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#1309534
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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I’ve been quickly partly-Despecialising and tonemapping down to SDR the 4K Disney Plus releases for my own personal use in a marathon very soon. Most shots look noticeably sharper in this new master than the Bluray, and even with only the ~20gb streaming versions of the 4K releases available, there are noticeably fewer compression artifacts during motion. They’re a great version of the films (as a base for projects which remove Lucas’ worst ideas for changes, of course).

Except for this shot. Ignore the colours, it’s my own tonemapping of the HDR down to SDR for my TV, which is nowhere close to being properly calibrated, so they’ll look off on anything which is. The point is it’s blurry and looks like it’s been upscaled. Lots of detail is missing. I included part of the wipe in the comparison because I believe this might give us evidence that this is what this shot actually looks like in the negative/how it potentially looked in 1997. The sharp detail seems to wipe in slightly behind the main wipe. See the edge of the bunch of air ducts (?) on the centre-left; the left side is blurry but the right is sharp, and then in the next frame the whole thing is sharp. I think the sharp version of this shot is an alteration made for the 2004 master, when they redid the landspeeder. It seems what’s happened for this release is they’ve just composited the 2004 onwards landspeeder onto the blurry version of this shot from 1997 (and shifted the landspeeder to the left right slightly).

So for anyone like me who enjoys some of the Mos Eisley changes, you’d probably want to grab this shot from the Bluray.

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#1307530
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The Scores For The Star Wars Prequel Trilogy
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Only TPM has ever gotten a real ‘ultimate’ edition with the full score heard in the film (the Special Edition OT soundtracks are also quite complete), and even then it’s not a complete soundtrack since it is edited to match the film and thus doesn’t include the full version of every single cue Williams recorded. There’s a community over at jwfan.com of people eagerly waiting for a proper release of the Star Wars soundtracks with every cue that was recorded, but until then the best we have is the incomplete soundtrack albums combined with music ripped from the surround channels of the movie (hence the sound effects you hear) or ripped from video games.

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#1307529
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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I quite enjoyed that clip; though I don’t disagree that “they fly now” is fairly goofy dialogue. To some extent, each trilogy chronologically gets sillier dialogue - the prequels are stilted, the OT is fairly casual but still has some George Lucas clangers, and then the ST is kind of quippy. You can handwave an in universe explanation for that if you really want; but it doesn’t bother me as long as the overall story still delivers on Rey/Kylo/Palpatine well. But some of those comments - people are claiming it looks like a fan film, or that it has terrible obvious CGI or whatever - there is no possible way a fan film could get a high enough budget to do a scene like this, and to me most of the stuff looks like real filmed greenscreen elements at least (even if it is composited together afterwards) though I don’t know how anyone can be passing judgement on that in such a low quality compressed video.

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#1307413
Topic
4K restoration on Star Wars
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ray_afraid said:
About the “worse” compositing, can some kind soul explain? I don’t really see it…
Maybe in the 2nd shot, but I think the first looks a bit better…
(also, what’s 19SE mean?)

19SE as in 2019 Special Edition, as in the version of the Star Wars special editions made available through Disney+ and other digital distribution services in 2019. The Blurays are sometimes called the 11SE, the DVDs the 04SE, and the original theatrical release of the special editions the 97SE - mostly by DoubleOFive on twitter. Though maybe we’re going with 4KSE instead; or perhaps when they get a physical media release we’ll start calling them ‘the UHD Blurays’ or the 20SE instead…

Anyway, compositing is a VFX technique where you basically add all the stuff together to make the final film frame. The reason I reckon the 19SE has worse compositing of Hayden is the black levels - meaning the darkest blacks on his face. The shadow under his neck seems much darker and browner than any of the darkest shadows on Yoda or Obi-Wan, which are more of a medium blue. Less technically, his head generally seems less ghostly and less well integrated with Shaw’s body and the other two Jedi masters.

The blacks are less crushed for most of the film, as far as I can see.

One redone change which I think is a huge improvement is the removal of Vader’s eyebrows. They’ve much more realistically created a shaved brow appearance, with darkness and wrinkles there to get back some of the expressiveness which was somewhat lost with the eyebrow removal. I also really like the slightly pink colour correction for Vader. This shot is worse though because you can clearly see the eyebrows alteration glow with a slightly orange tint.

EDIT:
I feel sorry for the poor VFX artists who had to redo all these changes. Here’s the transition from Tatooine to Naboo redone (because Naboo was added in 2004). It’s a slightly cleaner edge. Naboo looks super desaturated in these new versions; I hope the HDR versions have sufficient colour information for us to get a more vibrant grade out of them without gross artifacting. If we can get them to look like they do on Dre’s TV on my computer monitor, I’ll be chuffed.

Here’s the undone funeral pyre change.

EDIT 2:
No visible change whatsoever in the R2 malfunctioning shot, except the colour grading of course. Maybe they just still had it lying around and could copy it across wholesale?

EDIT 3:
I don’t know if this is anything other than colour correction (Ben’s ghost).

I see no evidence of changes to the Rancor.

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#1307406
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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Some of the confetti effects are out of sync with the Bluray during the Coruscant portion of the SE Victory Celebration. There’s no clear signs that they redid the Temple and Senate, though, which was what I was looking for. Also, the horrendous Bluray red glow over Vader’s funeral pyre (and the subsequent reddening of the bottom half of the sky) are gone.

EDIT:
I can’t believe they made the compositing of Hayden worse. And why is he wall-eyed? It’s the same in the Bluray but surely his eyes aren’t actually doing that in the original footage they used; it must be edited. I think his left eye (closest to Obi Wan) is legit and the right eye must be ‘adjusted’ so he looks more forwards. Cover up the (his) right side of his face and it looks like he’s looking at someone stood in front of Ben.

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#1307137
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The Prequel Trilogy Revised Trailer
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Awesome! I really love what you’ve done with the sabers especially. Are you doing this edit in 1080p, ~30gb Bluray quality? I’d love to cannibalise those saber shots for my personal edits for my rewatch before TROS, so if you have renders of those shots in good quality lying around, I would really appreciate you sending them my way, if that’s cool with you. No need for any of the shots where you’ve given Obi Wan a green saber (though I love the idea and how it looks, I’m sticking to canon this time around). Cheers.

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#1306782
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OT Edits to Fit the PT and/or the Larger Saga (A Resource Thread, Hopefully)
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Anyone ever attempt to edit the instances of Obi Wan calling Vader ‘Darth’ to ‘Vader’ instead? I know arguably he could be mockingly addressing him by his Sith title, but I am cursed with the knowledge that Darth Vader was his real name when ANH was released and I am reminded of this fact every time I hear those lines. Of course, fixing it would just add another step to that thought process, as I would inevitably recall that the original line refers to him as Darth and be taken out of the universe anyway…

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#1306072
Topic
Best Viewing Order for Fans and First Timers: &quot;THE FLASHBACK&quot; Order
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I still think I-IV-II-V-III-VI is unironically a decent way of watching the movies, because of the twists it ‘preserves’ (Vader in ESB, Leia in ROTS), the contrast between the state of the galaxy (and Obi Wan) in I and IV really driving home the idea of the dark times, and having III and VI combine to feel like a satisfying ending to the overall saga.

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#1305551
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General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread
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I’m still holding out hope for fresh deleted scenes on the inevitable 4K Skywalker Saga Collection boxset; or at least the existing deleted scenes which were only available on the DVDs in better quality. Every AOTC and ROTS fanedit relies on 480p->1080p upscales, and there are scenes from both movies as yet unreleased, including one in which Obi Wan admits to Padme that he knows about the romance.

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#1305230
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Return of the Jedi Blu-ray color corrected
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I don’t know of any. Dre is working on a ROTJ colour correction but it’s not done. Adywan has done one for ROTJ Revisited but I don’t think it’s been released. Your best bet is probably the new Disney 4K releases, which have a more natural colour grading. Unfortunately they’re currently exclusive to Disney+ and therefore only available at all in the US and Canada. Hopefully we’ll get them on discs by mid-2020.

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#1304903
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The Usual Sequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread (Radical Ideas Welcome).
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4throck said:

sade1212 said:
My point is that I moved Luke’s death to the end,

Ending a movie on a death scene doesn’t work. You need to see what was achieved by the sacrifice. That’s why you have celebrations on ROTJ and TPM…

I see where you’re coming from (though personally I like TPM to end on that closeup of Palpatine at the funeral…). To some extent, you do see what Luke’s sacrifice achieves - the Resistance gets away and Kylo feels the futility of his attempts to lash out. You just don’t realise that the effort has killed him until afterwards. I’m not 100% sold on it either, but I’m just looking for a way for Luke’s death scene to feel less like it’s rushed over in that reasonably fast paced ending sequence.

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#1304457
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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Roobyoo said:

Thanks for the screenshots, Han Solo.

But man… that looks nothing like a 4k remaster. Just like another color grading.
The Solo/Greedo scene is like an abuse of an old rotten corpse, at that point. How many changes did they make to this scene until now?

Yeah, it looks worse than 4K77 if those screenshots are telling the full story.

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#1304435
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Disney+ streaming platform : <strong>Star Wars content</strong> &amp; various info
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ChainsawAsh said:

In case anyone was curious, the Clone Wars movie is on there (listed under “specials,” separately from the rest of TCW), and it does not have the Warner Bros. logo at the start.

The OT and PT all have the Fox logos and fanfare. TFA and Rogue One still don’t.

Ash, would it be possible for you to post screenshots of the new versions? I think Disney+ has a browser version so you ought to be able to just print screen from that. I’m in the UK and I’m really eager to see the new colour grading but Disney+ isn’t available here. Thank you.

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#1304433
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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jrock1185 said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Yeah, I’m curious if it’s a new transfer or just upscales of the existing ones.

Just checked and they’re all in 4K DOLBY VISION + ATMOS. Watching A New Hope now… color grading is vastly superior to the blu ray color grading and more similar to 4K77 and/or the technicolor prints albeit with special edition add-ons.

Also - there’s more edits/additions… after Han says “I bet you have” to Greedo, there’s another close up shot of Greedo saying something before Greedo shoots and misses.

For real? Could you possibly take screenshots of the colour grading, or film a clip of the changes (or even just do a quick phone recording if that’s not feasible)?