see you auntie

Well I had to differentiate it from the perfume. Because the "Eau de Cologne" Wars would just be silly.

http://www.cracked.com/article_19043_6-classic-series-you-didnt-know-were-made-up-fly.html

Obviously not everyone believes Lucas' revisionism. Small Zombie/Kaminski reference included.

I never heard that line right as a kid. I didn't know what a "clone" was at that age. I thought it was the "Cologne" wars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cologne

Semi-update?

http://starwarsblog.starwars.com/index.php/2011/01/11/another-1978-father-spoiler-discovered/

Another 1978 “Father” Spoiler Discovered January 11, 2011

As an addendum to our original post about the “Vader is Luke’s father” spoiler appearing in the April 1978 issue of Little Shoppe of Horrors, Star Wars author Ryder Windham recently sent us a heads-up on another instance of this spoiler showing up in early 1978:

“Earlier today, I found myself perusing the first issue of Future magazine, cover date April 1978,” says Windham. “The issue has a ‘Databank’ feature for ‘News Items from the World of the Present’ on pages 6-7, and includes this entry for Star Wars…”

“In the realm of the Wars, George Lucas has approached all of the original film’s principals, including Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Peter Cushing, Alec Guinness, Dave Prowse, Peter Mayhew, Anthony Daniels and Kenny Baker. Noted SF author Leigh Brackett has been approached with the task of writing the screenplay for the big-budgeted sequel. One of the key elements in the second script may be the origin of the Dark Lord, Darth Vader. One version of his life being considered for the forthcoming production will reveal a young, handsome Darth turning rogue Jedi, killing Luke Skywalker’s father and being pushed into a pool of molten lava by avenging angel Ben Kenobi. Darth is so badly scarred that he dons his black armor forever. It serves as a combination exoskeleton and walking iron lung. The second version portrays Darth as being, in reality, Luke Skywalker’s father. After a psychological trauma, Luke’s father succumbs to the darker nature of The Force and allows all that is good within him to die. And rising from the ashes of his soul is Darth, the arch-foe of all that is righteous. Whatever Vader’s fate in the as-yet-embryonic script, the film began pre-production in London in January.”

The first scenario mentioned – the one where Vader is pushed into molten lava by Kenobi – was likely lifted from a Rolling Stone interview with George Lucas in 1977. The source for the second scenario – the father one – is uncertain, unless the reporter was within earshot of Prowse’s comments recorded at the October 1977 Horror Elite Convention (and referenced in our original post).

In any case, that cat was out of the bag by April ’78, although it fortunately didn’t get picked up by the mainstream media, allowing the Dark Lord’s identity — as Kenobi says — to remain safely anonymous until 1980.

Baronlando said:

Apparently Lucas and Christopher Nolan were on a panel last night about important film milestones at the DGA, followed by a screening of Star Wars. Wonder if the issue came up, or if they just showed the CGI version at an event about historical milestones without a trace of irony.

http://www.pajiba.com/film_reviews/george-lucas-and-christopher-nolan-remember-star-wars-episode-iv-a-new-hope-review.php

Some info and typical Lucas revisionism:

the Director’s Guild of America held a screening of Lucas’s A New Hope (yes, for all of you wondering, it was the 2004 director’s cut) with a special, hour-long Q&A with Lucas and Christopher Nolan.

Lucas, as he told Nolan, originally envisioned one film: a bad guy is confronted by his son and earns redemption in the third act. Then, when the script reached 250 pages and Lucas was confronted by a modest budget (initially $8 million dollars which grew to $14), he figured he’d spin the three-act story into three separate films, just like the old Flash Gordon serials.

Jon Favreau was there: http://twitter.com/Jon_Favreau/status/39197449889390592

Saw Chris Nolan do a great Q&A with George Lucas tonite at the DGA theater followed by a screening of Star Wars.

As was Jeff Goldsmith editor of Creative Screenwriting magazine. One of his tweets: http://twitter.com/yogoldsmith/status/39136768368443392

Overheard @ SW Party: Guy asked Lucas what version is being shown- original? Lucas: There is no original. (Was gone b4 1st 70s rerelease)

Whoa. Whoa. Pretty incendiary remark.

It was a large screening so hopefullythere will more reports on the Q&A soon enough.

Btw I am in love with the artical,it is so excellent~~

Good thread. I chuckled when I read who Bacon was cast as last year. I'd never heard of the character prior.

This: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyQb192-CPQ

Now I know if someone proposed the question that is asked in the title my response would be a cynical "Oh to reap the mountains of money from further home cinema releases, merchandising, EU titles blah blah blah to feed George's insatiable hunger for blah blah blah...."

But seriously?

As a production company what is their purpose? I'm not talking about ILM or Skywalker Sound or other separate post-production facilities. Lucasfilm don't produce anything that doesn't have a Star Wars logo on it. I can't imagine they did much on Crystal Skulls that Paramount couldn't or didn't do other than make sure the Lucasfilm name came up first and then sit back and watch the money flood in.

We've all accepted the fact that George isn't going to go off and direct his small experimental films. He hasn't lent his name or financial support to anything since Radioland Murders in 1994 other than the upcoming Tuskegee Airmen film "Red Tails" which was been in production for forever.

Speaking of which what's the point of that project anyway. It's been a film that George's wanted to make for a long time (one he probably put on the back-burner to go forward with the prequels) then he only goes on to produce it, hires a (very capable) director and then after principle photography is over the project sits unfinished because George is not happy with it and personally directs all the re-shoots himself because the director he hired (Anthony Hemingway) is no longer "available" to finish the film. Talk about back seat directing, sound familiar the corpse of Richard Maquand?

If George wanted to direct Red Tails fucking take the job and direct it.

Err back to my original point why does Lucasfilm exist? At least when they were producing shit like Howard the Duck they were at least producing and still some what relevant. Now they just seem like a production line of Star Wars glut.

With all their available resources they should be that film making utopia were some upstart could come get their little film financed and produced away from the Hollywood bogey-man. Well in actual fact those film makers are doing a better job financing their films in Hollywood. The chance may be slim to none but it's better than zero.

I think Lucas may have forgotten where he came from. He wouldn't be anything if it wasn't for Francis Ford Coppola mentoring him in his formative years but I hardly see George taking on such a role. Who's he mentoring - Rick McCallum's waistline. I hear they're doing away with the digital Jabba in Star Wars and just rotoscoping in Rick for the Blu-ray.

I think I've said my piece. It really is a shame that Lucasfilm isn't this boutique film production house, an alternate to the big Hollywood studio system. Based on Lucas' own past desires for something of the sort I don't see any reason why it couldn't be that way.  

edit: Oh sorry, that just looks like a wall of text, tl;dr

^^^ Well duh on my part. Also Vader.

But then again I typed before thinking, in hindsight I guess the discussion was about character history explored in the series (which I've not seen) not the prequels. And I don't think Chewbacca has been in the series and obviously Vader hasn't.

Alexrd said:

TheBoost said:

Alexrd said:

I'm interested. This a character they could greatly explore in the series.

 But every character from the OT that's been 'explored' has become lamer because of it.

Such as...?

Yoda

Chewbacca

And errr....... Tarkin.

I'll preface this by saying that I obtained the PDE's out of a curiosity to see Harmy's outstanding work. They could never be my go to version of the trilogy because they still contain SE additions that personally annoy me greatly. This is not a slight against Harmy I'm fully aware of the point of these projects. I do just fine with Adywan and Harmy's theatrical reconstructions of ESB and ROTJ.

Simply, I enjoy watching the progress as Harmy de-specialises the films and uploads his work to youtube. It's a fun little insight and I'm sure I'll acquire the new version whenever it's completed out of curiosity to see it in its entirety and its improvement over its predecessor.

Basically what I'm saying is that I'm not the target audience for this project other than the work in progress nature of it.

In saying that this topic: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Question-about-Star-Wars-Languages/topic/12468/post/472162/#TopicPost472162

reminded me of this:

Would this be possible, Harmy, to de-specialise in HD? I recall the '04 shot existed in the first PDE and I'd imagine you could whip up something better to replace it. Not an outright request just a curiousness to see if it's something you could accomplish easily.

I also remember the trash compactor creature still blinks but when I brought it up you stated you liked it, so I won't bring that up again ;)

More so related to the Secret History of Star Wars but I was too lazy to find that thread:

http://www.toplessrobot.com/2011/02/the_10_greatest_non-fiction_star_wars_books.php

xhonzi said:

Wait, have you seen Inception?

/thread

Harmy said:

Oh, yeah, for the SE, the original Dewback in the background was removed and instead two obviously CG ones were added. I tried rontoscoping in the GOUT one but the difference in quality was too big, so I reconstructed the original one in HD using a production photo and I had to track the motion of the camera frame by frame. And also, about two seconds of that shot were cut off at the beginning of it, so I had to deal with that too by several times repeating the few frames before the stormtrooper moves. 

Harmy said:

Thanks, it was a lot less simple than it looks though...

You're not wrong :)

Harmy said:

Oh, and here's a new version of the "look sir, droids" clip. I remade the wipe and adjusted the Dewback to fit in better and start moving at the correct time (although that is still not quite perfect but I don't think it will get any better).

Looks good Harmy, impressive stuff. Simple but effective.

I'm not a big fan of the Sandcrawler but whatever. To reiterate what Harmy has said before these are not theatrical reconstructions and he only wants to use HD elements. Hence the use of the new Sandcrawler shot.

Harmy, whats going on with that Dewback in the background? I can't quite remember the SE shot but was that one slightly animated for the SE (as once it was completely stationary) or was that the Dewback you removed that I'm remembering?

doubleofive said:

This thread used to make me happy...

Rian Johnson is awesome.

It's interesting that the press release only mentions Selina Kyle, of course Catwoman (even if not mentioned by name) will show up at one point. Actually that would be pretty cool if they don't call her Catwoman at all. Selina Kyle by day mysterious unnamed burglar by night?

The industry speculation or "rumors" going around when various actresses were reading with Bale were that Nolan was casting two roles for two different actresses. 1. The love interest in a Vicki Vale/Rachel Dawes sense and 2. The other was the villain Catwoman/Talia Al Ghul.

I much preferred the Catwoman angle to Talia. First I don't know much about her and with Liam Neeson's character not around, who cares?

Also who remembers the Halle Berry film? From what I can recall no one saw it. I sure didn't.

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And then in your browser do a word search for *

Yes I think Tobar is cheating also ;)

Re: Tom Hardy

This is Tom Hardy. The film is Bronson. It and he is insane.

Of course he is in Inception which is kind of his break out hollywood role. And Nolan loves repeat business with his actors.

Hardy also has a supporting role as the chemist in the Mathew Vaughn directed Daniel Craig starring Layer Cake. Love that movie. And Hardy also played Handsome Bob in the substandard Guy Ritchie movie Rocknrolla. That's everything I've seen him in.

And as for Hathaway she's pretty decent. I'm not a huge fan of hers but I don't dislike her either. A few too many fanboys derided Nolan for casting "ugly" female leads in Holmes and Gyllenhaal, what will they make of Hathaway? He's certainly not unattractive but she does have an odd look with that huge grin in a Julia Roberts clone sort of way.

But I trust Nolan's casting. She's properly the actress out of all the reported women who read for the role, even if I'd prefer to see Eva Green or Gemma Arterton in a catsuit. Although Miss Hathaway in Brokeback Mountain in that one scene was pretty awesome.

Woah that's awesome none. Much appreciated.

So it's fairly well known to nerds in the know that Lucas' friends and colleagues Gloria Katz and Willard Huyck did an uncredited dialogue polish on the final draft of Star Wars prior to the film going into production.

I'm not familiar with the many drafts of SW, shooting scripts and what has been made available for the public to read.

Can anyone here give me a bit of detail in regards to this? What was the draft they contributed to (obviously the final one)? Are there versions available that can be read pre and post Katz and Huyck polish?

I do know that SW evolved a lot from drafts to screen and I'm curious as to what the difference is between Lucas' final draft, the script that was given to crew and actors in pre-production, to what was shot on the day. If it's very little or simply that material has not been made available I won't bother looking any further.

Anchorhead said:

These same types of discussions come up on the Indiana Jones board.....

 

Indiana Jones message board?

NERD!!!!

Yeah the Max Rebo band sequence looks pretty good. To answer your question Harmy, the GOUT ending video quality looks good.

I could tell straight away it was GOUT unedited but the image quality is above average and the SE editing of the ending is so messed up your solution is probably the way to go.

Looking at OO5's comparison images you'd have to cut between SE and GOUT mid shot to pick up the extra frames that have been left out.

What do you think?

Eh, if I can enjoy the gout with all it's glitches I don't have a problem with this.

I thought it was worth pointing out in case you were not yet aware of it.