schorman13

Well, I can include them, if someone shares them with me.

rnranimal said:

Darth Mallwalker said:

SW: PAL 144053

ESB: PAL 150204 & 150205

 

Thanks! Would I be removing a frame's worth of audio at these points or adding it (in order to convert GOUT to Harmy)?

If possible, could someone post screens of these frames (well, just 150204 for ESB)? Would be a big help, don't think I currently have any software installed which tells the frame #. I found an old thread with a cap of SW 144053, but the pic link was no longer good.

 For Star Wars, if you can, the easiest thing to do would be to just output the PAL track from Audition.

For Empire, do what Mallwalker said.  set a +42ms delay when muxing in mkvmerge or whatever you use.

try to mux to a new mp4 or m4v file with yamb, the try to import into mkvmerge again.

It's clear that the AOTC subs are the theatrical versions, while TPM, ANH and ROTJ were text streams.  I think, if you had access to the original .TS recordings for those, you might be able to strip the subs out entirely with something like ProjectX.  However, as they are commonly available, they're burned in.

Does anyone know if the original .TS recordings were ever available for either the german or british 1080i/p rips?

Thanks CatBus, good to know.  If anyone is really worried about it, they should be able to create the mixes they need.

I assume Team Blu has continued to sync to the NTSC versions.

Is there an NTSC version with the DD 2.0 track?  The R1 DVD version doesn't have it.  I'm not sure about the Japanese release though.

Edit: It appears not.  The Japanese version has English and Japanese 5.1 Tracks.

I could be wrong, but after reading through Harmy's ROTJ DE thread, it appears that each of the three films are, or will be synced to the NTSC GOUT versions.  The final mixes I included should not need any changes.

I think I did see somewhere that the ESB DE 2.0 has something like 1 extra frame at the beginning.  I'm not sure.

For those interested, I have included tracks synced to both the PAL and NTSC versions within the Adobe Audition multitrack files contained in the archive.  If you want the PAL versions, you would just need to bounce the correct track in Audition.  (These are synced to the PAL when slowed down to 24 FPS, not 25 FPS).  

I also have created synced multitrack files for any hypothetical version that would include all frames combined from both sources, if the need should ever arise.  I just haven't posted them to the spleen.

Edit:  The last paragraph really only applies to ROTJ, as the PAL versions of SW and TESB are the most complete versions.

That would be helpful.  I assume it's PAL and would still need to be re-encoded.  Thanks

I'm going to start working on some small improvements to this project and plan to post versions 1.5 in the new year.  I plan to go through the entire saga and clean up any bad frames that are still present.  It seems that ROTJ has quite a few little glitches during the Endor scenes especially.

Would anyone who downloaded these be willing to help me out in finding bad frames as it's kind of a daunting task to go through roughly 1.2 million frames.  I'd just like an extra pair of eyes to help make this perfect. 

I've already started going through Jedi, as I think that is the worst offender.  AOTC should be pretty much good to go as there were so many errors to fix in that one, but another look might turn up some other things to fix. 

I'd also be open to other improvements as well, if there are any suggestions.

I included the burned in subs because all of the sources I had had subs present.  I wanted to avoid pasting in shots from the Blu Ray, especially for TPM and AOTC, since they were so heavily altered.  It could be done pretty painlessly for ANH and ROTJ though.

PS. Sorry that I never really participated in this discussion after posting.  We had a new baby and we were out of town on vacation for almost three months.  I (and my wife) also felt like I needed a break from Star Wars for a while ;)

Can you share some details of your capture, like vcr/capture setup/ audio source?  Did you ivtc or is it interlaced? 

Thanks for posting, btw.

Um, I think I sent you the originals.  The issue affected only a few milliseconds of audio.  I just left a little piece in the track at one of the side changes that should have been deleted.  I believe it was nearly silent and wasn't crossfaded, so it was probably not audible, but it wasn't my "original vision" for the track. ;)  

I can resend you that one, later tonight.

Thanks for sharing Mallwaker.  I'll check it out.  I think we talked about this somewhere before.  If it's CX encoded, it's probably not really worth ripping anyway.  

Update: 

Thanks again.  After checking out the sample, it definitely sounds strange.  There's a little bit of pumping and definite dynamic range compression.  I think you're assessment about the CX encoding is probably right, and thus it would not really be worth ripping this particular LD.

Ok, as I was checking a few things out with some of the mixes for Jedi, I found a couple of errors with the Audition files for the 1993 mix and the 1993 Commentary track.  Since it seems the NTSC versions are more appropriate now anyway, I've updated the torrent and have reposted.  All of the LD rips are identical and should check out with the new torrent, if you've started downloading already.

Mostly complete.  I still wish I could have tracked down the Mitsubishi pressing of The US CAV version of Empire.  It's supposed to have digital sound, but I could never locate a copy.

Just checking ;)

Yeah, I can do it.  Will wetransfer Work? Can I post links here?

That's fine.  I didn't realize there had been a switch, but the Adobe Audition project files contain NTSC and PAL GOUT syncs for every mix, for all three films.  One would just need to export those tracks from the Audition projects.  There are directions in the pdf.

Easy peasy :)

Everything is now posted to myspleen, in 4 parts.  I'm going to update post #1.

Part 1 - Star Wars

Part 2 - Empire

Part 3 - Jedi

Part 4 - TPM and Documentaries

Let me know what you think :)

Well, while I wait for myspleen to come back, I thought I would post the pdf I made as a guide for Version 2.0.  

Enjoy!

here

I can upload to usenet, but I'd like to put it on myspleen first.  I haven't posted anything for a while.  What's the best program to post with these days?

Anyway, everything is ready to go, but myspleen seems to be down.

Yikes, just checked the size for the nearly complete folder for upload size and it comes out to 91GB!!  I may have to break this up into a couple of separate torrents.  

Right now I'm working on some preliminary syncs for the 1997 TESB and ROTJ's to complete the set.  Then I need to create a short users guide with directions on how to bounce tracks in Adobe Audition, to make any changes to the various tracks.  

I'm including a few somewhat redundant tracks for TESB and ROTJ.  I think it's been pretty well established that Empire and Jedi were never remixed the way Star Wars was, in 1985.  Either way, I've included mixes obtained from the various different LD sets, regardless.  

So, there are mixes of TESB and ROTJ obtained from the Japanese P&S set that yielded the 1977 Stereo mix for SW.  There are also versions derived from the Japanese SC and US SWE editions that yielded the 1985 mix of SW.  Finally, there's a version of Jedi taken mainly from the digital track of the first US pressing.  This one has more dynamic range than the Japanese P&S version, which was included mainly because the other two films' theatrical mixes are derived from that same set.

Anyway, I should be uploading by the end of the weekend!

Cheers

I'm still interested, for sure.

I'm not finished outputting each of the finished mixes, etc.  But I should be able to give an estimate within a day or two.

Ok, I finished the 5.1 track for the Theatrical TPM.  It's synchronized with the DVD at each of the side changes.  In total only about 1.4 seconds of audio (44 ac3 frames) has been patched in from the theatrical DTS mixes.  The entire rest of the track is untouched ac3 direct from the LD's.  It's perfectly seemless and you'd never recognize the transitions.

I will be getting the files organized and sorted this weekend and ready to post this week!

StarmanSkywalker said:

If you need proof, let me know, I have it on my UPC DVR. ;)
Beginning with the night before the race all the way to the end.

Unfortunately there is no way to get it off the DVR's HD without breaking the warranty seal (it's a rental only deal) and everything on it is encoded in HDCP.

There are HDMI splitters that filter HDCP and will allow recording.  Most people have used them to record PS3's, but this is about the most perfect example of a time when these would be useful.

Here's an example of one:  here

You would of course need an HDMI capture card as well.