Blu-ray ISOs are finished! (And art)
Unfortunately, downloading both parts will run you up by 70GB or so, but it’s worth it to get the max HD and all the bonus content packed onto the discs. So of course, there will always be smaller digital file downloads, but I know some of you out there have blu-ray burners and like to have physical copies still 😃
No problem! This is fine to talk about here, there aren’t many Hobbit threads plus it relates to mine.
In my edit, from what I remember I changed 3 subtitles:
The first two were shots which already had subtitles so I had to crop them out. I upscaled the scene by the absolute minimum I had to in order to get the old subtitle off the screen. This involves moving the location of the shot (you slide it down a little bit, so only the bottom part is cut off, and upscale to remove any black spaces). Once upscaled, I tidied up the shot to make sure it still looked good by using a sharpen effect. They were only like 3 seconds long so really quick, if you handle your source files well and export at a good bitrate an audience won’t ever be able to tell that the picture quality is slightly different in a few quick shots (because of the upscale, it can reduce quality slightly), but if you do it all the time or have really detailed shots that last a long time they may start to notice. I can’t even notice myself and I made the edits lol, so don’t worry too much about quality as long as you do your best.
The other time I simply used a new shot without a subtitle and added a fresh subtitle on top so no upscaling required. It was a shot of the Orcs marching and I added Azog yelling during it, and then I could write whatever I wanted. This option is much better but can only be used in rare situations if you get lucky.
I don’t recommend redubbing entire scenes though it can get messy with the blocking if you upscale, so I tried to do it only when I had to. Also, the font is ITC Weidemann Medium and depending on which film it’s either white or greyish, then just add a slight bottom right black shadow with like 80% opacity, example https://i.imgur.com/E3oj7E5.png
I remember seeing the Maple Edit sometime last year; it actually inspired me to start making my own edit of the trilogy. I’d love to see your version; the summary describes some really intriguing changes! Do I have to get it from your site? (pretty new to OT.com and I’m not 100% sure how all the processes work)
Sounds good, and basically on this forum (and fanedit.org) you can get links in private messages so I’ll go ahead and message you the download link
I don’t have Final Cut Pro, and I don’t have the Film Grain effect. Could applying a super light filter of video noise be a good secondary option to fix the look of the 2011 Blu-ray?
What editor do you have?
The two options are apply noise but heavily adjust the settings to make it mimic film grain ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7P_sSUH9fE ) or you simply download a 35mm film grain “template” and drag it on top of your movie then set it to “overlay” mode (or do the mode Hal did) and adjust the opacity as necessary. So the second method can be done on really any editor as long as you can find some grain templates (here are ones I tried https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1oe-i47Yvb-Q3x0gX4kpPMySkCQmgGCHP?usp=sharing )
It’s was a overlay set to “soft light” setting. I don’t remember who sent it to me or where it came from, as that was about seven years ago!
Ah, okay! But that’s all I need to know as it turned out pretty good in your edit. Just apply a light overlay in the right setting, no need to mess around with anything else.
What method was used for your application of film grain? Did you use a 35mm overlay template, or just very light grain/noise added through built in editing software tools? If the former, would be curious to see if you remember which one you used (Lots of people try to sell them, but not interested in that)
Been 2 months since an update, just wanted to follow up. The final 1080p MKV release is available with DTS audio, alternate AC3 audio, built in subtitles and chapters. There is also an alternate 720p MP4 if the filesize is too much.
Feel free to PM/reply any questions or if you’d like a link.
I agree with sherlock. While what was shown was a rough cut, still, the placement of a spaceship establishing shot there seems unnecessary and the transition to it is really quick. Best to leave it untouched. I’m not necessarily saying it was perfect in the original, but in general, I kind of get the feelings that changing certain things are trying to fix things that aint broken
He does say my friends though, just gotta listen it a bit louder maybe, sounds good to me!
I think that new vader castle shot is very cool but it could use some work, the branches seem to moving all in unison with the wind. It makes it look like a 2d layer/a little cartoony, because in real life you’d expect to see each branch move slightly differently in distance and speed depending on their ‘volume.’ I think it’s a really ambitious thing to pull off to make an entire new digital shot, so other than that, since it’s a quick shot I think everything in the background is fine and looks good enough, especially the castle itself which looks amazing.
I was thinking it would only be used for a couple seconds in the sequence; you can’t really see tree slant unless it plays for entirety, Gonna test out Tie’s and possibly some small hints of the planets volcanic past using either fire, small lava burst or smoke plumes.
Exactly, that’s the magic of quick shots, but I was just analyzing it in full detail. Maybe reduce the trees a bit and add the TIEs, or even like Hal said, some camera movement could do a lot, but that might be too hard.
I think that new vader castle shot is very cool but it could use some work, the branches seem to moving all in unison with the wind. It makes it look like a 2d layer/a little cartoony, because in real life you’d expect to see each branch move slightly differently in distance and speed depending on their ‘volume.’ I think it’s a really ambitious thing to pull off to make an entire new digital shot, so other than that, since it’s a quick shot I think everything in the background is fine and looks good enough, especially the castle itself which looks amazing.
Really impressed at the quality of this edit. I’m glad I found this as I had previously assumed that the Maple edit was the highest quality project. Well done! :]
Thank you, that means a lot!
Also it’s time… This week, final version with subtitles and commentary. Not gonna promise a certain day but it’ll come. Finished recording part 1 commentary so far.
(EDIT) Sorry, I cannot wrap my head around this quotation system.
Back on topic; super excited to hear that I could potentially enjoy this movie with subtitles this weekend!
One thing that I wish was in the original book, so that it could also be included in this version, is the dialogue between Galadriel and Ganfalf about Bilbo and the everyday deeds of kindness. It would be truly beautiful if only the audio of the dialogue, starting with “Mithrandir… Why the halfling?”, played in the background of some mundane scene of Bilbo and his journey.
By the way the subtitles are released in the download folder. (Still need to upload the version with them combined into the mkv but that’s not really pressing, you can add them yourself with VLC for example)
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed.
I do have another question. Concerning that Adywan doesn’t intend to re-use footage from ESB and ROTJ, will those sequences be recreated from scratch? (New CGI-Recreation)?
(Edit: I just re-watched ESB:R and, I have two more questions.)
I’ve noticed on the changes sheet that, the TIE Fighters were going to be color-changed to blue.
But, I’ve seen a photo gallery of changes from May 2009, saying that the TIE Fighters were going
to remain gray to add consistency from ANH:R. Are the TIE Fighters really gray or blue, what ever
color they are are they going to remain?Adding on to re-watching ESB:R, I’ve also noticed that the video format/dimensions were 2.35:1.
CinemaScope Format, a real win for me (I’ve grown to like that format). Will that remain in the
upscale of ESB:R, ANH:RHD, and ROTJ:R?Tie fighters are washed out in Star Wars. They have one of the original models at Planet Hollywood in Florida- they were blue.
Well one of the original models could still be from ESB or ROTJ. I’ve always read that due to technology
(working with bluescreens) they had to make the models grey in a New Hope. Then as things advanced, they were able to make the models blue in the later movies. I’m no expert though maybe that’s just urban legends, regardless, I think blue is the way to go.
Yeah i’m with Hal on this for the Tie sound effects, that just makes the most sense to me from an editing point of view. Panning left to right the entire shot seems a little too distracting and then it gets repetive when we have 4 shots in a row of Tie fighter panning. Splitting it up is good, it’s fine to just have a lava establishing shot. Having the tie start to fade in early could be neat though I’d have to hear it first, but not during the whole thing.
Anyways, I think it’s honestly coming down to personal preference on the 3 vs 2 shot versions, because (trying to be neutral) both work and it seems like we’re starting to confuse objective vs subjective critiques.
Is there anything else though in the meantime to discuss, test shots, etc?
Oh I was wrong, u did mean the lava shot. In that case I think it’s okay to not have it because we can’t see any Ties, if anything, near the end of the lava shot, we should hear Tie fighter sound start building up if you really want, then boom, cut to shot of them at Vaders castle, and the audio continues panning the same. Either that or no Tie sound on lava shot IMHO.
^sherlock, what pan do you speak of? You mean you’d like to hear TIEs during the lava shot?
I believe he means in the forest shot, I mean I can hear the panning, but I think he means he wants it to be amplified, so like no tie fighter on the right ear at first, then it fades over. But maybe that’s just the stereo mix on Vimeo with the center channel ruining the panning. And of course, the shot is more of the Tie fighters going left to right AND moving away from the camera, so it shouldnt just be a blanket left->right effect, its also fading away with distance in volume. I think it’s good though with those things considered.
Here’s the ‘Burbin’ version to consider, too: https://vimeo.com/529837651
I don’t think flipping the shot works, whether it is for this version or the three shot version. The focal point of that shot is the lava flow so it’s disorienting to flip around to the right since the previous shot has our attention on the left side of the frame, with TIEs flying onward, the contour of the planet and SD (with the flow of the lava on the left it almost mirrors the contour of the planet in the previous shot so it fits really well), and whether we cut to the TIEs flying over the castle or the forest, the focal point would switch back to the left again. Don’t know if I’m making sense…
And besides for this version it makes more sense for the lava to be on the left and the forest to the right, since the TIEs in the next shot move ‘right’ into the forest. Otherwise, unsurprisingly, I think I like the ‘Burbin’ version the best, and I agree with Testing as to why I’m not a fan of the castle shot, it stands out too much for it to work as the second or third shot in the whole movie.
Agreed on the orientation of the shot. I think both sides have an argument to be had, but yeah when I saw the original shot with lava on the left and trees on the right it seemed good to me.
Anyways I’ll be back to check and see what you guys decide on, keep it up everyone 😃
As a moderately long time fan editor who’s not super invested into star wars stuff (only been checking the thread once in a while, only seen the original film once) I have to say both versions work absolutely fine IMO, it’s really up to you Hal, or do a poll.
I think the best part about the lava shot is that you establish close up that the terrain is similar to RotS, but you can see on the far side, there’s a bit of a forest that’s grown, either signifying the planet has changed or we’re just in a different area than where Anakin/Obi Wan fought. So after hinting a bit of the forest in the first shot but mostly showing lava, we cut to the castle shot, and then we return to the middle of the forest.
As for the 2 shot version, there’s obviously one less geography change so it’s more right to the point.
But to be fair, (and no offense, this is totally reasonable in a fan edit thread) it seems like a lot of over analyzing - only us, who know the context, know the edits, and know what’s possible, will be the ones to pick apart these details, which is fine, BUT showing it to a clueless audience you have to think what they would find more visually interesting and better for the story. And in this case, the lava scene helps to aid the whole Mustafar atmsophere, but of course, we don’t want that at the expense of technical aspects making things look confusing for more attentive audiences, it’s really just hard to choose.
If you’re going to have a track for Temuera Morrison I think there’s a lot more potential than just leaving it the same, there’s lots of moments where grunts and additional could be added (the “what the?!” for example being replaced with Morrison’s actual voice). Here is my little mock up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJe7e7rVVO8 I especially like at 0:39. the download to all the Boba Fett vocal SFX is in the description. The main reason to do this would be to make his character feel a little more alive, connecting Fett to the Mandalorian show/prequels. But as for the classic version with the original voice, fine as is.
try removing Han saying boba fett twice, it’s the same line and they accidently put it in twice but other that this is great
Oh yeah, that could be removed. I didn’t really know it was an error. I just thought it was intentional, like “Boba fett…? Boba fett!? Where!” but listening to it again I can hear it might be the same audio duplicated I’ll take your word for it. That’s an easy fix though.
@Milltastic I think you forgot to type your message or accidently sent that? Let me know if you did mean to ask a question or something
With the editor’s audio commentary I’m curious if anyone knows how professional movies are panned and mixed. Is it just the original 5.1 mix super quiet with the commentary only in the center channel?
Really impressed at the quality of this edit. I’m glad I found this as I had previously assumed that the Maple edit was the highest quality project. Well done! :]
Thank you, that means a lot!
Also it’s time… This week, final version with subtitles and commentary. Not gonna promise a certain day but it’ll come. Finished recording part 1 commentary so far.
Think about how it would feel in the larger context, watching the entire scene, let alone the entire movie, would you really notice if Disney released it that way and that’s what was official?
100% yes. Sorry. Just being honest.
You excluded the second part of my comment where I explained that I only think that one first line works fine “there’s been a lot of that”, and that yes obviously some of the other dialogue tests were too noticable. I still think the one where she gets cut off also has potential.
But still, I’m inclined to disagree with you. You truly believe that if you walked into that theater absolutely clueless of any edits, lets also say Carrie Fisher was alive, and so when you heard the first line I talked about it would instantly take you out of the movie and you’d throw your finger at the screen “that’s been edited!”? Overdubs and vocal performances in movies aren’t always pitch perfect with so many factors that go into making a movie and they slip through into so many scenes that we don’t even usually notice, for example I was watching over the hobbit and there’s an audible dub mistake when Thranduil says “I can see you know nothing of wizards” where it’s clearly been spliced together with ADR, yet, not a single soul on the YouTube comments has ever mentioned it, not a single person walked out of that theater thinking, hmm, the dialogue recording seemed off, and the only way you’ll notice is if you pull it and play it over and over analyzing the audio, basically like what we’re doing right now. This’ll be my last comment on the matter as Hal doesn’t want to include these but I felt like it did deserve some discussion and defense of Jar Jar, instead of just jumping to “it’s terrible.” Just like real editors and filmmakers (who can’t always reshoot and rerecord), sometimes it’s okay to have a trade off of boosting the narrative and characters while subtracting some technical perfection, but a certain bar still has to be met, which I think is possible with one or two of the discussed dialogue additions.
Yeah I think some of you guys are being a little harsh, listening to the audio specifically looking for what’s different to point it out that it’s “bad” instead of giving it a chance. Think about how it would feel in the larger context, watching the entire scene, let alone the entire movie, would you really notice if Disney released it that way and that’s what was official? Maybe for some of the lines, but I think Jar Jar’s line added to the training scene works well, and then as for the line added where she gets cut off, I think it should just be slid over to the right like a millisecond so that there’s a bit of an overlap. I might just be trippin idk, but it sort of seems like she stops too quickly to let Rey speak.
If you’re going to have a track for Temuera Morrison I think there’s a lot more potential than just leaving it the same, there’s lots of moments where grunts and additional could be added (the “what the?!” for example being replaced with Morrison’s actual voice). Here is my little mock up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJe7e7rVVO8 I especially like at 0:39. the download to all the Boba Fett vocal SFX is in the description. The main reason to do this would be to make his character feel a little more alive, connecting Fett to the Mandalorian show/prequels. But as for the classic version with the original voice, fine as is.
