I still think it's a useful project to do, as some scenes on the DVD really do suffer with the lower resolution - especially obvious on some big screens.
penguinofgreatness said:
captainsolo said:
What is atrocious is the complete reworking of the soundtrack from new elements and the abandoning of the original, despite the DVD multichannel mix being a bit restrained (made very obvious in the new 35mm which used this track unlike the IMAX version).
I may get some flack for saying this but I actually prefer the LD for picture despite the aliasing as it seems a bit more natural than the DVD and it is similar to the VHS I grew up with.
Audio...LD wins. No contest. Hands down. End of discussion. The score's integration alone nails it along with directional panning and fine detail not present in the DVD 5.1 derived from the 70mm master.
I was under the impression that the Blu-ray sound mix was just the same as the DVD (70mm), with the rears redone for 7.1. Is it really significantly different from the dvd? (I've only seen the IMAX version, so I don't know.) I really like how the DVD sounded.
I wonder if the japanese HDTV rip is using slightly different audio mix from both the DVD and BD? I noticed the japanese WOWOW HDTV rip has better sound than the BD, in my opnion. It could be a loudness issue, rather than a dynamic range one though, not sure. A good scene to compare is when Indy goes after the truck.
Yeah the LD has the best overall picture in my opinion as well. It seems very consistent, unlike with the BD, I feel. In fact, I notice they do have a similar colour timing.
I was happy with the colours of the DVD until I realised how much the film had changed with that release. I hadn't seen the film in years, and so, I was completely oblivious to the changes. I was just happy it was on DVD that it never occurred to me to even wonder, which is a bit strange (for me).
The HDTV rips were pretty good at the time. I remember when the BD came out a few people people were disappointed with it, and thought it was a downgrade from the HDTV rips.
That's really good news zeropc!
I hope the 4K release will have decent audio, but who knows..
Thanks for doing this.
That HDTV version certainly has its problems, but I always choose it over the DVD and Blu-ray versions. The only thing that I find a bit annoying is the audio included sounds quieter than the DVD and Blu-ray.
As already discussed, I think it would be a great asset to use for any 2.0 version you may consider making.
Sorry I haven't had chance to check out your current version, my internet is bandwidth is pretty bad at the moment.
Anyone watched these trailers of ROTLA:
Teaser
http://cdn-vob.movie-list.com/bendermac/m2ts/indiana_jones/indy1-tsr.m2ts
Trailer
http://cdn-vob.movie-list.com/bendermac/m2ts/indiana_jones/indy1-trl.m2ts
1983 Re-release Trailer
http://cdn-vob.movie-list.com/bendermac/m2ts/indiana_jones/indy1-re-trl.m2ts
The colour timing from each of these looks more like the old DVD and japanese HDTV versions.
I will say yes, but I also understand the huuuge work load it would make for you undertaking the preservation of the 35mm.
It'd be nice to see a few captured frames to compare with the blu-ray and 1999 dvd!
What was the view on various health issues - were people with cancer for example, allowed to take medicines and have treatment?
Just seen some screenshots of the new Mary Poppins blu-ray and it looks awful. Looks like this one may need a Team Blu release of the HDTV with the original colours.
Well, that would certainly put to bed the wanting of a better transfer.
I hope the remaster is every bit as good as what was achieved with the Ghostbusters 4K remaster. If it is, it will be a dream come true.
Bingowings said:
Jaitea said:
Bingowings said:
I remember the WTFs when ESB started with the words 'Star Wars'.
WTF does WTF mean?:)
J
It means, "Way (or Ways) of The Force" as in :
LUKE : There is nothing for me here now I want to learn the WTF and become a Jedi like my father.
or
YODA : It is the way of things the WTF.
Wouldn't that be WoTF or WOTF?
Also on another note, will there be another trailer or teaser for ESB:R in the future? I'd love to see some of the progress with this project shown in one ultimate trailer/teaser. At the same time though, I can understand the reluctance to show too much in an effort to keep surprises for the official release. :-P
That's good to know as my internet has been terrible lately. My upload speed is half of what it would normally be, so I am glad you managed to find it!
I feel the somewhat the same about using the LD footage. It is a matter of getting the LD to look decent enough next to other footage which is the real challenge. I am not sure how well I can capture the LD footage, as I am a total newbie to it all and the results may be well below people's expectations I fear.
This project will probably take a while to get going properly as I don't want to rush it. I need to learn how to capture things decently enough in order to justify doing this. If the results are going to be really bad, then there is little point in me doing it. I will keep you all posted on any progress I have with this. Feel free to still discuss the project and offer suggestions.
Asaki said:
rockin said:
The colour timing is vastly different from the trailers...
We've been over this before in a discussion on ESB: the trailers come out way before the film is finished, so yeah, the final cut of the movie is probably going to have a different color timing than the trailers ;)
They also usually have a different soundtrack, different sound effects, sometimes different dialogue, different takes, and often scenes that aren't even in the finished movie.
I actually disagree in this case. Both the TDK prologue on the BB blu-ray and TDK apple trailers shared the same colour timing, while both also being free of DNR and EE. It wasn't a case of being isolated to a couple of trailers.
What I find also interesting (which is why I believe the colour timing of the TDK blu-ray to be screwed) is that the TDKR blu-ray has the same or similar colour timing to the TDK prologue on the BB blu-ray and apple trailers. Which tells me that the TDKR has the intended colour timing and the TDK does not. Otherwise the TDKR would have been given the same treatment as the TDK on blu-ray.
Slightly off-topic: have you thought about doing anything to the colour timing? The colour timing is vastly different from the trailers and the IMAX prologue which was included on the Batman Begins blu-ray.
Thanks for the shout. Love your work!
I love that 1981 crawl! Nice work Harmy.
Here's a thought:
In spirit of keeping the new trilogy true to the originals, wouldn't it be wonderful if Kathleen Kennedy hired people like Ady and Harmy as consultants for the new films?
Harmy said:
This looks really promising - maybe I'll use you correction when making v3.0 one day :-)
Is this real??
*pinches self*
Just imagine the possibilities:
SW OT & 97SE by Team Blu and Ady's ESB:Revisisted out by Christmas... I think I will be a on a Star Wars high if this happens, or at least experiencing a nerdgasm of some extreme form... *giggity*
_,,,^..^,,,_ said:
What about a laserdisc upscale of the Criterion laserdisc?
I have the two versions, CAV and CLV, that could be overlaid to get rid of drop outs; as the DVD is not anamorphic, the vertical resolution is the same of the LD; laserdisc has a better chroma vertical resolution; the DVD (AFAIK) has some compression artefacts problems; the LD has the uncompressed PCM soundtrack; both have the 1.66:1 AR; the LD has a lot of extras, but I don't know if they are all on DVD as well.
Plus, they will be captured using the HLD-X9...
Opinions?
Oh hell yes!
You really are quite the genius when it comes to these kinds of things.
The colour correction in this is amongst some of the best I have ever seen for any film. I'd love to see this released one day.
If only there was a way to export all the colour-correction settings you have used, so that someone else could render the video for you. Surely there must be a way to do this?
Robocop - There is one project presumably in the works by someone else but I think it would great if Team Blu could do this too.
The Great Outdoors - There is a 1080i HDTV capture out somewhere.
Ghostbusters II - 1080i HDTV capture somewhere and no sign of the blu-ray being released as of yet.
Nick of time - HDTV capture of this floating around. Not released yet on blu-ray.
No I don't mean to use the incomplete effects shots (that is what the laserdisc footage is for). The deleted scenes will be for all other shots, since these are higher quality. So I am talking about splicing in the laserdisc footage with the deleted scene footage. To understand what I am referring to you need to see how it is done in the Quest For Coherence.
I obtained my copy of the Quest For Coherence fanedit a few years ago.
Thanks guys.
I just had a look at the fan edit "Superman IV: The Quest For Coherence" and in that is some laserdisc footage of the missing scenes involving the tornado and the kremlin. The way that it has been used has been quite masterfully done, as only select shots have been used from the laserdisc (shots with incomplete optical effects) while the rest of the scene plays out with footage taken from the DVD deleted scene footage. With this in mind, it might be possible to use the few laserdisc sourced shots with the blu-ray, as I believe the deleted scenes for Superman IV have been included on the blu-ray. If the deleted scenes were indeed in high defintion from the blu-ray disc (with only select shots in laserdisc) this could work out very well indeed.
One problem I am seeing with this after seeing the Quest For Coherence laserdisc footage, is that I seriously doubt that I could provide better quality footage than that has already been done, which changes things somewhat.
Here is a summary below of few new potential ways to do this:
Regarding VHS, I think it would be incredibly difficult to do. I'd also need to see whether the footage is decent enough over what is already available from Quest For Coherence to justify the use of it.
I will try to obtain a copy of Superman IV on VHS to see whether the quality is decent or not.