her referring to  Boba Fett by name, a scene that was more likely cut because it interrupted the flow of action in the finale than because it named this apparently nameless bounty hunter that every one on this site knows by name, and yet insists that he's supposed to be nameless. This is my issue, he's obviously supposed to have a name, but the movie simply forgot to say it. No, it dosen't matter what the name of some extra who only has one scene and does one thing is, but it does matter when a guy who is named in literally every single appereance of his, every time he's mentioned, except ESB. That's like trying to make Darth Maul nameless when everyone knows his name already, it's just pointless. Even when the Man with No Name IS named in the movies he appears in, everyone still just calls him the man with no name. The truth couldn't be more opposite with Boba Fett; the movie neglects to name him, and yet everyone knows who he is. The fact that they didn't name him feels more like a hiccup than an intentional story decision.

If you believe he's better off being nameless, then that's fine, to each his own. However, all I did was make one little suggestion which i thought would improve the edit (which as i understand is one of the main functions of this forum to begin with), and some have chosen to just be condescending and rude, which was entirely uncalled for. To those who would rather be condescending and rude, i ask you to remember one of the main goals of the revisited saga is to create an experience everyone can enjoy, not just the die hard fans.

No those other guys don't have to be named because they have nothing to do with the plot. Fett, on the other hand, is the guy who hunts down the Millennium Falcon, takes Han away to Jabba the Hutt, and is thus resposnible for setting up the beginning of the next movie, which starts off assuming we all know his name even though they don't so much as mention it in passing throughout the entirety of ESB. He's not just significant to fans (heck I honestly am not even a fan of the character myself), he's significant to the story of ESB. Even if you REALLY wanna have it to where we don't even know his name, we should at least have something to call him. Name one other major character in the entire saga who is simply known as "that person that does that thing"

muddyknees2000 said:

sonofjones said:

It's the same problem with Qui-gon not being named until the second act of TPM: a character this important and that has this much impact on the plot shouldn't just be some anonymous person. Even if he is mysterious, we should still have something to call him by instead of just "that bounty hunter"

I couldn't disagree more.

Umm okay, is there any particular reason why?

Okay, first off, it's not even close to the same thing. The Man with no name was supposed to be nameless (and even then the good the bad and the ugly called him blondie), second Boba Fett is clearly supposed to have a name, but the movie fails to mention it at any point. It dosen't come off as them trying to add to a mysterious character so much as forgetting to mention his name. He's obviously meant to be named, but you have to have outside resources to actually know it.

It's the same problem with Qui-gon not being named until the second act of TPM: a character this important and that has this much impact on the plot shouldn't just be some anonymous person. Even if he is mysterious, we should still have something to call him by instead of just "that bounty hunter"

Correct me if i'm wrong, but I don't think Boba Fett is ever named in the original film. This kinda seems weird in hindsight, so perhaps when Han and Leia realize Lando betrayed them, and he comes out, Han can simply say, "Boba Fett" off screen just so that this otherwise unnamed bounty hunter has, well, a name. The first time he's named in the entire original trilogy is right before he gets killed in ROTJ.

umm, why has this thread been highjacked into "morbid discussion about how end of the world= the end of Star Wars" territory...?

I agree that no "definite" version should be the one and only one people view in 100 years, and it's great how people can choose their preferred Star Wars experience.

Honestly, I'm of the opinion both versions should be watched and enjoyed for many generations to come, especially since I have no doubt that the PT:R will be FAR superior to the actual PT, so future generations will be able to watch an actual good trilogy along with the OT. After all, Adywan and the revisited team have worked very hard on this project (much as the original trilogy team did) and they aren't even getting paid, they're just doing it as a labor of love. I think it's fair to say such dedication and passion deserves to be recognized and rewarded by having people watch and (for the most part) enjoy. I can honestly say that the Revisited Saga is the first version I'll show my kids, and the one I'll personally watch regularly once it's completed. Don't get me wrong, I'll show them the original versions too (especially if the sequel trilogy is any good), but a) the Revisited Saga has already taken two amazing films and made them even better and promises to improve on the flaws of the remaining four films and b) it's well known that (unlike the actual saga), the films will be meant to be watched in chronological order, which definitely gives it a distinct advantage.

Though, at the same time, I seriously doubt they'll do anything to really help (apart from incidently release some sort of edition in the future that has more material previously unseen)

mrbenja0618 said:

DominicCobb said:

Also there's the possibility, since they're linked, that LFL becomes aware of Revisited. That could potentially be awesome, but who knows. 

I'm sure it's way more than a possibility that they know about it.

Oh I have little doubt they will at least now before Adywan's work on the saga is complete. However, they will also realize how huge the fanbase is, and as a result, be pressured naturally to not take any action to obstruct it or ban it. After all, this isn't just some youtube video that contains copyrighted music, this is a huge independent effort that's brought a lot of fans together, so even attempting to shut it down would be a huge PR disaster, especially considering they'd mostly be pissing off fans of their franchise.

Adywan, how is the process going on moulding the han in carbonite? I hope the situation has improved since last we heard.

adywan said:

sonofjones said:

well, seeing as how this thread has been somewhat high jacked from ESB:R to killing off Lando, i might as well ask, Adywan, (since I'm assuming he'd perish in the Battle of Endor) if he might be killed at the lowest point of the battle to show how hopeless it seems for the rebels, or if he sacrifices himself to blow up the death star, or if you're undecided (or perhaps just wanna keep it a surprise).

It's looking like it will be a sacrifice to destroy the death star. There has been a lot of talking going on behind the scenes and we've been scouring through many of Billy's films and audio to see what sound bites we could use, going through all footage of Lando in the falcon to see what can be trimmed so it could be used in a different scene and, after a few trials, we think we've nailed something that will work.

Sounds exciting :) though i imagine the real trick will be properly portraying the reaction of the others to this (especially Han)

Might I ask how you plan to achieve that?