rcb

srry, let me refrase that. most puppets should be made cgi. there are some cases when you can make exceptions. you're right, the muppet movies woul've looked weird in cgi, but puppetry is wat made them famous. and ur right it does depend on the movie. in the case of star wars though, most puppets should be cgi.

well, i do think most of the fans are hard on lucas. i like him, he did a fairly well job. there just things i wished he didn't do. i'm sure though that the next generation think that lucas is awsome and can't believe he could come up with this kind of story and will be loyal to him for a time. then lucas will do something they don't like and will end up in our position. no offense. it just goes in cycles.

yea, the only book i understood was the hobbit. the LOTR tirlogy was hard to follow.

C3PX said:

AxiaEuxine said:

I can tell by the intelligence level of the posts here that there are very few kids. But you all seem to hate everything Star Wars. None of you seem to like the new MMO idea and Im very excited about that. You all hate the clone Wars and I think the show is awesome. And you all think the orginal theatrical release of the first trilogy is the end all be-all of human exsistence. (that is not meant to be snotty)

I suppose at the end of the day Im looking for a like-minded community to share my favoriteist hobby ever with and I cant share with you becuase anything post 83 you hate.

Well, as can be seen from the various comments, plenty of us like plenty of things post 1983. Such generalizations are not fair to anyone. We are out spoken about our opinions here, we are not afraid to say how we feel. We are not ashamed for disliking anything, or for liking anything. I think it odd you feel "none of" us seemed to like the new MMO idea, since if memory serves, just about as many of us who were disappointed in the idea expressed that they thought it was cool. Tons of people here absolutely love The Clone Wars cartoon, even I have admitted that while it is obviously aimed at the youngins and holds very little interest to me personally, that it isn't that bad of a show, and that if I were in the right age range I'd love it to death.

Countless times I has pronounced my deep love for X-Wing, a 1993 video game, Dark Forces (1995), Shadows of the Empire from (1996). Those three games are three of my absolute favorite bits of Star Wars. I have enjoyed many EU novels and comic books. As much as I dislike the PT as a whole, I have on numerous occasions mentioned my fondness of The Phantom Menace (1999) despite all its flaws. I have before mentioned really being excited about and enjoying the Special Editions of the SW trilogy (1997), but any fondness of the SE as an alternative version of the trilogy I had is sullied by having been burnt by not only having had my prefered versions ignored for a DVD release (after being told by their maker that if I want them, they are on VHS) but also by having the real SE that I enjoyed back in 1997 be ignored.

There are many post 1983 Star Wars things I absolutely love. Sure, there are a few around here who are strict 83 and nothing afters, as well as a few 77 onlys. There are many here who hate everything PT and EU. If I, a guy who loves many things EU, can get along quite well with guys who couldn't stand Empire Strikes Back (my favorite of the original trilogy) or anything that came after it, and if I can get along with guys who consider AOTC to be one of the best films, when I have only managed to sit through it twice and and couldn't imagine detesting a movie anymore than I detest that one, then why shouldn't you be able to get along with us? The bottom line is, you really seem to like SW. Well, so do we. Sorry if we manage to be pretty negative sometimes, but really, as many of us here who you find that don't like something, you will find others who do. We are a diverse group, and we respect each others likes and dislikes, that doesn't mean we wont voice our dislike for things, but we wont judge you for liking them.

As I have said before, we would love for you to stick around and become a regular part of this community. You really shouldn't get offended when we don't like something you like. Plenty of people here dislike things I like. Don't take things to heart so much. This can be a really fun place.

 

this place really can be fun!

there's a darth bane trilogy? i've only heard of two. when did the third one come out. btw, prequels to the prequels might be interesting, but you're right sky jedi, we have the books to read the prequels to the prequels.

C3PX said:

Kind of a silly debate, because it didn't happen that way, it is impossible to really know.

I am of the opinion that if The Phantom Menace was released in 1999 exactly as it was released, but without there ever having been an original trilogy, it would have met poor box office success. It would have been considered on par with most other kids action flicks. Without Star Wars having been a known and popular series, I really don't think it would have generated a whole lot of attention. Very likely sequels would not have even been made, but then again a lot of crappy movies get sequels. Of course, the prequels were so closely based off of the OT, it would be hard to imagine them existing without the OT having come first.

It is harder to imagine this scenario taking place back in 1977. Like someone else mentioned, it would be just another sci-fi movie. But it would have been a different movie entirely than the one we got.

Anyway, even if this was the case, I am not sure we would be complaining about the OT, which I guess we would call the ST, sequel trilogy. If it was as badly done as the PT was, then yeah, we might have a few gripes, but it really wouldn't be a big deal to me. Sequels continue a story, there are countless crappy sequels, but they are not near as annoying as prequels, because prequels go around and change the story you already new (to use a non SW example, we can look at ST: Enterprise. There was an episode where they ran into the Borg and nearly get assimilated all these years before Picard  made first contact with the Borg, which was suppose to be the very first anybody knew anything of them. Another episode had them run into some Ferangi, when once again, Picard and his crew go on a diplomatic mission to make first contact with the Ferangi all so many years later. These things screwed with continuity, and it pissed off fans. The PT did this same thing.

If there are any movies I dislike as much as AOTC, it is Terminator 3, and Alien Resurrection. Those are two other series I like alot, and both those movies are among the worse sequels the history of sequels has to offer. I simply do not watch those films, and my enjoyment of those series goes undeterred. For some reason, the prequels don't work the same. After seeing the two Hayden Christenson prequels, it was really hard to see Darth Vader the same way again.

Also, rcb, your theory seems to think that we hate the prequels simply because they are not the OT and for no other reason. This is why your logic tells you that if the PT=OT and OT=PT, then we would hate the OT and love the PT. But this is forgetting the important fact that the PT films were simply terrible awful films, from writing, to acting, to the very way they were filmed, they simply sucked. If the hypothetical OT that came out when the PT did because the PT came out when OT did, sucked as much as the real PT did, then I am sure many of us would have hated it, but I am sure we would not still be talking about it.

Hmm, hypothetically speaking, is the hypothetical 1977-83 PT on DVD in its original unaltered form and in anamorphic widescreen?

i'm not saying that all you guys do is bash the PT. i agree, the OT was better, But the PT, besides AOTC, were good movies. i wish george had someone like irvin kershner direct them or speilberg, it may have had some better acting. but the movies fall in line perfectly with how the novels are written.

a puppet is only looks more real if it moves and acts correctly, in this case yoda was perfect, otherwise puppets need to be replaced with cgi technology.

i prefer the episode II voice still. it sounds more like a real person.

and the wampa scene, well, i don't like how it was in the OT. you never really saw the wampa. idc for the chowing on the taun taun, but at least show him with his arm being sliced off.

still, adywan hasn't dissapointed before, and i'm sure i'll like it anyway.

good point!

see you auntie said:

^^ That's comedy gold right there.

rcb said:

The special effects would've been seen as aww inspiring! it would've been redone a hundred freaking times. we'd be bashing the OT instead of the PT to put it simply.

If you are so firm in your belief that this would be the case why did you ask the question in the first place?

 

 

i wanted to hear some opinions. and you do have a point scruffy. it would be stupid to show the PT in 77, because the plot for the OT would've been predictable and stupid that they save to show characters or revealations for the second or third movies when we already know it.

may i had that darth plaguise was palpatines master. how palguise took up palpatine idk.

the prophecy states that "the one consumed of mini chlorians will rise and banish the darkness and bring balance to the force." it might not be the exact wording, but yea. how it was invented, who the prophet was, and how it was known is a mystery to me.

btw, the majority of mandalorians are bounty hunters and they are raised as tough warriors.

tiptup, newsfalsh! it was 1977! and the whole it would of been a kid flick has been argued before and ANH was loved by adults and kids alike. Episode I may have been no different. besides, irvin kershner would've directed episode II and the dialogue wouldn't be so cheesy.

The special effects would've been seen as aww inspiring! it would've been redone a hundred freaking times. we'd be bashing the OT instead of the PT to put it simply.

Yea he had a problem.

so wat’s the opinions here? do you think it would’ve been better if the prequel trilogy came before the original trilogy? i’m guessing either way it still would’ve been big and instead of the PT, we’d be bashing the OT. no offense.

Mielr said:

AxiaEuxine said:

I love all the fan edits that this site does, but man you guys posts are exhuasting to read....do you like anything?

Yes- we like the 1977, 1980 and 1983 versions of the OT films, which is the reason this site was created.

This site was not originally created for fan edits. That has been a fortunate side-affect, but the main purpose of this site was and is to get the 1977, 1980 and 1983 versions of the OT films remastered and released in a up-to-date format (which today means anamorphic DVD or blu-ray).

Since the goal of this site has not yet been realized, I imagine (& hope) that there will be much talk about the subject for some time to come.

 

like what adywan's doing, its just filling in the gaps and mistakes the george lucas didn't fix so it will match up with the rest of the saga.

Mielr said:

AxiaEuxine said:

I love all the fan edits that this site does, but man you guys posts are exhuasting to read....do you like anything?

Yes- we like the 1977, 1980 and 1983 versions of the OT films, which is the reason this site was created.

This site was not originally created for fan edits. That has been a fortunate side-affect, but the main purpose of this site was and is to get the 1977, 1980 and 1983 versions of the OT films remastered and released in a up-to-date format (which today means anamorphic DVD or blu-ray).

Since the goal of this site has not yet been realized, I imagine (& hope) that there will be much talk about the subject for some time to come.

 

like what adywan's doing, its just filling in the gaps and mistakes the george lucas didn't fix so it will match up with the rest of the saga.

i'm sorry, but puppets look to fake in a movie. the only puppet i liked in any of the star wars movies was yoda. they actually took time on him to make him look real and not a puppet and easily excepted.

yea, but he always had a content look on his face. there were parts that he actually looked amazed or sad, but that was it. still, i prefer  the puppet yoda over the cgi yoda anyways.

well starkiller was the son of a jedi. i don't think we need to hear that story. and i did find it funny that vader/anakin are the chosen one and yet starkiller kicked the crap out of him.

we all need someone to talk to.

well it does kinda make sense. don't we freakout if our loved one cheats on you or wants to leave you. it pisses you off. so its understandable for jedi not to love or they risk the darkside.

i do know however that luke skywalker in the novels had changed that when establishing the new order. now jedi are allowed to love and you can become a jedi at any age as far as i know.

i liked the cgi jabba and the jabbas palace dance scene. it gave it a more, i'm not watching puppets, feel. anyways, the guy is banned and thanks for that! i guess he could sign up as a different person though.

the one thing they did do right is keep frank oz as the voice. no one could replace yodas voice. as for the mix like in jurassic park, for star wars fans it may look weird.

it was hard to make those expressions with a puppet though. just for kicks, i think it would look weird though, someone should just redo the whole daghobah scene with a cgi yoda.

majority of people here were around when it first came out, or saw the originals when they were young. its a generational thing.