sidshady12

I agree with sherlock. While what was shown was a rough cut, still, the placement of a spaceship establishing shot there seems unnecessary and the transition to it is really quick. Best to leave it untouched. I’m not necessarily saying it was perfect in the original, but in general, I kind of get the feelings that changing certain things are trying to fix things that aint broken

He does say my friends though, just gotta listen it a bit louder maybe, sounds good to me!

Cinefy said:

sidshady12 said:

I think that new vader castle shot is very cool but it could use some work, the branches seem to moving all in unison with the wind. It makes it look like a 2d layer/a little cartoony, because in real life you’d expect to see each branch move slightly differently in distance and speed depending on their ‘volume.’ I think it’s a really ambitious thing to pull off to make an entire new digital shot, so other than that, since it’s a quick shot I think everything in the background is fine and looks good enough, especially the castle itself which looks amazing.

I was thinking it would only be used for a couple seconds in the sequence; you can’t really see tree slant unless it plays for entirety, Gonna test out Tie’s and possibly some small hints of the planets volcanic past using either fire, small lava burst or smoke plumes.

Exactly, that’s the magic of quick shots, but I was just analyzing it in full detail. Maybe reduce the trees a bit and add the TIEs, or even like Hal said, some camera movement could do a lot, but that might be too hard.

I think that new vader castle shot is very cool but it could use some work, the branches seem to moving all in unison with the wind. It makes it look like a 2d layer/a little cartoony, because in real life you’d expect to see each branch move slightly differently in distance and speed depending on their ‘volume.’ I think it’s a really ambitious thing to pull off to make an entire new digital shot, so other than that, since it’s a quick shot I think everything in the background is fine and looks good enough, especially the castle itself which looks amazing.

Milltastic said:

sidshady12 said:

Kaytwo said:

Really impressed at the quality of this edit. I’m glad I found this as I had previously assumed that the Maple edit was the highest quality project. Well done! :]

Thank you, that means a lot!

Also it’s time… This week, final version with subtitles and commentary. Not gonna promise a certain day but it’ll come. Finished recording part 1 commentary so far.

(EDIT) Sorry, I cannot wrap my head around this quotation system.

Back on topic; super excited to hear that I could potentially enjoy this movie with subtitles this weekend!

One thing that I wish was in the original book, so that it could also be included in this version, is the dialogue between Galadriel and Ganfalf about Bilbo and the everyday deeds of kindness. It would be truly beautiful if only the audio of the dialogue, starting with “Mithrandir… Why the halfling?”, played in the background of some mundane scene of Bilbo and his journey.

By the way the subtitles are released in the download folder. (Still need to upload the version with them combined into the mkv but that’s not really pressing, you can add them yourself with VLC for example)

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed.

exitzero said:

EvantheKidDS said:

I do have another question. Concerning that Adywan doesn’t intend to re-use footage from ESB and ROTJ, will those sequences be recreated from scratch? (New CGI-Recreation)?

(Edit: I just re-watched ESB:R and, I have two more questions.)

• I’ve noticed on the changes sheet that, the TIE Fighters were going to be color-changed to blue.
  But, I’ve seen a photo gallery of changes from May 2009, saying that the TIE Fighters were going
  to remain gray to add consistency from ANH:R. Are the TIE Fighters really gray or blue, what ever
  color they are are they going to remain?

• Adding on to re-watching ESB:R, I’ve also noticed that the video format/dimensions were 2.35:1.
  CinemaScope Format, a real win for me (I’ve grown to like that format). Will that remain in the
  upscale of ESB:R, ANH:RHD, and ROTJ:R?

Tie fighters are washed out in Star Wars. They have one of the original models at Planet Hollywood in Florida- they were blue.

Well one of the original models could still be from ESB or ROTJ. I’ve always read that due to technology
(working with bluescreens) they had to make the models grey in a New Hope. Then as things advanced, they were able to make the models blue in the later movies. I’m no expert though maybe that’s just urban legends, regardless, I think blue is the way to go.

Yeah i’m with Hal on this for the Tie sound effects, that just makes the most sense to me from an editing point of view. Panning left to right the entire shot seems a little too distracting and then it gets repetive when we have 4 shots in a row of Tie fighter panning. Splitting it up is good, it’s fine to just have a lava establishing shot. Having the tie start to fade in early could be neat though I’d have to hear it first, but not during the whole thing.

Anyways, I think it’s honestly coming down to personal preference on the 3 vs 2 shot versions, because (trying to be neutral) both work and it seems like we’re starting to confuse objective vs subjective critiques.

Is there anything else though in the meantime to discuss, test shots, etc?

Oh I was wrong, u did mean the lava shot. In that case I think it’s okay to not have it because we can’t see any Ties, if anything, near the end of the lava shot, we should hear Tie fighter sound start building up if you really want, then boom, cut to shot of them at Vaders castle, and the audio continues panning the same. Either that or no Tie sound on lava shot IMHO.

Hal 9000 said:

^sherlock, what pan do you speak of? You mean you’d like to hear TIEs during the lava shot?

I believe he means in the forest shot, I mean I can hear the panning, but I think he means he wants it to be amplified, so like no tie fighter on the right ear at first, then it fades over. But maybe that’s just the stereo mix on Vimeo with the center channel ruining the panning. And of course, the shot is more of the Tie fighters going left to right AND moving away from the camera, so it shouldnt just be a blanket left->right effect, its also fading away with distance in volume. I think it’s good though with those things considered.

Burbin said:

Hal 9000 said:

Here’s the ‘Burbin’ version to consider, too: https://vimeo.com/529837651

I don’t think flipping the shot works, whether it is for this version or the three shot version. The focal point of that shot is the lava flow so it’s disorienting to flip around to the right since the previous shot has our attention on the left side of the frame, with TIEs flying onward, the contour of the planet and SD (with the flow of the lava on the left it almost mirrors the contour of the planet in the previous shot so it fits really well), and whether we cut to the TIEs flying over the castle or the forest, the focal point would switch back to the left again. Don’t know if I’m making sense…

And besides for this version it makes more sense for the lava to be on the left and the forest to the right, since the TIEs in the next shot move ‘right’ into the forest. Otherwise, unsurprisingly, I think I like the ‘Burbin’ version the best, and I agree with Testing as to why I’m not a fan of the castle shot, it stands out too much for it to work as the second or third shot in the whole movie.

Agreed on the orientation of the shot. I think both sides have an argument to be had, but yeah when I saw the original shot with lava on the left and trees on the right it seemed good to me.

Anyways I’ll be back to check and see what you guys decide on, keep it up everyone 😃

As a moderately long time fan editor who’s not super invested into star wars stuff (only been checking the thread once in a while, only seen the original film once) I have to say both versions work absolutely fine IMO, it’s really up to you Hal, or do a poll.

I think the best part about the lava shot is that you establish close up that the terrain is similar to RotS, but you can see on the far side, there’s a bit of a forest that’s grown, either signifying the planet has changed or we’re just in a different area than where Anakin/Obi Wan fought. So after hinting a bit of the forest in the first shot but mostly showing lava, we cut to the castle shot, and then we return to the middle of the forest.

As for the 2 shot version, there’s obviously one less geography change so it’s more right to the point.

But to be fair, (and no offense, this is totally reasonable in a fan edit thread) it seems like a lot of over analyzing - only us, who know the context, know the edits, and know what’s possible, will be the ones to pick apart these details, which is fine, BUT showing it to a clueless audience you have to think what they would find more visually interesting and better for the story. And in this case, the lava scene helps to aid the whole Mustafar atmsophere, but of course, we don’t want that at the expense of technical aspects making things look confusing for more attentive audiences, it’s really just hard to choose.

ThisIsCreation said:

sidshady12 said:

If you’re going to have a track for Temuera Morrison I think there’s a lot more potential than just leaving it the same, there’s lots of moments where grunts and additional could be added (the “what the?!” for example being replaced with Morrison’s actual voice). Here is my little mock up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJe7e7rVVO8 I especially like at 0:39. the download to all the Boba Fett vocal SFX is in the description. The main reason to do this would be to make his character feel a little more alive, connecting Fett to the Mandalorian show/prequels. But as for the classic version with the original voice, fine as is.

try removing Han saying boba fett twice, it’s the same line and they accidently put it in twice but other that this is great

Oh yeah, that could be removed. I didn’t really know it was an error. I just thought it was intentional, like “Boba fett…? Boba fett!? Where!” but listening to it again I can hear it might be the same audio duplicated I’ll take your word for it. That’s an easy fix though.

@Milltastic I think you forgot to type your message or accidently sent that? Let me know if you did mean to ask a question or something

With the editor’s audio commentary I’m curious if anyone knows how professional movies are panned and mixed. Is it just the original 5.1 mix super quiet with the commentary only in the center channel?

Kaytwo said:

Really impressed at the quality of this edit. I’m glad I found this as I had previously assumed that the Maple edit was the highest quality project. Well done! :]

Thank you, that means a lot!

Also it’s time… This week, final version with subtitles and commentary. Not gonna promise a certain day but it’ll come. Finished recording part 1 commentary so far.

DominicCobb said:

sidshady12 said:

Think about how it would feel in the larger context, watching the entire scene, let alone the entire movie, would you really notice if Disney released it that way and that’s what was official?

100% yes. Sorry. Just being honest.

You excluded the second part of my comment where I explained that I only think that one first line works fine “there’s been a lot of that”, and that yes obviously some of the other dialogue tests were too noticable. I still think the one where she gets cut off also has potential.

But still, I’m inclined to disagree with you. You truly believe that if you walked into that theater absolutely clueless of any edits, lets also say Carrie Fisher was alive, and so when you heard the first line I talked about it would instantly take you out of the movie and you’d throw your finger at the screen “that’s been edited!”? Overdubs and vocal performances in movies aren’t always pitch perfect with so many factors that go into making a movie and they slip through into so many scenes that we don’t even usually notice, for example I was watching over the hobbit and there’s an audible dub mistake when Thranduil says “I can see you know nothing of wizards” where it’s clearly been spliced together with ADR, yet, not a single soul on the YouTube comments has ever mentioned it, not a single person walked out of that theater thinking, hmm, the dialogue recording seemed off, and the only way you’ll notice is if you pull it and play it over and over analyzing the audio, basically like what we’re doing right now. This’ll be my last comment on the matter as Hal doesn’t want to include these but I felt like it did deserve some discussion and defense of Jar Jar, instead of just jumping to “it’s terrible.” Just like real editors and filmmakers (who can’t always reshoot and rerecord), sometimes it’s okay to have a trade off of boosting the narrative and characters while subtracting some technical perfection, but a certain bar still has to be met, which I think is possible with one or two of the discussed dialogue additions.

Yeah I think some of you guys are being a little harsh, listening to the audio specifically looking for what’s different to point it out that it’s “bad” instead of giving it a chance. Think about how it would feel in the larger context, watching the entire scene, let alone the entire movie, would you really notice if Disney released it that way and that’s what was official? Maybe for some of the lines, but I think Jar Jar’s line added to the training scene works well, and then as for the line added where she gets cut off, I think it should just be slid over to the right like a millisecond so that there’s a bit of an overlap. I might just be trippin idk, but it sort of seems like she stops too quickly to let Rey speak.

If you’re going to have a track for Temuera Morrison I think there’s a lot more potential than just leaving it the same, there’s lots of moments where grunts and additional could be added (the “what the?!” for example being replaced with Morrison’s actual voice). Here is my little mock up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJe7e7rVVO8 I especially like at 0:39. the download to all the Boba Fett vocal SFX is in the description. The main reason to do this would be to make his character feel a little more alive, connecting Fett to the Mandalorian show/prequels. But as for the classic version with the original voice, fine as is.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Hal 9000 said:

And now that I’ve been able to actually take a look at the scene where Rey goes to get the, ahem, SACRED JEDI TEXTS during the Palpatine speech sequence, you’d really have to zoom way into it to be able to remove the saber. It’s just a little continuity error. There are hundreds in SW, so I’m not going to fret about it.

It’s hard for me to understand how some people are able to overlook small errors like that without going crazy, but I guess I’m in the minority because of that lmao. Maybe I’m the crazy one.

You have a similar thing happen in your The Approaching Storm edit if you didn’t know. It has to do with Anakin’s lightsaber appearing and disappearing because you removed him losing it to begin with in the chase scene.

Not a whole lot you can do about it without removing even more stuff (or doing some insane VFX).

You have to remember when you watch a movie it’s for entertainment and you’re not out to analyze every little detail and pick it apart. Even regular movies without being fan-edited contain dozens of little inconsistencies and errors with entire websites dedicated to listing every single flaw. So in a fan edit it’s the same deal, some things seep through the cracks that you really just don’t care about or would be too hard to fix, but the alternative (leaving it un-edited) contains more flaws, it’s a cost benefit thing where pros outweigh the cons.

I know i’m a bit late but if you you need to add audio to Premiere and you want it to be mono, you don’t have to convert anything just create a new audio track and select type: mono and then go to your track mixer (might need to click windows) and then pan it 100% to the center channel. Sorry if someone already said this

sherlockpotter said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

sherlockpotter said:

I think the scene would have a lot more power and carry a lot more weight if we allow it to stand on its own, rather than distracting the audience with, “Hey! Yoda’s Theme!”

I get where you’re coming from to a certain extent, but 2 changes in this project include music from the prequels (3PO and R2 theme, ROTS Palpatine as he drains dyad). It would be a shame IMO to not include such an iconic piece from the originals. Even if you remove the music, the scene is still an overt reference to Yoda. You can’t undo that. For me, I really enjoy the music there. It shows how far Luke Skywalker has come; he has taken the place of Yoda.

Yeah, I get the justification for the scene, but I think there are more reasons against using it than for it. Besides, this shouldn’t be a question of “We’ve included ‘music from the prequels’”; it doesn’t matter that it was “an iconic piece from the originals.” There’s no checklist for “pieces that we can bring back.” I’m looking at it from what suits this scene, this film, this trilogy, the best. Rey has no connection to Yoda, and this moment is about her. Luke did have a connection to Yoda, which is why Yoda (and his theme) were brought back for his arc in TLJ. But his arc is done. The scene is supposed to be about Rey. Not Luke, and certainly not Yoda.

Look, this isn’t just my opinion. This is John Williams’s. John Williams himself didn’t intend to put Yoda’s Theme into the film; the stupid music editor was the one who wanted it.

So unless y’all think that you know how to score a Star Wars movie better than John Williams…

EDIT: To be clear, I’m just arguing my viewpoint. I can only speak for myself (and John Williams, apparently); I begrudge no one who still wants to leave it in the film.

I’m sure the majority of people that watched the movie enjoyed hearing the theme as a nice call back to the original trilogy. I think there’s an argument to be had that it could work either way. But the original composer’s opinion isn’t the one to always die for, putting the music and movie together is all a collaborative effort, just because the director/editor had it to go a different direction doesn’t mean they’re automatically idiots.

EDIT sorry looks like this was an old reply didn’t notice.

Jackpumpkinhead said:

Just checking, is the newest version on your site now?

Yes, but technically no. I’m updating the link one more time this month (when I will be on spring break) so that the MKV will include built in Subtitles, Chapter Markers, and Editor’s Audio Commentary. I also got a hold of the Theatrical footage so I was able to tweak 2 or 3 transitions (Instead of working around the extended footage, I was easily able to just swap in the theatrical with no meddling, which is a nice cherry on top). So if you want that complete final package wait till then. It wil be announced on my site’s “update log,” but the one up right now is basically the newest version, for casual viewing purposes.

And for anyone else following this thread, once that “final digital version” is published, I can then work on getting the Blu-ray files up, which will take some time, but not too long. Already have the menus set up just need to build & upload. So close… Getting hyped https://i.imgur.com/ToiUIuP.png

All that said, now is the time for any final feedback, as I have yet to export the project again!

Milltastic said:

Love your work!

While searching for that perfect edit of that terrible trilogy, I found M4’s fan edit, and my goodness, it is the best one by far.

Since my girlfriend and I are from Sweden, we are very much dependant on subtitles to truly enjoy this movie. The one in M4’s Google Drive is an old version and there are no inbuilt subtitles in the current version.

When can we expect the updated subtitles?

Also, 5.1 DTS-HD Master Audio is not supported by Samsung Smart TVs. I currently must play the movie on VLC on my MacBook Pro and connect it to the TV by HDMI, instead of playing the movie directly from my external hard drive. Any chance to upload a version with an audio codec supported by Samsung TVs?

Thank you!! And yes you are totally in luck for both of your questions. When I released the update of the edit I just wanted to get it out there so people could watch but the file was rather empty with other content, but soon (1-2 weeks?) I will be reuploading it with subtitles, chapters, an alternate AAC or AC3 audio track (I should research what’s the most compatible), and I’ll even include an editors audio commentary. It will all be bundled in the MKV, do you think you can change the audio track with the way you watch? Because VLC let’s you switch. Oh also, if you want, my friend who made the subtitles is from Sweden and so I believe he will also have a Swedish copy of the subtitles, which if so, It’ll also be bundled in with the MKV.

Digital alterations preview - https://youtu.be/Gm2CDRDPJmU

Final notes on split between parts - I will be renaming it say “Intermission” in the gold-wavy LOTR font, while the disc version will obviously just have the disc split here.

What’s left? - Final rewatch for my own sake, then uploading, expected sometime this week

Poll for half way transition format
https://www.strawpoll.me/42635841

#1 - https://youtu.be/cC6F8QUwbxw
#2 - https://youtu.be/W0LnBzsa6WM

Once a format is decided, either quick transition or long intermission, THEN I will work to perfect that method. For example, if the long black screen intermission format wins, then I will experiment with what I should write, whether it should just be “Intermission” or something else. If the short black screen transition wins, then I will test around with ways to do that.

Also remember, the disc version (my preferred way of watching) will always have the insert next disc screen, this poll is only for the digital version.

(Not sure if double posting is allowed but I wanted to make this separate)