sansuni

adywan said:

doubleofive said:

adywan said:

TV’s Frink said:

adywan said:

jedimasterobiwan said:

sorry but why the silence?

Because i like making you suffer

I laughed, but then I read his last post, and I think you aren’t making him suffer enough.

Well i was going to release ESB:R next month, but i think i will leave that until 2020 just to make him suffer more after his comment 😉

Now everyone will think it is coming next month.

OH SHIT!!!

DISCLAIMER: That was NOT in any way a pointer to the actual release date. 😉

Oh sweet! I believe Adywan just confirmed a release date guys… But it is cleverly disguised in code, let me explain… Adywan used 62 letters composing above post. That should be clue enough… moving on.

TV’s Frink said:

nightstalkerpoet said:

No Editroid, clearly he thinks you’re cute.

You should have added a winky face to this post so that he knows that you think he’s cute too.

No one else as cute as you!
😉

So… no one is even remotely interested or has any input and/or advice?

Ok then… good to know.

So… this is the first draft of my edit:

https://vid.me/pPRK

Like I have said, it is a very rough cut, just as a proof of concept. (not even the transitions are in place. also please ignore it whereever you see Jar Jar, no Gungans will be present in my edit. he will be edited out when I get to that part.) This is the first half of the first movie, it takes about 20 minutes but I am trying to make it shorter.

So what I have in mind is, they hear a report of a suspicious man who carries a Jedi weapon and causing trouble, they suspect it might be a Sith (they find it unlikely, but are ordered to investigate anyway), they track Darth Maul to tatooine and they land there. Qui-gon feels someone strong with the force, he goes to investigate, Obi-wan tells him they also need spare parts. While walking around, Qui-gon stumbles upon little Anakin who is fighting someone, he breaks them up. Transition happens and he enters the bug aliens shop (I am thinking about replacing the bug alien with a tall jawa, there were tall jawa’s in A New Hope and I don’t see why one of them wouldn’t have a shop, they do deal in junk after all) and he says Anakin told him about the place (thus explaining how he found the place), Qui-gon tells him about the spare parts he needs, also asks for information and sensing Anakin is strong with the force, he asks if he can pay for Anakin’s and his mothers freedom. Bug alien is more than happy to sell Qui-gon some spare parts, but not willing to give any information or to part with his slaves. Qui-gon says he wishes to see the parts, they move to the junkyard and Qui-gon uses Jedi mind trick on him, twice and it works both times. Bug alien thing agrees to part with his slaves and agrees to share what he knows, bug alien says, “I will tell you what I know, but lets go outback, somewhere that doesn’t smell like a dump”. They go to outback (back of the shop) and he tells Qui-gon what he knows. Darth Maul has been searching around for someone or something, his droids search the place day and night as well and he is a dangerous man.

Rest will take place like I previously stated.

I also restored some of the deleted scenes as I think it worked better for the version I had in mind.

So, what do you guys think? Could this work or is it a waste of time?

timdiggerm said:

sansuni said:

TV’s Frink said:

An additional month for every question you ask.

Really? How can it take a month longer just because I asked a question? Don’t you realize how ridiculous that sounds?

Yes. He is being sarcastic because he is very annoyed with people asking.

Yeah, I realize that. I even made a joke about it. (to lighten his mood, so to speak.)

TV’s Frink said:

An additional month for every question you ask.

Really? How can it take a month longer just because I asked a question? Don’t you realize how ridiculous that sounds?

Does this mean I already delayed it like 3 months?

Whooops, with that last question it is 4 months in total I believe.

*Sorry, I just had to do it.

So… time for a little update…

For my little experiment, I thought about what could be done with the usable footage we have and concluded that nothing would work unless I completely repurpose 90% of the scenes to eliminate the underlying issues with the movies. This means rewriting most of the dialogue, which in turn requires dubbing 90% of the characters. (Which should be easier, since it looks like I am cutting about 60 to 70% of the first movie at the moment.) Since I am already making such heavy cuts to these movies, I already need to rescore the whole, recreate sound effects and so on. (Which means I am working on a silent movie at the moment.) I suck at two things, rescoring and color correcting… So this will be a bit difficult. Not the mention the problems I am having because some footage I am left with seems a bit too short to serve the exact purpose I need.

Anyway, this is what I have done so far:

Tattoine sequence is about 85% complete, it still needs to be polished since some (if not most) of the cuts is a bit too rough, but it is getting there.

Sequence goes like this.

Intro crawl: (WIP)
Star Wars Episode I -The Origins- (WIP Title)

It is a time of peace for the Republic. Jedi serves as peacekeepers for the galaxy. Reports of a caped man using Jedi weaponry, traveling from planet to planet, searching for someone and making trouble caused unrest. So two Jedi’s are sent to investigate.
Meanwhile the Federation of Allied Planets are making their first move.

Camera turns to Darth Maul’s ship. It lands on Tattoine, Darth Maul walks out and his droids go into town to search something. Scene cuts to one of his droids in the town.

Obi-wan an Qui-gon chats a little, Obi-wan asks “if the rumors could be true?”, “could this man be a Sith lord?”. Qui-gon says that “we can’t be certain, but this is what we are here to investigate, but I feel a great disturbance in the force, be extremely careful.” then they land on the planet. Qui-gon goes alone, but tells Obi-wan to stay in communication. Obi-wan tells him that they could use some spare parts for the ship. While walking, Qui-gon stumbles upon little Anakin, asks him if he has seen a peculiar man in black cape, who tells him that he doesn’t know anything, but knows someone who could know something, then takes Qui-gon to flying bug alien (whom I will replace if I can) they talk and Qui-gon learns a bit about the caped man and his droids. Qui-gon also asks for the parts they need, also he feels the force is strong with Anakin, so he asks to take Anakin and his mother with him as well. He can’t convince the bug creature with words, so he uses Jedi mind tricks to convince him. It works and bug says “take them, two less mouths to feed”. Then Qui-gon and Anakin goes to pick up Anakin’s mother. Anakin’s mother refuses to leave, saying “this is the only life I have ever known” but she wants better for her son, so she agrees Qui-gon to take him to be trained as a Jedi. While going to the ship, they are attacked by Darth Maul, lightsaber fight ensues, but they escape on ship. Qui-gon tells Obi-wan that the guy he fought was strong with the force and was definitely a Sith. And he says “I think he was after Anakin. He sensed what I sensed.”

They go to the Jedi Temple, (but only the bare minimum of politics at this point, which served no purpose in the first movie anyway, in fact, other than the underlying sub plot about how Sidious got raised in the ranks by manipulating people, it was entirely pointless.) they are hesitant to take him in, because Yoda can sense the fear in him and tells that his future is clouded. Qui-gon tries to convince them, but they tell him they can discuss this later, now there are more pressing matters to attend to. Naboo is under blockade by the Federation. So they send Qui-gon and Obi-wan to investigate and resolve the matter peacefully if they can. (or by force if it is necessary) They leave Anakin behind at the Jedi Temple where he will be safe, Qui-gon promises him that he will convince them and train him when he comes back.

We cut to Darth Maul and Count Doku walk and talk. (normally, this scene happens between Darth Maul and Sidious, but what’s the point of making it so obvious who Sidious is so early in the trilogy? So I will replace Sidious with Count Doku in all related scenes. He is a former Jedi who turned to the Dark side after all.)

This is it for now. When I am able to, I will try to upload a very rough cut version of what I got so far, so I can get some opinions. (most likely it will be a silent and subtitled video)

Until then, signing off.

Yeah, actually I forgot to mention, all three will be merged together and it will turn either into a duology or a single movie depending on how much cheese I get rid of.

This is a project I just started after my last one failed miserably. My goal is not perfection, it will work more as a proof of concept. (So… don’t expect Adywan level of quality here.)

My concept goes like this:
It will all start with Qui Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi landing on Tattoine. (Both to mirror OT and to simplify PT)
They were on their way to Naboo, but they had engine problems, so they had to land on Tattoine. (Jar Jar Binks and Amidala will not be with them. Any scenes that have those two on Tattoine will either be completely cut or they will be rotoscoped out.) After they land, Qui Gon Jinn will state he feels a strong presence in the Force. (He will be dubbed) After that, Qui Gon Jinn will be attacked by Darth Maul, seemingly out of nowhere. So they will assume the strong presence was him. But after reaching the junkyard where Anakin works, Qui Gon Jinn will realize the presence he felt was Anakin after all. Qui Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi will talk and Qui Gon Jinn will say “the force is strong with him” about Anakin. Qui Gon Jinn speculates that Darth Maul might have been after Anakin for some reason. He might have felt what Qui Gon Jinn felt. The owner of the Junkyard will not be a freaking flying bug alien, so Qui Gon Jinn will be able to convince him at the first try to repair their spaceship and to let Anakin and his mother to come with them. But Anakin’s mother refuses, saying that this is the only life she knows, but she wants better for her son, so she allows them to take him away to make him a Jedi. (So no pod race, no Jar Jar antics, nothing like that.) So they go to the Jedi Council, both to report about the Sith lord they fought on Tattoine and so Anakin can train to be a Jedi. They refuse because Qui Gon Jinn already has a padawan and state there are more urgent matters to attend to at the moment. They leave for Naboo but they leave Anakin behind at the Jedi Temple. Qui Gon Jinn tells Anakin that when he comes back, he will convince the council and he will train him to be a Jedi.

They leave for Naboo, where the Trade Federation blockade takes place. At this point only Sith we will see is Darth Maul. Stuff happens and they end up on the planet. They meet Binks. (Will only be called Binks and will be dubbed) They fight their way trough, save the pilots, pilots blow up the trade federation ships, battle droids turn off and they save Naboo. (no miracle child accidentally saving the day or whatever)

After that an epic lightsaber takes place between Darth Maul and Qui Gon Jinn. Qui Gon Jinn dies, Obi-Wan Kenobi slices Darth Maul in half and Obi-Wan Kenobi decides to train Anakin himself.

Now to do list:
*About 70% of Phantom Menace will be cut. Only important scenes will remain. (But I will not cut an important or potentially great scene just because it has Jar Jar in it. I will simply get rid of Jar Jar)
More will be added later.

How goes to process of rotoscoping jar jar? (or rather, how do you plan on entirely getting rid of him?)

I don’t think that would work because I think Owen supposed to be a little older than Anakin.

Sheepish said:
I could probably do that, but imo removing Jar Jar altogether leaves a lot of key scenes on the cutting room floor, and it would probably make the cuts far too jarring for a smooth progression.

Unless you’re talking about physically rotoscoping him out, instead of cutting around him. In which case, I don’t think anyone here would have the patience to sit down and do all of that. It took me the better part of a week just to accurately rotoscope one scene of Dooku sighing from Episode II. Doing the same for all of Jar Jar would be a nightmare.

I am talking about rotoscoping him of course, anyone can buther a movie.

If a simple scene like that took you that long, you are either doing something wrong or using the wrong software, this little clip only took me like 10 minutes.

Link: https://vid.me/9xx8
(fyi, originally Jar Jar was present in this scene.)

I have made several other scenes like that, for example I removed little Anakin from some certain scenes. But like I have said, it is time consuming to do it for the entire movie and time is a luxury I no longer have.

xxtelecine 7xx said:
There is technology that can do complete removals now so this is very possible. Please see my Time code removals for TFA del scenes

I know it is possible since I have already done it. Its just that the way I am doing is not very practical and very time consuming for the scenes I am doing… (he is Jar Jar… he just moves too much and too erratically.)

All I am saying is, it would be nice if someone with better skills and proper software could do it much better and faster than I ever could.

Actually, it would be awesome if someone could remove Jar Jar from the entire movie along with deleted scenes and release it as a resource. (so in the future, it is easier for fan editors to put out a proper movie)

dkeighobadi said:
I can’t for the life of me remember, but someone on here was doing an edit with exactly this in mind. If this was indeed you I apologise, but surely someone must have removed Jar Jar from TPM by now?

Yeah, I am pretty sure that was me. I released several clips where I took out Jar Jar Binks from scenes without cutting out the scenes completely. (only one or two survived I’m afraid) I just couldn’t find an efficient way of doing it. Most of the time, background is static, so the method I used was to rotoscope him out of a scene and add motion tracking if the camera is moving. But since Jar Jar moves way too much, it takes way too much work at some scenes.

There are other people who removed Jar Jar Binks (or at least mostly) from TPM, but not the way I want it. They just cut down, otherwise perfectly fine scenes to do it. (there are already way too many scenes to be removed from the movie, I think we should try to save what we can from it.)

nightstalkerpoet said:

This isn’t really radical, but I was curious what people would think about not having Anakin kill the Sandpeople in Episode 2 (or if there’s an edit where he doesn’t).

You can even leave in the Anakin/Padme talk later, heavily condensed (here’s a brief mockup):
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0By9sWLF9s-s6NG1IZWdsa05Wcmc

Even better if you could get the line “Sometimes there’s things no one can fix” in there. Changes the whole scene to a serious, emotional interaction. Especially without the ‘he just killed people and now he’s telling her’ vibe of the original, or even the ‘he just killed people and now he’s hiding it from her’ vibe of most fanedits.

AotC really had a missed opportunity in that rather than build Anakin up to have a huge fall in Ep 3, they chose to say “oops, his backpack split open and he lost most of his supplies”. Pretty much guaranteeing that even if he reached the top, he’d never survive. Yes, we knew the ending. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have walked away from Ep 2 loving Anakin as a character. (Sadly, the metaphorical backpack only had a small split in it and we had to watch his supplies slip through 1 by 1 the whole damn film)

Well, I think thats a fine idea. Anakin was portrayed to be a whiny, shallow and stupid kid and that didn’t change into the adulthood, he sounds like a brat even as an adult (except the anime series, there she somewhat acts and sounds adult like). From the very first movie, he always seemed like he is waiting just a tiny push to go to the dark side, like he was searching a little excuse or something. So, defying the Jedi code and murdering all those Sand people along with women and children was the first straw, but it was far from the first sign of how little he tried to be a proper Jedi. I mean, he didn’t even try to stick with the Jedi way, like ever.

So, if I would have to suggest something, it would be this, mostly remove him from the first movie.

Movie starts with Tattoine, the engine of their spaceship is damaged, so the Jedi lands on Tattoine, where they buy a new engine and meet the young Anakin. No pod racing, no miracle child bullshit. He is just a regular brat who is extremely strong with the force and Qui-Gon just feels it. No blood tests. Their engine is replaced with some regular credits (no “we don’t accept republic credits here” bullshit) and the go of to the Jedi temple, where they leave the young Anakin until the next movie. They don’t sense anything dark about him, they are cautious but they take him in, he is just a child after all. (Also, it would be easier to replace young Anakin if he appears in less scenes. I would replace him with a teenager about same age as Padme, so it is not creepy anymore)

The second movie should be where Anakin truely shows that he is a proper Jedi and deeply connected to both the force and the Jedi code. He doesn’t slaughter Sand people and whine a lot. He is sad and angry about what happened to his mother, but doesn’t seek revenge. This should be the first of the several events that pushes him to dark side, but he should resist like a proper Jedi.

The third movie should be about his transformation, he tries to fight the dark side, but since the republic is already corrupted and some Jedi are simply dicks (like Windu, who was close to turning to the dark side himself) along with manipulation of the Emperor. (there should be several reasons why he turned to the dark side and it shouldn’t be as simple as “oh noes, I saw a dream and I am afraid of losing my girlfriend and this shady dude offered me immortality”, it should be more like, he was trying to uphold justice and just pushed to the other side, he lost faith in the Jedi ways) Also, he doesn’t kill children (storm troopers might have killed those kids though, also Anakin might have killed some senate members, but thats about it) That way it is more believable when Padme says there is still good in him.

What do you guys think?

I really like most of your ideas, especially the one about getting rid of Jar Jar Binks… I think you should start with getting rid of him anywhere outside of Naboo (the only place he serves any purpose other than being an annoying comic relief) I am certain you know about it, but I already did a little clip where I removed Jar Jar : https://vid.me/9xx8

I think you shouldn’t remove Yoda, but I don’t really hate the idea.

By the way, in my opinion, prequels already have way too many camera cuts (camera turns to Anakin, then it turns to Jar Jar, then it turns to Obi-Wan, then it goes to Amidala and so on, so many times) and it feels like so many things happening at once (while nothing really happens at all) I think it would be a good idea to reduce that. Camera shouldn’t shift soooo many times. I think that could be fixed.

While I like your idea about expanding Darth Maul a bit, the scenes you added looks a bit bad, I know they are not final so I don’t have much to say about them. But I think some color correction and several filters could remedy that.

I have been working on a edit for some time now, I have the whole thing planned out and it is a vital part for me to get rid of Jar Jar Binks from the Tattoine scenes, but I no longer have much time to spare and couldn’t find an efficient way of doing that. Can someone get rid of Jar Jar Binks? Just like the example video here: https://vid.me/9xx8

Here is the link to my page:
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Phantom-Menace-REIMAGINED/id/17970
My edit involves changing the sequence of the movie (it will now start with Tattoine like the original trilogy) and Jar Jar Binks really doesn’t fit there.

If anyone could help, it would be much appreciated.

I love your ideas, especially when it comes to Count Doku. I always thought he should have been in the first movie. (along with a few other characters, I had posted some great ideas in the “radical prequel ideas” thread I think.) I have a suggestion though. Could you somehow remove Jar Jar from Tattoine entirely? (lets say that he never left the ship as since he is useless he has no purpose fallowing them along.) And remove little Anakin from the final battle? (lets say that he stayed at the Jedi Temple. Because why would they bring a child along to the war zone?)

That would make the movie much much better I think. (I tried to do just that in my edit but I no longer have the time)

Could you somehow remove Jar Jar from Tattoine entirely? (lets say that he never left the ship as since he is useless he has no purpose fallowing them along.) And remove little Anakin from the final battle? (lets say that he stayed at the Jedi Temple. Because why would they bring a child along to the war zone?)

That would make the movie much much better I think. (I tried to do just that in my edit but I no longer have the time)

Like I have mentioned on another thread, the voice acting was superb. Those Japanese voice actors knew what they were doing. But altered story was sometimes great and sometimes it seemed like a hit and miss. It was good overall.

I really didn’t like flashbacks (they just seem like all over the place) and I really hated Darth Maul turning into Grevious though. Just a personal preference, but those two should have stayed separate characters.

Yeah, this is the thread to think the unthinkable, not the thread on how to make the movie more ridiculous and terrible. (I believe thats another thread)

What you suggest would make the movie unbearable and even unwatchable for the majority of people. We all have a strong dislike for the sight of him and nothing can change that. I mean, more of Jar Jar? Most people wouldn’t watch that even if you forced them at gunpoint.

I don’t hate the idea of making Jar Jar a villain. There is certainly more than enough proof in the trilogy that he knew what he was doing. You can do what you suggested, you can imply he was working for Sidious by altering a few lines and still reduce his screen presence next to nothing. Something this trilogy doesn’t need is more of him.

I had released a short clip where I removed Jar Jar from several scenes. (it was on youtube, it is deleted now) It is difficult to make, but it is certainly possible. I can assure you, everything flows better when he is not around.

Also, while the concept itself is good, why would anyone want more of Jar Jar? Thats insanity. I believe he shouldn’t be entirely removed (as we need someone to hate and he is just that. He is the one who gives Sidious the power he requires to destroy the republic.)

It would be better if we could imply Jar Jar is working for Sidious while reducing his scenes next to nothing.

towne32 said:

sansuni said:
(sand people for instance)

The part where they expertly snipe a speeding pod, but fail to hit a bunch of jawas dragging their feet about? 😃

It was a lucky shot perhaps? 😄

Any silliness in the scene could be edited out, I am sure. Having Sand people would be good for continuity I think.

Darth Lucas said:

I’m for Hiddleston. He’s got the look, the voice, and a wide enough body of work to probably pull stuff from.

I would have to agree. He is got enough footage to pull something like this off.

Anyway, since we talked about voices and stuff, how about this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH9RX7emAI0

How about someone who can make a good young James Earl Jones/Darth Vader impression voices Anakin? (it shouldn’t sound exactly like Darth Vader, but it should like a mixture of Sebastian Shaw and James Earl Jones) I think that would bridge the series further.

EDIT: By the way, I found this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDLM-dXP-KE

It is the recut of the prequel trilogy called “The Blackened Mantle” and it seems most of the story was rewritten. Voice acting is much better (since it is in Japanese and all) and most of what made the prequels suck, is gone forever.

While it is good, it is not perfect by any definition of the word though. I really don’t like the flashbacks thing. (it doesn’t fit very well with the OT) And I really don’t like Darth Maul being Grevious either. (I can live with Darth Maul coming back as himself to fight Kenobi, but I really feal Grevious should be his own character) There are several other issues with the edit as well, but not many of them worth mentioning.

NeverarGreat said:

I just watched the Phantom Menace edit. It’s quite good, though I think that some parts now feel rushed. The podrace could be cut quite a bit shorter, however.

I agree that it feels a bit rushed. Thats what I hate about some edits, they butcher the movie. (but if you do not wish to spend years making it, that might be the only choice) The pod race itself should be cut short and extended at same time. Some of the deleted content needs to be reimplemented (sand people for instance) and most of the race, especially the whole silliness needs to be cut.

They are not perfect, but it was kind of refreshing to not hear the terrible voice acting and dialog of Jar Jar and Gungans. Definitely an improvement.