So this is actually the High Republic, a collection of books and comics set in a new era 200 years before the prequels, with yellow Jedi robes and more lightsaber colours.
Nice cutlist, if it can be done.
I’d leave the kiss in. It only feels weird because we’re aware that JJ and co tried to make a huge deal out of this absolute bare minimum level of representation - as a moment in the film divorced from that it’s not intrusive at all (far less so than Chewie’s medal!).
No deleted scenes for the OT or PT?
I also wouldn’t mind a PM, if possible, if anyone with the capture/recreation is reading this necroed thread.
Another very disappointing idea: Rey not being either a Skywalker or a Solo (with Skywalker blood). Seriously, why have the first six movies in the Skywalker saga be focused on the Skywalker family, then have the last three movies in the entire Skywalker saga be about a nobody who is the granddaughter of Darth Sidious and has no biological connection to the Skywalker family whatsoever?
They’re partly about Ben Solo, who is Anakin’s grandson, Leia’s son, Han’s son, and Luke’s nephew. Why do so much of AOTC and ROTS follow Obi Wan, who’s not a Skywalker? Why does the OT spend so much time on Han’s debt to Jabba?
Star Wars plays with which heroes and villains are Skywalkers or not - Skywalker as a hero for two movies, then Skywalker crosses into the dark side, then two movies with two good and one bad Skywalkers, and a third movie where the bad Skywalker crosses back over, then two movies with a bad Skywalker (and two good ones but they’re old and not the main focus), then he crosses back over.
Can’t wait to watch this (and steal all your ideas for my own edit, ofc). You always find new things to do with this movie! What sort of delivery quality are you aiming for? 30gb/5.1 or more like 5gb/Stereo?
Edit: I like the idea but the conversation between Anakin and Padme about the lightsaber comes across as incoherent to me in its current form (“how old were you when -” “not if they feel threatened”), and I think Hayden is doing some kind of accent, isn’t he? The “yeah why not” does work for me though.
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AOTC and ROTS still have unreleased deleted scenes (scripted and filmed, and included in the comic and novelisation) 15 years later.
Please tell me all about them.
I’m probably forgetting a few but from ROTS there’s a scene of Obi Wan and Padme meeting (the one Anakin refers to in the final cut), a cut comedic moment where Threepio carries unconscious Padme to the ship, lots of cut little extra lines or bits of lines, a cut scene where Yoda hides from clones, some extra bits of Anakin killing separatists like Wat Tambor, and of course all the pre reshoots Anakin stuff where he watches Mace and Palpatine. Most of this can be found in the script you can find online, in the comic adaptation, and in various BTS shots, all of which I can dig up for you some other time if you can’t find them on Google. From AOTC there’s a scene of Yoda and Mace talking in a hallway, a different scene of Anakin and Padme arriving at the Villa by boat (at the other dock), Mace’s original office with a desk, and some other things not presently located at the top of my head.
Edit: This site has all the info. Go back a few pages for prequels.
The latest version works really well for most of it. I feel like “Don’t you turn against me” is delivered too calmly to follow directly after the pain and anger in “You turned her against me!”. I really like the idea of the line “You weren’t there. I did what I had to do!”, especially with the Obi Wan line you have following it, but it just sounds so different in tone and reverb and everything. Where did you get it from? Ditto for “Anakin please…” from the PS2 game. I’m not well versed in sound editing jargon but it just doesn’t quite have enough harshness to it, probably because of the compression necessary for PS2 games. Other than those few lines, the scene works really well, and I like it much much more than the theatrical version. We’re surely just a few years away from public AI that can construct sentences in different voices, what with this and this and this already existing.
Maybe some will be 3D exclusive, some online only, some Disney Plus exclusive, a few saved for the 2027 50th Anniversary 8k boxset… And we’ll never see some of them. AOTC and ROTS still have unreleased deleted scenes (scripted and filmed, and included in the comic and novelisation) 15 years later. We didn’t see that scene with Luke building his saber from ROTJ for what, 27 years or something? The Lucasfilm archives must house many unique artefacts. Perhaps we’ll see a few more when Lucas opens his museum.
Life comes first Hal! You’ve already produced your own versions of every other movie in the Skywalker Saga (and updated them many times). I imagine we’ll be seeing quite a few fanedits of this movie emerging in the coming months and years, of varying levels of quality, so if you do ever decide to return to this movie it’s probably wisest to leave it a good while for the dust to settle anyway so there’ll be plenty of ideas out there to build upon. There’s no rush - it’s Star Wars, it’ll still be relevant in another thirty years.
Don’t forget that the skin on the Yoda puppet looks really “rough” and not really organic-looking in comparison to real life creatures.
When 900 years old you reach, look as good, you will not! Hmm!
He doesn’t exactly try to kill Ben. Kylo’s version of the flashback with Luke’s crazy face and swing at Ben is implied to be untrue, like Luke’s original telling of the story - both are exaggerating to make Rey more sympathetic to them - but Luke’s second telling seems to be the truth. He pulls his saber out in a moment of shameful fear and weakness (he is, after all, a Jedi, and pulling their saber out is usually a reasonable thing to do instinctively when they sense a threat) and then, while staring at it in shock, is forced to use it to block Ben’s incoming strike. It shows progression from ROTJ, in which Vader’s threat against Leia prompts Luke to angrily fight Vader across the room and chop his hand off. He’s gotten better at controlling that instinct to lash out, and catches himself much sooner, but the tragedy is that it still wasn’t good enough, and he’s forced to live with the shame of knowing that (until he learns to forgive himself in the movie).
I’d recommend you look into 4K77 and 4K83 for Star Wars and Jedi respectively. I hope it’s alright to mention that the Star Wars Trilogy Forums would be a good place to seek additional information about them. Empire Revisited might be a consideration for ESB - it’s in 720p, like Despecialised, and it does retain some of the Special Edition changes, so if you’re looking for an absolute purist approach it won’t be suitable, but it’s an extremely polished version of Empire with many fixes, extra attention to detail, and some stunning new shots, especially on Bespin (there’s no 4K80 yet, though there is the older Dreamastered project).
In canon (Age of Resistance: Rey comic), Rey goes on a whole adventure of her own - taking at least a few hours - in between leaving D’Qar and arriving on Ahch To. So there’s already kind of a few hours in there - just long enough for the First Order to swap all of its helmets, no doubt.
Love the changelist. Moving Kashyyyk earlier is a fun idea and it does make ‘the droid attack on the Wookiees’ less left field. It’s a shame there’s so little appropriate material in the Anakin vs. Obi-Wan pre-fight conversation that you have to resort to videogame lines. I wonder if Lucas filmed anything else or if he always had their whole argument mostly focused on politics. This script (I don’t know if it’s legit) has some fun extra dialogue during their fight:
ANAKIN: Don’t make me destroy you, Master. You’re no match for the dark side.
OBI-WAN: I’ve heard that before, Anakin . . . but I never thought I’d hear it from you.
It’s not great, is it?
OBI-WAN: (continuing) The flaw of power is arrogance.
ANAKIN: You hesitate . . . the flaw of compassion.
OBI-WAN: I have failed you, Anakin. I was never able to teach you to think.
ANAKIN: I should have known the Jedi were plotting to take over . . .
OBI-WAN: From the Sith!!! Anakin, Chancellor Palpatine is evil.
ANAKIN: From the Jedi point of view! From my point of view, the Jedi are evil.
OBI-WAN: Well, then you are lost!
ANAKIN: This is the end for you, My Master. I wish it were otherwise.
But the only lines before the fight are these, which I’m glad were cut:
ANAKIN: Is Obi-Wan going to protect you? He can’t … he can’t help you. He’s not strong enough.
ANAKIN: What have you and she been up to?
Sometimes I consider attempting to find a really good voice actor who can do a good Hayden impersonation…
Your previous New Canon Cut was so full of great ideas, I can’t wait to see what you’ve done this time.
I checked out your clip. I love your idea to have Padme admit she willingly brought Obi Wan to kill Anakin; that line works really well in its new context. As well as giving Padme some agency back, I think it’s just the thing to really tie back in the earlier (semi deleted) plot thread about Palpatine convincing Anakin that Padme is hiding things from him, and it makes Anakin’s reaction to Kenobi’s arrival seem more believable. It’s hard to buy Anakin as legitimately feeling betrayed in the original film (unless you justify it as the dark side messing with his head) which to me has always made his anger seem more amusing, like that of a confused child, rather than intimidating, but this goes some way to fixing that.
Your dialogue tweaks are as innovative as ever (though my overfamiliarity with this scene/movie causes my brain to finish off lines you’ve cut short) and though the added lines will never be seamless, I enjoy how you’ve used them.
I personally hate the “my new powers” line because every time I hear it I just imagine him unlocking all the dark side force powers on the KOTOR level up screen or something (and though I enjoy the idea of moving lines like 'I want more…" around, placing it there compounds my amusing mental image and causes me to imagine he’s complaining about how he wants to unlock more force powers but can’t because already used all the levelups he earned from the temple massacre and the separatists). A little clip of the audio to “my new power” might be a nice idea, but maybe it’s just me who gets hung up on that line.
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The animation quality is phenomenal. For me, TCW is second only to the OT, so it’s fantastic to see it get the high quality sendoff it deserves (especially after the somewhat lower quality sendoff for the ST we received recently…). The scenes with dialogue lifted directly from ROTS; and Padme’s obvious pregnancy/Mustafar outfit in her holoskype with Anakin, seem to suggest that we’ll be seeing new events set during ROTS this season. It was already known that we’d see Order 66 from the perspective of Ahsoka and Rex on Mandalore, but this gives me hope that Filoni will be fleshing out/slightly retconning Anakin/Obi Wan/Padme/The Jedi Order’s ROTS plots as well. I’d love to see a little more of Order 66 and the Attack on the Jedi Temple - since TCW brought Jedi Temple Guards into the canon; I think it would be a real missed opportunity for us to not see the newly christened Darth Vader taking a few of them down as he leads the 501st into the Temple.
Hoping for a 10-minute fully mo-capped scene of Anakin slaughtering all those kids; it’s what Disney+ needs.
I mean, you could cut the dialogue about healing requiring you to give away a bit of your own life, but that would make it amusingly overpowered. It would remove questions about how many years of life expectancy Rey gave away to heal that worm and Kylo’s fatal stab wound though. My preferred option is to keep Ben’s sacrifice - it is essentially his main redemptive act, and I think his selfless attempt to save someone from death does (for all the faults of the rest of the movie) act as a satisfying contrast to Anakin’s selfish attempt in ROTS - but then have him Force Ghost Ex Machina’d back into the living world. I just don’t think the movie places enough weight on Ben’s death to be able to not make it feel skipped over and overlooked; so he has to survive to keep the ending satisfying. I rewatched Fellowship of the Ring EE yesterday and I was struck by how much more effectively the death scenes in that movie are handled.
Do you have a way of running Sharpen AI on multiple frames? I’ve never found a way and resorted to regraining and sharpening the lame way in AE.
Looks awesome. Are you using the AI Gigapixel video alpha? I upscaled a few deleted scenes with it myself but have since deleted them to recover hard drive space - I think your result is better than I managed; mine only really held up when viewed at a reasonable distance.
Is it possible to imply Leia has been in poor health since her spacewalk in TLJ? Add coughing in both movies, maybe dub in a line of some Resistance member with their back to the camera suggesting she will never fully recover, even put a single word in the crawl or something. Her death already comes out of nowhere but cutting the Maz scene (essential to do, I hate it) would make that even worse.
Yeah, I think people would just be disappointed because they’re not the same story.
Hal’s prequel edits don’t follow the plots of the books they’re named after either.
You could certainly create an effect like that manually using the usual face morph software and techniques on each individual frame but it might start becoming a little tedious if there was no way to automate it. You could also just composite the fake at a lower opacity but obviously that just leaves you with two half transparent faces in the same place unless they were very similar to begin with. And yeah, it takes me about a week to train one up to a decent quality, and that’s assuming there’s plenty of source material of the new face to feed in, which probably isn’t the case for young Shaw since he was ROTS Anakin’s age in about 1930.
I have some experience with creating Deepfakes and would be able to give this a shot if someone had a good idea. I’ve been experimenting with deepfaking the real faces onto the Battlefront 2 models to potentially animate entirely new ghostly elements to be composited in… Bare in mind the technology does not work well for closeups since even the most powerful GPUs currently available struggle to render the faces at above 256x256 resolution and rely on some kind of post-process superresolution to look better. Personally I painstakingly feed frames into the facial upscaling app Remini 30 at a time. It holds up sometimes, at certain angles and expressions, for a fairly distant face. Getting the eyes to look in the desired directions is always a struggle.
Is that (the forest moon of) Endor as a moon of Coruscant? Planning a ROTJ edit?