Alright, there's no room for a debate. You clearly just want to hear only what you want, you could specify before.
I'm not wasting time anymore trying to explain what's supposed to be crystal clear, you all have eyes.
That was an oversight. I bet you didn't see other similar mistakes in my posts.
Otherwise your majesty, don't be so cocky, try to learn my language, then you can talk about grammar with an Italian guy with a modest English education.
pittrek said:
Of course the movies are getting worse with every new release. Instead of fixing old errors they create new continuity errors, they f**k up the colours, they f**k up the sound mix...
Actually old errors were fixed.
As for the colors, it's true they're not as good as they should be, but the 2011 blu-ray versions have the best color timing since 1997 special editions..
If you want to ignore context then let's end the discussion....
imperialscum said: Why didn't they just bring Jake Lloyd in then. As in TPM Anakin was actually the last time a good person and what you call a "pure Jedi". In AOTC and ROTS, Anakin was basically an annoying, arrogant, jealous, self-centred, unlikeable jerk, who on top of that was constantly consciously breaking Jedi rules (e.g. Padme romance, etc.). A complete opposite of a good person or "pure Jedi".
Everything Anakin does in the first half of SW III makes him a good Jedi.
imperialscum said: Well sticking PT parasites into OT really can't be considered anything but worse. For a sane person that is.
We accept your opinion.
You instead should accept the fact that it doesn't necessarily reflects the truth.
moviefreakedmind said:
As for Lucas' vision, I think it had more to do with keeping them current and 'updated' rather than actually fixing anything.
I'd say both.
skyjedi2005 said:
Lucas original vision version circa 1997 was changed twice more,and got worse all the time.
worse...?
:P :P
Anyway, I'm still convinced a "combo" box is the best solution: everyone will stick to its favourite version.
If it corrects a continuity mistake, yes.
Many of them work fine, mostly because they are on the background.
@IamLam: as I said I agree not all he did succeded in improving the flaws, he clearly exceeded in some details. But I do not find the result "tasteless".
hairy_hen said:
If you spare me the revisionist nonsense and dare to imagine that everyone on that film might have worked hard to do a good job on it, even if some of them thought it was a bit silly, then I'll do you the courtesy of believing you are simply misinformed, and that your slight of the original crew was unintentional.
Otherwise, I'll be forced to assume you have no idea what you're talking about, and will be inclined to think it not worth hearing in the first place.
Wow, now that you showed me the truth I feel illuminated.
Stop being cocky because I still see no evidence of what you're trying to validate.
Harmy said:
What about it?
Oh hi! And thank you for your work :)
I was doubtful about preservation of original colors, but Anctu's confirmation makes me more comfortable.
I suppose a good restoration process wouldn't be possible for 2011 versions.. well, I'll stick with the original unaltered versions if Disney can pull of definitive transfers of them.
It that's the case, let's hope so.
Maybe 35mm prints have more visible detail, but what about the color timing?
Among the crew on set? No doubt.
Together with the director also the post-production team and the newborn ILM made miracles.
And by the way, I said they "put not as much effort as he did", I didn't said there was no effort at all. Spare me your facepalm and read better next time.
The ending works without the change as well, but in ROTS first half I don't see Anakin "halfway down the path to the d.s.".. so imho it works both ways, but with a slighly preference for the 2004 version as a better link between the movies.
what many of you fail to understand is that 2011 blu-rays come from old scans, and probably the original negatives are nowhere to be found.
Nowadays a 4K digital scan is the standard, but that wasn't the case when the trilogy was first restored, and at that time Lucas did the best the tecnhology allowed him.
So on one hand I'd love to see new stunning transfers for these three movies, on the other hand I realistically think there are not many chances of seeing state of the art HD remaster without scanning proper source material.
Frank your Majesty said:
The Force is basically MAGIC, not some sci-fi microbes. It CAN guess what he would look like.
It doesn't make any sense. Suspension of disbelieve is not unlimited... you have to put some limitations, and follow a bit of logic; otherwise everything you show on screen, however absurd, is legit.
ray_afraid said: This is classic GL apologist BS.
No, this is classic integralist moaning...
Gaffer Tape said:
But I don't see the real need for changes at all
Most of them were added to fix things Lucas couldn't achieve back then when he wanted to.
Some of them are useless indeed, I'm not arguing about the silliness of the rock covering R2 or some extra creatures on background that weren't needed........but all in all a good 75% of the changes just make the movies look better, more coherent to the saga, and less ..."cheap".
You have to understand it can be very very very frustrating for a creative author (like G.Lucas was, and is still now in some ways) not to be able to get his work the way he wanted. It's a struggle many director have to face, but for Lucas in '76 that was a true nightmare: i think many of you know the facts and the making of A New Hope, he was truly the only one on that set who actually believed in what he was doing. Everyone else, actors included, thought they were working on a poor bad b-movie and put not as much efforts as he did.
I'm a fan since 90's but I can't share all this absolute rejection and criticism towards Lucas works. As a matter of fact every thing he did after 1983 (new movies, changes to the old ones...) was never judged clearly and impartially.
Anyway I want to believe there can be a compromise, and maybe one day we will see new 4K transfers of these 3 movies in blu-ray, with both version of them in every disc.
And I replied a hundred times with a simple explanation:
the Force CANNOT guess how a 43 year old Anakin would have looked without burns and wounds.
And yes, Anakin redeemed himself, but by that time he was a corrupted man who got back on the good path before dying. So his spirit shows the look he actually had when he was a pure Jedi.
And c'mon... do you seriously Luke wouldn't feel his father? Even with a younger look?
Frankly my only issue with this scene is not the change itself (which I find perfectly logical, from a narrative point of view), but the making.
Lucas could have shot new takes with Hayden instead of using old takes and replacing Shaw's head only.
All the critics and complaints are pointless, when Anakin dies he gets back to the light side of the force, and guess which look he had last time he was a true jedi...