"non-relevant films" ...."optional" back-story??
I wonder why we are even discussing...........
By the way, there are references to the PT in the 1997 versions too (celebrations in the ROTJ finale, remember?).
You didn't just say you like those versions, you said they're the right ones, while the other ones are rubbish.
AntcuFaalb said:
slask said:
I agree, but '11 versions need remasters too...
In what way? Isn't the '90s-looking CGI, waxy DNR look, and terrible color grading all part of GL's original vision for Star Wars?
There is no "90's-looking" CGI in the '11.. nor DNR. The problem of those blu-rays are the old masters. Lucas had them scanned years ago, they would benefit from a new 4k scan for sure.
AntcuFaalb said:
slask said:
I will.
But then tell mr. know-it-all to respect everyone's opinion, and not to call ignorant or childish the ones who don't think like him.
You do know that SilverWook is a mod, right?
I was talking about imperialscum.
I will.
But then tell mr. know-it-all to respect everyone's opinion, and not to call ignorant or childish the ones who don't think like him.
imperialscum said
That's not how it went. You asked me why do I care for 1997 SE. I gave you my reason. And then you told me that "SW is what is creator says it is" and that I should "just get over it". So basically you told me (in a classic childish Lucas-gusher manner) to submit to Lucas and his attempt to erase other versions from the history.
My manner was childish?
Said the guy whining with foolish denial: 1997 versions are the best edition of the trilogy "becuse it is not infested with PT parasites". I'm waiting to hear you say "Lucas you evil, you ruined my childhood".
It is childish to pretend that a version you don't like doesn't exist, or worse to say that the one you like is the "proper one", without any objective reason.
I want the classic trilogy in its best representation, which is a proper HD transfer struck from appropriate digital scan, and I want it for BOTH the original and the 2011, not just for an intermediate version which was improved twice. Future blu-ray releases should please all fans, not just retro-fags like you.
AntcuFaalb said:
Simple solution: Blade Runner 'em. Release the original, '97, '04, and '11 versions of the movie. The '04 and '11 versions really don't need any extra work done in order to be included.
A few more BDs will drive the price up, but Star Wars fans are pretty reliable when it comes to purchasing Star Wars sets of just about any price, so this doesn't matter too much.
I agree, but '11 versions need remasters too...
where exactly did I say that the original theatrical versions shouldn't be released?
I said that AT LEAST both the original and the 2011 editions must be in a new remastered box set.
And I told mister imperialscum that is pointless to say that "1997 are the only proper special edition". They're not.
Do you get it now??
imperialscum said:
slask said:
imperialscum said:
slask said:
Why do you care so much about the '97 SE?
Because it is the only proper (self-contained) special edition of the trilogy at the moment. Because it is not infested with PT parasites.
Just serious answers, please.
It is very serious. You just don't get the point.
No, you don't get this: SW is not only what you want think it is. There are and there will always be different editions, and they're not as bad as you desperately want them to be. Just get over it
imperialscum said:
slask said:
Why do you care so much about the '97 SE?
Because it is the only proper (self-contained) special edition of the trilogy at the moment. Because it is not infested with PT parasites.
Just serious answers, please.
Why do you care so much about the '97 SE?
Handman said:
slask said:
@Handman: i just noticed... you think Aliens blu-ray is ridicolous??
Oh my.......... That list at the bottom of the page is pure nonsense. Recommending (crappy) dvds or (mediocre) first releases for The Terminator and Raiders of the Lost Ark is a crime.
Not liking/approving revisionism is one thing, seeing orange and teal everywhere is obsession. Besides, the guy makes a clumsy mix of dnr issues and color timing...
New digital scans may surprise people who are like "I remember exactly the original look of the movie back when I watched it in theatre, 30 years ago"... but I guess these guys also remember if the projection was right balanced, or if the print for that screening was in good shape, right? So much modesty.....
I trust the director and the pristine quality of their supervised new transfers, rather than overrated photographic memory. I have a message for all those people out there: memory is like an old dvd or vhs, it can LIE.
poor XavierBC...
@Handman: i just noticed... you think Aliens blu-ray is ridicolous??
From 1997 to 2011 many other issues were fixed.
Wazzles said:Why?
Dated cgi would look awful. Imagine the 1997 Jabba in HD...
The right to choose imho must be preserved.
We were talking about Blade Runner before, which is a fine example: I love the final cut, and to me is the best version of the movie, but I wanted the chance to watch the original cut whenever I want.
It's the same with Star Wars, movies I love so much I'd watch all the different versions.
You don't represent all the fans and buyers ;)
I'd be happy with a straight boxset too: just first versions (original theatrical) and last versions (2011 blu-ray).
No halfway points (actually 1997 SE wouldn't look so good in HD).
Handman said:Heck, the only two I consider historically important are the originals and the '97 SEs (or in Star Wars' case, the '77, '81, and '97 cuts). The '04 and '11 cuts are virtually identical, only seen in a home video release, and does anyone even want those?
1997 are historycally important, but many of the first changes are awful (see the cgi jabba). 2011 are the best among the edited editions, they completed tecnhical adjustments and improved rough '97 cgi.
And I want them for sure.
I agree, every version of the movies should be available.
Perfect release?
A 6 disc box set:
- 3 discs with the definitive 2011 editions
- 3 discs with the Theatrical and Special editions in seamless branching
Actually better not consider the 2004 dvd, they're just a prototype of the 2011...
I'd just remove some little things, and "improve some improvements" on the 2011 bd versions. Then they'd be perfect.
1) 2011 definitive edition
2) theatrical
3) 2004
4) Special edition
Just wait until December... promotion for the upcoming movie will be huge. I
edit.
As I said, I won't waste time anymore, that reply itself proved exactly what I was saying in the other topic...
imperialscum said: Because I don't like it.
Aaaaaalright...
Lightsaber colors are still wrong in some frames, but more clear in many other ones.
As for Christensen, why should they change it back? Actually they should just improve it, but I doubt Christensen would be called just for some reshoots.
Every version of the movies should be released, that's for sure.
I didn't mean to take it too seriously, sorry if i gave that impression...
I guess fans are destined to argue again and again over this goddamn saga :)
I don't like every choice taken by Lucas, but after so many viewings I learnt to enjoy all six movies, in every form, without too much complaints. I just love too much this mythology.
2011 blu-rays are fine to me, and clearly the best we got by now. I just hope new transfers will be done as soon as possible.