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#198983
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Violence VS. Non-Violence ~~~ Debate
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/198983/action/topic#198983
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Originally posted by: ricarleite
So please do explain why "democracy" is the one with justifiable means to resort to violence.
What? Democracy, or more accurately, representative government constrained by Constitutional Law, has proven time and time again to be the most fair and least abusable form of government. It is the form of government the US (and Brazil, I might remind you, Ric) have right now, and it is the kind of government that Islamofacism (and all other types of facism) cannot stand.

Read my response to Warbler above. I am not talking about democracy, I am asking why are WE right and THEY are wrong.


Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab

Originally posted by: ricarleite
Also, if we have been killing each other since the biblical times, and we keep doing it now, what makes you think a war will solve everything now?


What are you talking about? Who said war is the solution to 'everything'?


Not to everything literally. What I am asking is, if violence has never stoped more violence, what makes you belive that it will eventually work? If there's no point and violence will continue, why make more of it?
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#198974
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The Things We Hate And Love Thread .
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/198974/action/topic#198974
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Originally posted by: Nanner Split
I hate that my dad is on a plane during the bad weather we're having right now. He should've been here by now, but he's been stuck in Abilene, TX for hours because of flight delays.


Flight delays are awful. I am terrified of planes, but I rather be ON the plane, travelling, instead of being at the airport gate looking at my watch, as has happened to me several times.
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#198973
Topic
Violence VS. Non-Violence ~~~ Debate
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/198973/action/topic#198973
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God I hate multiple quote tags...

Originally posted by: Warbler

Originally posted by: ricarleite
All I was saying on that sentence you've quoted, is how the ONLY real reason someone would call up for a justifiable violence act is to END another violence act. Would you use violence to anything else, and being justifiable and have you violence act as morally acceptable?


huh? I think you may have commited typos here. Could you make this more clear?


OK sorry, let me re-write that. All I was saying on that quote, is that the only reason someone would use violence and use it in a justifiable way, would be to END another act of violence. Is there any other reason for someone to USE violence, in a justifiable way, and in a way that bis morally acceptable?

Originally posted by: Warbler

Originally posted by: ricarleite


So please do explain why "democracy" is the one with justifiable means to resort to violence. ?


Well I don't know that I'd put it exactly that way, but what kind of government would you prefer to live under? Democracy, Facism, Communism, A Monarchy, A Dictatorship? I'll pick the one where the people decide who the leader will be. I'll pick type the government that believes in equality, freedom and justice for all.

I am not saying that democracy is a bad system or worse than other ways of ruling. What I asked is, what makes OUR side the GOOD one? What makes the violence applied by the democratic regimes justifiable over the violence applied by "our enemy" - which is not really our enemy if you think about it, but still...

Originally posted by: Warbler

you never answered my earlier question:

Originally posted by: Warbler

And what are you willing to give up to avoid violence? Your life? Your rights? Your way of life? Your religious beliefs? Your freedom? If the choice is to give up the things that I have meantioned or resort to violence what do you do? At what price nonviolence Jag?
At what price Ric?

As for Gandhi

think about this:

If the world consisted of 4 billion Gandhis and 1 Hitler, Hitler would rule the world.


To avoid violence? Yes, I am willing to give up a lot of things. If giving up my life, rights, way of life, religious beliefs and freedom IS going to help in achieving a non-violent future for our world, I would give up those things right now.

If there was 1 Hitler and 4 billion Ghandis, he wouldn't be able to do much.
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#198931
Topic
Violence VS. Non-Violence ~~~ Debate
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/198931/action/topic#198931
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
Well, it is because human nature is central to this debate. If it were POSSIBLE, what you're saying would of course be the best way to go. But all throughout history, from Cain and Able to the brewing civil war in Iraq, there has always been a portion of the world that refuses to rise above the urges to do harm to others. Pacifism only works, as Sage and YodaIYF have been saying, if both sides agree to it, and that CERTAINLY isn't going to happen in this war. Islamofacism and democracy cannot coexist peacably in the same world, end of story.


So please do explain why "democracy" is the one with justifiable means to resort to violence. Also, if we have been killing each other since the biblical times, and we keep doing it now, what makes you think a war will solve everything now?
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#198823
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YIYF's Long Bridge Club
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/198823/action/topic#198823
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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Football and stone-baked pizza. I like your style.

Boy I sure hope I don't end up missing the world cup. That would be a real shitty start to my move.


I've come to realize that British and Brazillians are very much alike over their passions and way of life. We enjoy the same kind of rock music, same kind of drinks, same sports, have the same sense of humor the whole world dosen't seem to understand...
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#198785
Topic
Violence VS. Non-Violence ~~~ Debate
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/198785/action/topic#198785
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I hate this multiple quote tags, so it might not look properly, but oh well:

Originally posted by: JediSage
Originally posted by: ricarleite
Have you guys ever realized that all justification for violence is to stop violence? When you figure out how to do this across the globe simultaneously, then I'll buy into that line of thinking.


All I was saying on that sentence you've quoted, is how the ONLY real reason someone would call up for a justifiable violence act is to END another violence act. Would you use violence to anything else, and being justifiable and have you violence act as morally acceptable?


Originally posted by: JediSage

First, the people who tend to focus on violence to end violence, is the kind of person who would commit an act of violence in the first place. A generalization and stereotype.


In which way? It's pretty much the whole story of the egg and the chicken, who came first? The egg or the chicken? Who has started the violence? Saddam Hussein uses violence but to his own MIND it's justifiable. That's because he is using violence to impose a greater good over some other violence, which, then, was justifiable. It's an endless cicle. So the ones perpetuating violence are the ones who may begin it on the first place.

Originally posted by: JediSage

Second, violence generates a whole bunch of money to some people who are living in secure, protected and rich homes away from the misery and poverty of the whole world.


Another stereotype based on indoctrinated thinking rather than facts. I live in quite, safe, middle-class neighborhood. If someone breaks into my neighbor's house and they respond with violence I don't make a dime...And so we're back to the original point. If someone breaks into my home, I should sit down and sing folk songs with the person and discuss how it's not REALLY their fault that they broke in. It's their poor socio-economic circumstances that forced them to pick up a knife and a crow-bar and made them break in during the middle of the night and try to kill me. Water under the bridge!


I was not talking about you or the general people. I was talking about people who profit from weapons and the violence industry.

Originally posted by: JediSage

Back to my signature from last week... If poverty and social injustice are the only factors in crime why do rich people still go to jail?? Martha Stewart, Leona Helmsley, the Enron group, the governor of my home state, the list goes on....


Those are white-collar related crimes, related mostly to financial crimes like illegal stock moves or bribery. But what does that have to do with violence? Who said rich people don't go to jail?
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#198754
Topic
The Things We Hate And Love Thread .
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/198754/action/topic#198754
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
that allergy symptom where it feels like the roof of your mouth is itching and you need to take a fork and rub it raw


That must be awful... And please don't scratch with a fork... Imagine the pain, and all the blood dripping from your mouth, and you start to scratch and dig it deeper into your mouth until you reach the nose, and then dark blood starts dripping from your nose too, and there are pieces of the roof of your mouth all over, and you start spitting those nasty things with a smelly dark blood, and then... OK sorry, I'll stop now...
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#198753
Topic
YIYF's Long Bridge Club
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/198753/action/topic#198753
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I know that for the 1994 World Cup, they have aired some games, mostly USA's. I don't belive the general north american audience even knows how a soccer game is played, let alone know what a World Cup is, so I strongly belive that you'll either watch it on cable, or in a ethnic pub or restaurant. I know that in New York, Brazil-themes places will show the games. With some luck you might find an italian or portuguese or brazillian place that shows the games.
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#198752
Topic
Violence VS. Non-Violence ~~~ Debate
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/198752/action/topic#198752
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Have you guys ever realized that all justification for violence is to stop violence? In order to stop it, you gotta generate a greater, stronger violence, and therefore IMPOSE you will over the weaker. Problem is, the other side might do the same.

So I guess that killing someone who has break into your house is justifiable. And, for most people, that's the end of the story. "If someone breaks into my home I'll shoot that person and that's it!", but, what caused that man to break into your home? Is it for the money? But why? Is that person on drugs? What was the cause of that personal degradation that lead it to commit acts of violence in the first place? Is the only alternative to fight it with violence, or can we prevent it? Instead of focusing on grabbing more guns, why don;t we focus on how to avoid violence to begin in first place?

And then we sadly realize that there are two reasons for this. First, the people who tend to focus on violence to end violence, is the kind of person who would commit an act of violence in the first place. Second, violence generates a whole bunch of money to some people who are living in secure, protected and rich homes away from the misery and poverty of the whole world.
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#198625
Topic
SW Tourn of Champs The Final 4 : Vader vs Yoda, Obiwan vs Luke
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/198625/action/topic#198625
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I feel I gotta justify my answers.

1- Yoda. And that is mostly because of how Vader/Anakin's image has being degenerated over the years. After the PTs, I cannot see that character the same way. Also, there are a few discrepancies of how the character behaves on ANH, TESB and ROTJ, that have bothered me. Yoda was also buthcered on the PTs, but his essence remained the same. While having little screen time on TESB, and VERY little screen time on ROTJ, and being a freaking puppet on Frank Oz's hand, he had such impact and was such a great character, he became a myth as itself. Therefore, Yoda is my choice. His use of the force lifting the X-Wing is more of a valuable moment than Vader force-chocking people.

2- Luke. This was VERY tough, but the justification came easily. Luke was able to achieve what Obi-Wan wasn't, the redemption of Anakin and the fall of the galactic empire. Also, Luke is a character who has progressed in such a way during the OTs, that it grew bigger than Alec Guines's character.
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#198619
Topic
Twist Ending
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/198619/action/topic#198619
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Well, I belive "the thirteenth floor" should be considered, even though it was a crappy film.

As for anime... Cowboy Bebop has a bunch of clever plot twists, and "Hotaru no Haka" (Grave of the Fireflies) has a pretty decent plot twist, even though the end of the movie is on the beggining. (NOT A SPOILER belive me)
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#198498
Topic
YIYF's Long Bridge Club
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/198498/action/topic#198498
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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
Yeah, I've been to ND more times than I ever ever thought I would, and I will be there again in one month and one day.

Which means I need to know the answers to the following 2 questions:

1. Will any TV channels in the USA be showing the World Cup? (soccer) How can I find out?
2. Can I legally bet on sporting events in the USA?


Ouch man, you're moving into the US on a World Cup year!