Anjohan said:

Video Update

https://streamable.com/uukjme

Tell me if you think this works. I did some re-editing to make the droid save Obi-Wan quicker, as suggested by Acbagel, and then re-structured the line (that i actually had removed from earlier) “The years have made you weak” with a slowed-down and disappoined “Obi-Wan” at the end of it. The purpose is to almost make Vader give up an immediate hunt because he is disappointed - but without it feeling to on the nose with something like “Escape. I will find you” or some clichè line you’ve heard in countless films and series.

I really really like.

Anjohan said:

A lot of good ideas and excellent discussions about the episode in here from the last day.

I honestly have no idea if I am going to include it or not as of yet - I haven’t even put it into my editing timeline, simply because I expect that the last two episode’s will be of great significance (they should!) and that I will have to cut this episode for pacing.

Unless episode 5 or 6 is filled with filler and useless or dumb moments, It might be hard to include this episode because no one would want to sit through a movie and watch a secondary/main character get kidnapped TWICE in the span of 50 minutes.

But let’s say that episode 5 is filled with about 20 out of 40 worthy minutes of content, and episode 6 the same, that would leave the possibility of an additional 20 minutes for the final cut - leaving some of the best from this episode in contention for screen time.

However, I deem it highly unlikely that the last two episodes will have a combined 40 minutes of wasted time, so this will be very, very interesting.

I have been wondering if you could make them part of the same kidnap?

Artan42 said:

CMMAP said:

Artan42 said:

You have to. I don’t know if episode 4 can be saved. It’s bad bad. No underwater security? Darth Vader now speed walks? Snow speeders just hover oddly? vader doesn’t kill failures? Obiwan thinks a trench coat for a disguise will work? I literally cannot think of one salvageable moment? What if Obiwan let the water come in and they will escaped through the water?

Either way it would be convinient and/or bad writing. How so? Obi-Wan doesn´t have the opportunity to look for a better disguise (per your argument) because the writers deem it to be that way. So your rhetorical questions running nowhere.

Unless the Empire has Bantha costumes knocking around for R&R events then there’s no disguise he could have worn at all that would have hidden Leia as well. That’s not the writing, that’s just bad viewing of a scene that doesn’t require other interpretation. Also bare in mind he made it to within a few metres of the shuttles so it must have been an effective disguise.

If Obiwan was in a Storm Trooper outfit with Leia in a supply crate being wheeled/hovered around, that could have worked. What if it wasn’t them caught, but then Tala for the earlier scene as a potential spy.

RogueLeader said:

Found this rescore of the Vader scene from Ep 4 that might be up your alley for this edit.

https://youtu.be/uALjoXJ0qRU

Before the score is added, I wonder if his walk in can be slowed 10% to feel
more like Prowse.

Sirius said:

Anjohan, you plan to cut the Vader/Reva scene of episode 4? Because Vader calmly accepting Obi-Wan escaping in episode 3, and then Vader clearly pissed off that Obi-Wan escaped in episode 4 is too strange, at least for me. Two completely different reactions to the same fact, one hours after the other.

I think you cut one of them, vader isn’t much of third chance kind of guy.

Acbagel said:

If you do have a way to enhance this episode into content for your edit Anjohan, then I will certainly support you in that endeavor.

I was expecting an explanation for why Vader didn’t go through the fire and a look into his psyche after seeing his master again, some deep Obi-wan character development after meeting Anakin for the first time in a decade, and redemption for the threat of the inquisitors, but this episode did not touch a single one of those aspects. Yes, we saw Kenobi start to get back into form but it was only seen in his actions in combat, not felt through good character development.

This was the shortest Star Wars live action episode we have ever had in anything, and for me the poor pacing overshadowed the few good moments that were present (Obi-wan in the water hallway, the tomb of dead Jedi, and Leia holding Obi’s hand). Like I said, there was only 15 minutes of screen time from when Obi-wan stepped foot on the inquisitor base to when he escaped with Leia. We were given the shortest live action production in the history of Star Wars after what happened last episode which makes no sense to me. From the get-go the pacing was wonky with the random rebel guy changing his mind in 30 seconds after suddenly remembering his deceased wife. Wade was introduced and died within 2 minutes, but it seemed like we were somehow supposed to care about him. Tala open hand godslaps a stormtrooper and shoots 2 of them precisely THREE seconds of screen time after Reva walks away… The hallway door hadn’t even closed yet, Reva was literally 10 feet down the hallway during this escape, how did she not turn around after hearing the blaster fire? I am flabbergasted as to how this is acceptable production quality. Perhaps I am letting expectation ruin this for me, but this was a 3.5/10 episode for me, very disappointing and by far the worst of the show.

Maybe there is a way to combine the best parts of Episode 2 with this episode 4 to make a coherent Act 1?

Interesting idea.

• Obiwan escapes Tattooine
• Inquisitor ship flies in
• Reva walks down Hall
• Vader comes in angry for failing on tattooine

That could work well.

G&G-Fan said:

The scene with Vader about to kill Reva was freakin’ awesome

Vader has killed for far less. That’s what threw me off, character inconsistencies.

Artan42 said:

revel911 said:

jrs81 said:

This episode just screamed TV filler episode and a bad one at that. Thankfully, it shouldn’t be too hard to skip it in the movie edits. While Obi-Wan is fighting Vader, Leia actually gets to the transport ship and is not intercepted by Reva. Also fixes the Reva magically appearing at the end of the tunnel.

Utilize the Bacta tank opening scene as a transition to “hopefully” Episode 5. Possibly utilize some of the other inquisitor base scenes to fill out transitions.

You have to. I don’t know if episode 4 can be saved. It’s bad bad. No underwater security? Darth Vader now speed walks? Snow speeders just hover oddly? vader doesn’t kill failures? Obiwan thinks a trench coat for a disguise will work? I literally cannot think of one salvageable moment? What if Obiwan let the water come in and they will escaped through the water?

Well it could be saved by you just watching it better.

There’s limited security because they feel confident nobody would attack a castle full of Sith, they say that at least twice. Vader can always walk quickly and has done before, he just mostly strolls out of choice. The speeders have appeared a single other time in VI where they had no need to hover so that’s not even slightly a valid criticism. Oddly enough Obi-Wan was trying to escape from the castle and didn’t have time to stop off in the TARDIS wardrobe for a better disguise and used the only thing he had at the time. Oh, and only Obi-Wan has a rebreather, how do you think he’s going to get Leia and the spy out underwater?

I am glad you enjoyed the episode, minus the bacta tank it is an episode that I found utter horrid. Each to their own.

jrs81 said:

This episode just screamed TV filler episode and a bad one at that. Thankfully, it shouldn’t be too hard to skip it in the movie edits. While Obi-Wan is fighting Vader, Leia actually gets to the transport ship and is not intercepted by Reva. Also fixes the Reva magically appearing at the end of the tunnel.

Utilize the Bacta tank opening scene as a transition to “hopefully” Episode 5. Possibly utilize some of the other inquisitor base scenes to fill out transitions.

You have to. I don’t know if episode 4 can be saved. It’s bad bad. No underwater security? Darth Vader now speed walks? Snow speeders just hover oddly? vader doesn’t kill failures? Obiwan thinks a trench coat for a disguise will work? I literally cannot think of one salvageable moment? What if Obiwan let the water come in and they will escaped through the water?

From a visual sense, it will will integrate well with the better lightsabers from Adywan.

The only thing that has always bothered me about the fan creation is how dang big Vader’s helmet is. It’s gigantic compared to normal.

Artan42 said:

Now if only we had the technology to scale up the Fifth Brother by about a dm and elongate the GIs head.

GI is in a few enough scenes, it may be slightly possible if you are careful with the liquefy tool. You won’t be able to change drastically, but you could tweak 15% or so.

Axios said:

I think most of us can agree that Disney’s dialog/writing is treating everyone like children. As for the “LESS IS MORE” like I mentioned before, this is mostly regarding scenes with unnecessary dialog/camera shots. many of the lines by the Inquisitors can be cut as well as like you have already done cutting the useless 4th scene of obi cutting meat.

All the writing since Empire has been somewhat dumbed down.

Did you ever try adding the Deepfake Luke in?

RogueLeader said:

Haha, in a way perhaps. His learner/master line (and his “underestimate my power” line) kind of makes me think a part of Vader wants to believe he is better than Obi-Wan. Vader may have built up this moment in his head for a long time, expecting another intense duel, only to be totally shocked by how little Obi-Wan put up a fight. I think the strategic reason is more about using Obi-Wan to find other enemies of the Empire, but I think there could be a more personal, selfish reason in there too.

We need some kind of “Stop, let him run.” line added to Vader. Good thing is we don’t have to match a mouth.

I saw this one on Reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/fanedits/comments/v3db3f/kenobi_needs_a_better_soundtrack/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Hitting the full Imperial March when Vader goes on full hunt mode elevates it from depressed to something more.

Acbagel said:

jrs81 said:

revel911 said:

jrs81 said:

The fire scene needs edited. take away Vader holding up his arm to block the fire. Vader is not bothered by fire. And let the Loader droid IMMEDIATELY enter the scene to grab OB1. This scene is drawn out way too long.

Do we know that since he may have ptsd from being burned?

In the comics, he walks through fire, lava, and more. His suit protects him from all of it. Vader would NOT be afraid of fire. He even built his castle on Mustufar.

Agreed, the entire sequence there I’m expecting him to walk through the fire unfazed, or at least force pull Kenobi back to him but he just… stares? I was confused, but perhaps we will get a glimpse into his decision next week so I’d hold off on making that change just yet.

It looked more like he was disappointed in Obi-wan and didn’t feel as interested.

jrs81 said:

The fire scene needs edited. take away Vader holding up his arm to block the fire. Vader is not bothered by fire. And let the Loader droid IMMEDIATELY enter the scene to grab OB1. This scene is drawn out way too long.

Do we know that since he may have ptsd from being burned?

This show / movie needs transition wipes and John Williams, it just never feels like Star Wars without those.

I don’t know how this plays out, but curious if this could end up a Mandalorian movie where he helps Boba Fett.

I would love a PMed link as well.