Any edit that tries to reuse the footage of Kylo on Pasaana has the unfortunate side effect of forcing him to show up on Tatooine with his Supreme Leader outfit on. Sure, his ‘Ben Solo’ outfit is just his underclothes or pyjamas or whatever, but reversing the costume change would be confusing.
Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (1987, Colorised)
Sure, I’ll send it to you in full quality once I’ve polished it some more. If you have any other ideas for VFX (which could easily be done with the Lockdown plugin) let me know.
To steal an idea from NFBism’s thread: here’s a test of Appo.
I couldn’t get the perspective right on the arrow in the close-up. If anyone of a more artistic inclination could photoshop a single frame of Appo to have a correct looking arrow, that’d be extremely useful.
I knew it sounded familiar, but didn´t notice it was mgs4. It is a great track but i feel it doesn´t match with sw.
No no, it’s not from MGS4, I was just saying it always reminds me of that. It’s Padme’s Ruminations by John Williams; it’s in the original movie.
Here’s a slightly more polished version, stuck into HAL’s edit of the scene for context.
I’ll see if I can edit together a version of the scene which allows me to draw out the transformation just a little longer.
- 1:04:15 — padme/anakin looking across replace score, because “oooh, ooooh” music feels out of place - my opinion
Padme’s Ruminations is the best track in the film, though! It always reminds me of MGS4.
The eye flicker is not deliberate; this is just a proof of concept/unpolished test.
I think it’s too fast so I’ll have to spread the transformation over multiple shots - perhaps have him go halfway to Sidious in this shot, and then take one of the later shots of the Sidious prosthetics and see if I can’t edit it to start out with him still only partially transformed.
Luke should know his mother’s first name.
Who would have told him? Uncle Owen? Obi-Wan? Yoda? Vader? Leia?
Is Padme knowing Anakin is on Mustafar later going to be an implied force connection or something?
Gah I overlooked that. I could try to shoehorn back in the lines about the Separatists being on Mustafar but I worry that would bring it too close to the original scene and make it too apparent that it’d been moved.
My best bet is probably to redub the security recording Obi-Wan sees so Palpatine specifically tells Anakin to “go to the Mustafar system” to bring peace to the Empire. Since I’m planning on stealing your concept of having Padme intentionally bring Obi-Wan to Mustafar, it can be implied that he told her where to fly to. Of course I’d then have to remove “Do you know where he is now?” and the associated lines from the scene of Obi-Wan visiting Padme. It would recontextualise that scene somewhat, since there’d no longer be any tension around Padme revealing Anakin’s location. I suppose it’d suggest that Obi-Wan is just visiting her as a concerned friend - perhaps also to get her help with trying to redeem Anakin, though I’m not sure if the dialogue really implies that. Bringing her to Mustafar is probably recklessly endangering her life, but she’s no stranger to that after Naboo, Geonosis and The Clone Wars.
It’s something JJ Abrams probably wouldn’t have worried about… 😉
In my edit I’m moving the scene of Anakin visiting Padme to just after “Once more, the Sith shall rule the Galaxy!”, in an attempt to give the viewer a bit more context into where Anakin’s head is at just before the Jedi Temple Massacre. Here’s my proof of concept/test/first version/what I slapped together over lunch.
To this end, I’ve removed any reference to Anakin being just about to leave for Mustafar, or the temple being on fire. He still lies to her about the Jedi betraying the Republic, but in my edit this is just he and Palpatine’s ‘cover story’ rather than anything he legitimately believes. I’ve put the lines about Anakin having found a way to save Padme in here, to remind the viewer that he truly believes that if he goes through with this betrayal of the Jedi, he will be able to save Padme. (I also cut Palpatine’s earlier admission that ‘only one has discovered the secret’ to avoid undermining Anakin’s deal with the devil.)
The audio is still a bit rough - the change in tone and volume from “I won’t lose you Padme” to “Wait for me until I return” is too abrupt - but I’ll tidy it up when I’ve decided I’m happy with the dialogue. Please let me know if you have any criticisms or suggestions.
If you’re wanting to use Battlefront 2 footage besides what’s in the trailers, I’d recommend reaching out to Cinematic Captures. I don’t know how willing he would be to help, but there’s no one better at capturing cinematic footage from that game.
As long as you stick to Adywan’s donation model rather than Ivan Ortega’s you’ll be alright, I think, but generally getting money involved with fanediting is risky. I think a lot of the issue people had with Ivan was that he was framing it essentially as people paying him to ‘fix’ the movie, and he didn’t respond well to criticism in his brief stint on this website. It certainly didn’t help that his fanedit wound up being… subpar after he’d hyped it for years.
People use password protected Vimeo videos to reduce the chance of Disney copyright-nuking them. Clips of fanedits often don’t last long on YouTube if the algorithm picks up a few seconds of forbidden John Williams. I stick everything on Streamable out of habit and I don’t think any of it has been taken down.
I honestly got the impression that the tear was genuine. Watching the BTS footage, Daisy really put her soul into this movie.
I meant forced in the sense that it seemed like it was difficult for Rey the character to smile. It’s excellent acting, no doubt, I didn’t mean to suggest it was forced in that sense.
A more emotional take of “Rey Skywalker”.
I much prefer this delivery. I get why JJ went for a happier/prouder take for his triumphant ending, though. Unfortunately I don’t think cutting from her smiling in the original shot to her mouth open in the BTS shot quite works.
It makes me wonder - why does this crying take even exist? Obviously they probably do a lot of takes to have plenty of material to work with in editing, but it doesn’t fit tonally with the ending we actually got. Why would she just start crying while talking to this old woman? I originally assumed she was supposed to be choked up with joy for her found family, but seeing it again that forced smile and then the tear seem like sadness. Was this scene going to be a more emotional funeral for Ben and Leia or something? I guess we’ll never know.
What is the reasoning behind any cropping? What is the purpose of additional cropping? Is The Empire Strikes Back cropped throughout?
All Blurays produced from scanned film have to be cropped to some extent to cover up edges of the frame, and things like the soundtrack. Different shots might require different amounts of cropping. When these films were originally projected in theatres, they were ‘cropped’ by the projectionist, but obviously you can’t really do that with a TV so the Blurays have to be cropped by the studios producing them. Clearly some times more thought and effort is put into this than other times.
At the very least it show’s just how the film was cuts to shreds in post and slapped together in an almost DIY fashion.
The movie does feel like it’s already a fanedit - and not in a flattering sense!
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I agree, but I don’t think Idir was being serious! 😄
Whoops. I guess I’ve seen too many people on reddit unironically saying things like that.
F canon this is the ending we deserved: https://youtu.be/DH9ZkDOxnqk
I don’t know. I’m a bigger Anakin fan than many, but I think this would’ve been absurd. Why spend two and a half movies building up two compelling new Force-using characters, Rey and Ben, and developing their dynamic together, only to sideline them in favour of the same dude who killed Palpatine last time? I would’ve liked Anakin to have had a slightly greater presence in the movie (rather than getting the same size role as Luminara Unduli), but I think anything more than
the support role he gets alongside the other ghosts in jonh’s edit would have robbed Rey and Ben of their moment. Besides, to a certain extent, the ST is about the two parts of his legacy: Kylo idolises Vader; Rey is trained by Anakin’s children.
D or bust, really.
I like A.
Could I get a link via PM, please? Reading through the cutlist, I’m amazed the runtime is as high as it is - you’ve cut a lot. I can’t say I agree with many of your changes on paper (and classifying all that as “cringe” seems like a massive stretch) but there’s some very technically ambitious edits here and I’d be interested to see how well you’ve executed them.
I quite enjoyed Dom Cobb’s (I think) test with “I’m no one” as she catches the saber. Since the entire OT and ST are about underdog nobody Rebellions/Resistances rising up against the Empire/First Order (yeah alright I guess Luke was retconned to be the son of the literal Chosen One but he still comes across as a random moisture farmer), I feel it works better with that theme. It shows that Rey has accepted she’s Rey Nobody, and that that’s a good thing: she doesn’t have to be someone special to beat Palpatine. I think that’s a more powerful message for the movie to have. It actually builds on TFA and TLJ, instead of ignoring them. Of course it only really makes sense in a Rey Nobody edit, and you’d have to cut Rey Skywalker as well, probably.
Yeah, I was thinking yesterday about how you could squeeze it in to ROTS. It has a certain finality to it, and even ends with “A New Hope shall emerge”, so it sort of feels like it should play all the way up to the end of the ending montage, which is how it’s used in its Rebels episode. You could try to sync the bit about the Empire rising with the shot of the Imperialised Venators and Vader looking at the Death Star, the bit about not returning to the Temple with Yoda landing on Dagobah, and the bit about the New Hope with Luke being delivered to the Lars Homestead. My worry is that would be too on the nose and would unnecessarily distract from the score.
On a similar note: what if you nicked Palpatine’s TROS message from Fortnite and stuck it over Order 66 or something? It’d probably ruin the emotional gravitas of that scene, but surely if anything is “the day of the Sith” which corrects “the great error” after “the work of generations”, it would be the bit in the movie literally called “Revenge of the Sith” in which the secret Sith Lord takes his revenge.
Charles Soule probably knew that Ben was getting redeemed in TROS, hence the Rise of Kylo Ren not featuring any child murder and retconning TLJ’s vague implication that he personally slaughtered all his former classmates. The extended canon materials always gave quite a sympathetic view of his childhood, but I doubt anything pre-Rise of Kylo Ren was written with his redemption explicitly in mind. I imagine that with the comic Lucasfilm wanted to explicitly steer away from making him seem like some kind of school shooter parallel. I mean, it’s bad enough with Anakin - I’m not sure if Vader’s redemption would have been popular if ROTJ had come out immediately after ROTS!
I enjoy the new exchange and I agree that “What did you tell her?” fits much better in tone than “YOU WEREN’T THERE” did previously. I didn’t notice last time that you VFX’d Obi-Wan so his saber ignites second; it’s nice and subtly done.