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#1390334
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>720p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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You don’t want to use Aimersoft or any other tool to crudely resize it, because VEAI works best if you just feed stuff in at its native resolution (sometimes, a slight downscale prior to processing can actually help). There’s a lot of information about this here and in Joel Hruska’s other posts about his Deep Space 9 project (warning: Star Trek).

This is straying fairly off-topic; I’m pretty sure there are already other topics for this.

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#1390247
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The Clone Wars: Refocused - A new approach inspired by the Mandalorian
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Sorry, I didn’t mean to derail another good thread into the dark wasteland of TLJ/Holdo discussion with my haircut comment.

I’m pretty sure we got Bad Batch/Martez sisters because they were mostly done already, and the Siege of Mandalore needed most of whatever budget Disney was willing to provide for the new season. AFAIK we’ve never seen any early animation for Son of Dathomir, so it may have been nowhere near as far along in development as those two and thus financially unfeasible to finish. I don’t think Grievous invading Coruscant even got scripted. We did see early animation for the Boba vs Cad Bane, Dark Disciple, and the Crystal Crisis on Utapau arcs, so I speculate that they were also up for potentially being finished, but I can empathise with why Filoni/other relevant decision-makers picked the episodes they did. We know Bad Batch was a backdoor pilot now, and it gave us a bit on Rex, Echo and clonehood in general, as well as a chance for a final adventure with pre-Vader Anakin, and I presume Martez sisters was picked for a reason very similar to EddieDean’s philosophy here: focus on Ahsoka. I hope that the other arcs get animated one day but I can’t see any reason why Disney would possibly shell out the funding now that they’ve already cashed in on the ‘final season’ marketing hype and all.

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#1390243
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>720p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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That depends very much on how you upscale it. If you just do a ‘Nearest Neighbour’ upscale to 1080p, then yes, it will be made up of ‘giant pixels’: 2 or 3 pixel wide/tall rectangles. If you perform an upscale with a different algorithm - bilinear, or Lanczos, or any of the upscalers you can use in AE/Premiere like Adobe’s Detail-Preserving Upscale algorithm, or Red Giant Instant 4K etc. - then you most certainly won’t have ‘giant pixels’. Unfortunately, there’s not much point doing that, because those upscalers are, frankly, only slightly better than what your TV already does in real time when you play 480p 576p files on a 1080p or 4K screen.

The real trick comes with machine learning upscalers. Unlike algorithmic upscalers (the ones described previously) which essentially just perform some maths on the image, these actually have some sense of what they’re looking at. They’ve been ‘trained’ for many many hours on pairs of images, one low res and one high res, to be able to notice patterns and recognise things in a way much closer to how we as humans perceive images. The most consumer-friendly of these currently is Topaz Labs’ Video Enhance AI, but others exist like TecoGAN and SOFVSR. Getting a good result out of these requires a good video card, lots of trial and error, and plenty of patience, however.

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#1390194
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The Clone Wars: Refocused - A new approach inspired by the Mandalorian
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I think the Martez sisters arc got a lot of undue hate for being dished out weekly over the course of a month while everyone was chomping at the bit for the Siege of Mandalore (separate from the absurd backlash to hairstyles with shaved bits). It made the slow pace and plot inefficiency very apparent, even though quite a few arcs are like that. Still, I’d be interested to see how much you can chop it down without feeling like it loses anything.

I think I liked it more than the Bad Batch arc. Clone Force 99 themselves are just clichés and the villains are back to being Season 1-3 tier. Anakin is fun, I suppose, with his secret rendezvous and tendency towards killing his enemies. It just doesn’t really feel at home where it is in the pacing of the series IMO, but Anakin’s long hair model forces it to be there, and since we now know that it was actually a backdoor pilot for the next animated series, I doubt you could drop it from any of your cuts.

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#1390032
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<strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> — Official Review and Opinions Thread
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What’s up with the structure of the Battle of Exegol? At ~1 hour 49 minutes, we see Finn and Jannah choose to stay on the Star Destroyer to fire the cannon at the bridge. They don’t appear again until ~2 hours - 10 minutes later, after the entire Ben/Rey team-up sequence, Rey’s Jedi telepathy, and Palpatine’s death - when they fire the gun. I get that the idea is to synchronise the big victory of both battles, but it’s no wonder that I lost track of what was going on in the theatre! I’m looking for ways to restructure it but I doubt I’ll spot any great insights that J.J. Abrams didn’t.

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#1389733
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The Clone Wars: Refocused - A new approach inspired by the Mandalorian
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EddieDean said:

These are the episodes that I intend to exclude from my edit altogether.

  • s05e10-13 - the Aberfar / droid commandos arc, for having goofy abrasive characters and a horrible setting

I know you did mention Gregor already; but besides Mortis this is the only totally excluded arc which does have any important continuity. It’s been a while since I watched it, but is there any hope there for just a ~20 minute thing featuring Gregor being a Commando and not much else?

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#1389630
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The Clone Wars: Refocused - A new approach inspired by the Mandalorian
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The whole idea of fanediting is for the editor to make something they feel is subjectively better than the original/other edits, or at least interesting enough to be worth making. No one would bother making an edit that they believed someone else had already completely nailed, so there’s always some implied criticism there, but I think we all understand that this is the case because taste in edits is extremely subjective. For instance, I don’t work on my personal edits of the saga movies because I think HAL9000, NFBisms, Siliconmaster etc. are trash editors or something; it’s because there’s always a few things in any edit that I’d like to see done differently, or ideas I’ve had that I’d like to try out.

I got the impression that EddieDean’s not criticising the individual skill of other faneditors, but rather the concept of turning TCW into a series of full-length movies in general. This doesn’t mean edits that do try to do that suck; just that EddieDean thinks there’s potential in a different format. Re: “forcing yourself” to adhere to ~two hours; I only read this as being in contrast to his plan to release edits of much more variable lengths. Going for a “film format” implies that the edits would be all be approximately feature-film length, and it’d be odd if one of the “films” in a TCW film edit series was suddenly 30 mins long instead of 90 or 120, right?

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#1388942
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The Clone Wars: Refocused - A new approach inspired by the Mandalorian
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Obviously you’re a long way off even thinking about it, but would you consider tackling Rebels in a similar way? It’s a far more episodic show, not really structured into arcs, so it might be tougher to whittle it down.

I agree that anything that makes TCW feel less obviously like it had no idea where it was going until Season 3 or 4 would be a good idea (on the condition that it’s executed reasonably well).

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#1388789
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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I’ve started my own thread for my various TROS edit ideas; but I thought I’d do a little promotion in here. Here’s my current draft of the ending Tatooine scene. The major edits (besides what TROS:A already does) are the moving of the questioning woman to near the end of the sequence, a minor VFX edit to one of the shots of Rey to make her look sadder, the removal of the lightsaber ignition and the needledrop of Anakin’s theme. I explain things a little more in the other thread.

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#1388737
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The Clone Wars: Refocused - A new approach inspired by the Mandalorian
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I agree with some of your criticisms of Mortis - it is weird, and not subtle. My main concern re: excluding it or chopping it up is Morai, who appears prominently at the end of the Siege of Mandalore, and also in Rebels. You sort of need to recognise that she’s connected to the Daughter and Ahsoka’s resurrection or she’s just a random bird. That, and the appearance of the Mortis Gods in Rebels, as mentioned previously. I know that you’re not necessarily prioritising things just because they’re interconnected with other stuff, but the Mortis mythology certainly seems like something Filoni intends to develop further in the future. It feels to me like a significant thing that TCW establishes.

Like you say though - nothing stopping anyone from just watching it, or even making their own combined fanedit for the arc in the same style.

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#1388684
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Sade1212's WIP Rise of Skywalker Edit (mostly ideas; nowhere near release)
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Waffle

Now that the likelihood of seeing any deleted scenes or an extended edition has essentially dried up (denial), complaining about the move has grown tiresome (anger), TROS: Ascendant is done (bargaining), and about a year has passed (depression), I’ve decided to start working on my own fanedit of this movie so I can actually watch the sequel trilogy again (acceptance). My goal is to make a cut of the film without any jarring moments that remind me that I’m watching The Rise of Skywalker, while still being ‘canon-plausible’ (i.e. doesn’t overtly contradict future tie-in material). Unfortunately that means Rey Palpatine and Ben’s death are staying, and Leia’s saber will be blue.

I’m working directly off of TROS: Ascendant for now. It’s full of little fixes, from a huge number of people, that I can’t be bothered to recreate. If I ever finish and release this fanedit, I will probably try to reconstruct it from the original Blu-Ray (re-apply the LUTs and so on) to avoid re-encoding a re-encode of an encode, but that’s not important for Streamable. (I considered jokingly naming this thread “TROS: Descendant” as a nod to its derivative nature, but chickened out.)

I was going to post these drafts in the Radical Redux thread at first, but then I noticed I’d written over ten tweets worth of explanation, so I figured I’d make my own thread. They’re not particularly radical anyway.

Previews/Drafts

  • Ending (V3) - V3 is a bit more polished. I’ve been playing with the closing Tatooine scene, using TROS: Ascendant and JakeRyan17’s music-free audio tracks as a base. My goal was to make it feel a bit less fourth-wall breaky: Rey doesn’t randomly ignite her cool new yellow lightsaber just to show it to the audience, nor does she require convenient prompting to reveal her cool new yellow surname. I opted not to keep the shots of Rey mooching about the Lars homestead either, because they’re weirdly aimless, as if she’s just trying to keep herself amused while waiting for something, and I wanted to instead achieve a sense that she was there with the active and immediate goal of burying the sabers in the Skywalker family grave plot. Poor Shmi, the only Skywalker to leave an actual corpse… I also shifted the sudden appearance of the travelling woman to later in the sequence, in order to avoid having Rey awkwardly blank her to stare at the ghosts of Skywalkers past. I like the way it recontexualises “there’s been no one for so long…”. Finally, I’ve needle-dropped Anakin’s Theme from the TPM album in at the start, since it’s my favourite comfy theme from the saga and it brings things ‘full circle’. I’m essentially fan-servicing myself with that one. All the TROS:A changes, like the chess scene, Ben, the new ending music, and the more adventurous final shot are preserved.

    My concerns with it right now are mostly in how, to remove the saber ignition, I’ve had to cut the shots of Rey actually standing up after the burial. There’s also no lingering shot of her staring at the ghosts, since I felt it was at odds with her tearful appearance in the more sombre take on “Rey Skywalker”. V2 CHANGE: I have used the dark magic of EBSynth and Photoshop to make her look sadder in one of the other shots, which I am now using. (I wish JJ had just kept the sad version of this whole scene - making Rey sound happy doesn’t make Ben’s death less of a downer ending!) It is a little abrupt. There’s an earlier draft here where I left a bit more footage in this section - please let me know if you think it works better; I can’t decide but as of V2 I’m pretty sure the newer version is better.

    Ultimately it seems to me that JJ and co. edited this movie with the philosophy of only leaving in the bare minimum footage, even if it resulted in jarring cuts (see Palpatine’s teleportation back to his throne after throwing Ben down the hole) so I’m more willing than usual to overlook issues of that nature. My ultimate goal is to create a version of TROS I can actually watch, even if it winds up being fairly short.

  • Ajan Kloss Celebration - Along a similar vein, here’s my draft of the Ajan Kloss celebration. It removes Chewie receiving his second canonical medal (presumably Maz just wanted to temper his joy with a quick reminder that his best friend is still dead); Jannah staring longingly into the eyes of an OAP (no, they’re not canonically related, even if that was the original intention, which makes it even more oddly pointless that the only two major non-Finn black characters got lumped together like this); and combines the various Finn, Poe and Zorii moments for a little joke. This is pretty rough, especially with the music transitions, and I’m not particularly attached to it.

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#1388668
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The Clone Wars: Refocused - A new approach inspired by the Mandalorian
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I certainly agree with prioritising pacing and presentation over chronology and canon. This is a fanedit, after all - it’s supposed to be something a bit different and shouldn’t be afraid to be as bold as necessary. The original, official format of the show will still exist for everyone who either doesn’t care for (or more likely has just never heard of) this project.

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#1388504
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The Clone Wars: Refocused - A new approach inspired by the Mandalorian
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I like your ideas so far - I’ve also been lurking. I’m not entirely sold on the idea of intercutting the Domino Squad arc with Christophsis (though I admit I’ve not seen any of Smudger’s edits), since all the other edits you’ve described so far are focused more on a single arc/battle/event. Isn’t there the implication of a significant time jump between Clone Cadets, Rookies and ARC Troopers?

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#1388502
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HARMY's Despecialized Disappointment
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Hmm, perhaps you’d be interested in D+77, D+80 and OTD83 (or alternatively the “Destiny Edition” of ROTJ). These combine footage from the newer 4K masters of the special editions, which look much more natural and less oversharpened than the old blurays, with scans of theatrical film prints of the original trilogy. They’re not completely unspecial, but the things they do keep from the SEs are the more objective improvements like the better compositing, which makes the Endor speeder bike chase look a lot better.

Despecialised is quite outdated at the moment. There’s been a few big breakthroughs in recent years (4K film scans of the OOT, and the new Special Edition masters) and Harmy is currently working on a version of Despecialised which will take advantage of these.

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#1388372
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Ahsoka Tano - discussion
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Rodney-2187 said:
Others left too, most notably Count Dooku.

While this is true, he leaves it over a decade before Order 66, and then goes on to become a Sith, whereas Ahsoka leaves within a year of the end and for more “correct” reasons. The audience is on Ahsoka’s side but not Dooku’s.

Rodney-2187 said:
I don’t remember her fighting Sidious.

In Rebels. There’s no clash of sabers but she holds him out of the WBW for a few moments.

Rodney-2187 said:
Lots of people did.

Yes, but not many Jedi did (despite what Mace Windu may insist, Ahsoka doesn’t quite count as an ordinary civilian). We’re led to believe in the OT that Luke is literally the Last Jedi - the fact that Ahsoka has rejected the actual Jedi Order by that point so she doesn’t count is a very smart bit of weaving between the lines of the pre-existing text. “Luke, when gone I am, last of the Jedi will you be. Your… father’s apprentice is still alive, but count not, does she, because white her lightsabers are, so bother to mention her ever, I will not.”

“No… there is another.”
“Oh, Ahsoka? Yeah I suppose I probably could make a ghostly appearance to her and try to get her back on side -”
"No, Obi-Wan! A foolish idea, that is. I mean Leia - who, convincing Luke to let die, we were, just a moment ago… "

Obviously I slightly exaggerated Ahsoka’s unlikely list of accomplishments for my previous post, because it was essentially just a set-up for the punchline that I love seeing her character despite knowing she’s overused. NFB makes some great points on how Ahsoka could be made more interesting in the post-OT era - I can only imagine the YouTube meltdown about how dIsNeY rUiNeD aHsOkA if they did place her at odds with Luke Skywalker, though.

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#1388138
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Ahsoka Tano - discussion
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it still says Ashoka Tano

I hope it wouldn’t make such an egregious spelling error! 😉 Every time I see Ashoka I read it in Sean Connery’s voice (RIP).

My hot take is that Ahsoka is a ridiculous Mary Sue author-insert shoehorned-in overpowered OC - it’s absurd that Anakin Skywalker would have a padawan he never mentioned, who was the only Jedi with sufficient foresight to leave the Order (and in doing so became a key influence on Anakin’s fall), was a key founding member of the Rebel Alliance, has held her own against Grievous, Maul, Vader and Sidious, survived the entire Original Trilogy, and has even had her life saved by time travel. I would however, love to see her in everything: I want to see her meet Luke Skywalker and help set up the New Jedi Order, I want an elderly Ahsoka to inspire and pass knowledge down to Rey, and I want her to talk to have an emotional conversation with Anakin’s force ghost. She’s great.

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#1388134
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Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Re: current thread topics - I agree that turning Pasaana into Jedha is fairly pointless. Making Pasaana a non-desert planet would be neat, but that kind of large scale VFX is really ambitious and the time would probably be better spent on something like Luke’s wig. Making Lor San Tekka’s lines be less like meaningless fourth-wall breaking waffle would be great (“This will begin to make things right!” feels arrogant in a post-TROS world… same vibe as “A Jedi’s weapon deserves more respect.”). The Sequel Trilogy does not do big-picture “worldbuilding” well, so any edit which narrows the focus to just the main plot and characters and leaves the actual state of the galaxy as vague as possible (e.g. removing any mentions of exactly how powerful the First Order is) is a winner in my opinion.

Anyway, the main reason I’m in this thread is to ask if anyone has a functioning link to a version of the TROS ending scene without music? I think HAL posted one a few months ago but the drive link is dead. Cheers.

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#1387475
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The Clone Wars: Refocused - A new approach inspired by the Mandalorian
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I agree - working backwards from the finale, Ahsoka has to be the main character; Maul the key villain, and Mandalore the key location. Arcs advancing the plot of those three are the “main story” of TCW, I suppose. Prior to the revival, it wasn’t as clear - maybe Anakin or Obi-Wan could’ve been argued to be the main protagonists, with Ahsoka being a side-character, but I don’t think Season 7 leaves much doubt. You wind up getting a lot of Obi-Wan content in Maul’s story, and you get a lot of Anakin’s development in Ahsoka-centric episodes, so that makes things a bit more convenient.

Unfortunately Maul isn’t even introduced until Season 4 so this doesn’t help give a great deal of structure to those first few seasons. Perhaps a focus on the clones early on would help. Domino Squad, Rex, and the Order 66 chip conspiracy all play a significant part in the finale, so it’s necessary to include all of that as some sort of show-long side plot. Personally I like to watch Clone Cadets, Rookies and ARC Troopers back to back, since I forget which Clone is which otherwise…