rcb

couldn't we have a post that's a little bit more creative?

i'm just gonna be checking back when adywans finished the 1080P AVCHD of empire and any updates. otherwise, i'm gonna be in the general star wars discussion forum.

yea, that is an old one. its funny though the way that was made.

there's got to be boundary in there somewhere of when they can and cannot use the force.

adywan said:

rcb said:

nice. my birthday is going to rock if you're finished in march!

I can confidently say that it definitely won't be anywhere near ready for March. sorry. :)

 

 heck, i can wait. just get it rolling when you can. so what is the first change you plan on making?

nice. my birthday is going to rock if you're finished in march!

skyjedi2005 said:

You are probably right.  I guess i am guilty of Prequel bashing Again.

Maybe if Kiner worked on Real Star Wars and did not ruin a classic theme i would give him a chance.

Again i don't think he is a horrible artist i just think he is not the Epical feel of Star Wars.  He is just the guy they needed for a childrens cartoon however.  That is the problem the Movie was advertised as a movie that was animated star wars that could be another episode up there with 1-6.  Instead it was a proof of concept that they used to sell the show to the networks and was sold as a standalone film to make a buck.

Who would ever Accuse Lucas and Warners of False Advertising,lol .

I can sort of feel the matinee serial vibe for his clone wars music perhaps he should score the new Flash Gordon movie. 

Oh by the way his Wing Commander score was better than that awful movie deserved.  Though he had help from the David Arnold who scored Stargate the movie, and Independence Day.  They said Kiner would follow him in the biz with epic movie scores too bad he got shit on for being involved in a crap film.

He gets respect for his Sg-1 music which of course adapted Arnolds score for the small screen.

In a way i am almost happy and glad that he is making the music his own and not Copying williams.  There are too many artists who copy rather than create something different and new.

The music is different but not bad in fact in like the clone wars music for the movie and the series.  Only the Opening theme gets on my nerves, but i guess i can get used to it.

The funny thing is why does the music sometimes remind me of jungle music or tarzan or something.

 yea, i don't like the opening scene either. i wish it was the classic opening with  brief discription of the episode. his music isn't bad. i like some of it. i just haven't seen anything that has jumped out at me.

aside from star wars, i found hayden to be a good actor. i liked him in jumper, i hope they make a sequel, and also that movie awake. i think he was in one other. natalie portman seems more like she would've been better off as a teen actor. i think she was in the movie Mars Attacks.

The Golden Idol said:

Anyways, Ady, what are you working on now?

 

I'm really looking forward to seeing that "Yoda with CGI emotes" test clip. Is it coming soon?

 i'm more looking forward to seeing the battle of hoth. i cannot wait to see it.

srry, i met EU. its the last thing adywan mentions on his edits for the film. he says, "The EU doesn't exist to me anymore"

THANK YOU!

i know this is off topic but what does EV stand for?

i believe anakin was twenty, while padme was twenty four.

 i think george was trying to go back to like a romeo and juliet or some type of shakespear in the movie. if you've read the novel for episode I, anakin says he's one day gonna marry padme. what the hell is that? that is the corniest line for a ten year old and i'm glad it wasn't in the movie.

i liked the episode. next week though i heard they're going back to the three part mini-series of malevolence. where's the new episode?

i've never seen the incredibles

Gaffer Tape said:

negative1 said:

Gaffer Tape said:

Yes. And it looks weird to see Yoda, Palpatine, and Count Dooku fly through the air.

not to some people.

it was perfectly ok for me,

and i had no trouble believing it, or watching it....

if they had been like the slow/plodding fights of the old series THEN

it would have been dull and boring..

 

later

-1

 

Excuse me.  I was talking to rcb.  I don't mind that you answered for him, but since you did, I assume that you share all his opinions in this matter.  As such, I will respond to you in that assumed context.  And since rcb did just recently respond, I guess this is for both of you.

Rcb said he was able to get used to seeing old men characters fly and jump around in the prequels.  Negative 1 said it was perfectly okay.  I assume that negative 1 agrees with rcb that it would have been weird to see Alec Guiness and Darth Vader fly around.  How is it okay and acceptable for one set of characters but wrong and bizarre-looking for another?  Especially since both those OT characters have PT counterparts who are constantly seen jumping around like crazy.  And, as I said before, robots and old men have analogues in the PT that do those acrobatics.  I can't shake it from my head that you're implying a double standard only to support your opinion.

look at the actors flying in the PT and compare that to the OT. It would look weird. maybe not so much for vader, but obi-wan? he even says he's getting old for this sort of thing!

Chewy72 said:

I am going to give you guys a different take on the PT. First, I never expected the PT to be as good as the OT, so I never felt betrayed like many of my friends when they didn't live up. The big reason why I never expected them to be great is I felt it was impossible for Lucas to recapture the magic he had with the OT characters. How could he do it again and make new characters as good as Luke, Leia and Han? That was a lightning in a bottle and the chemistry was second to none in any movie I have ever scene.

As for the PT, I definitely have mixed emotions.  I do like the overall story it tells, and in that respect, it really tells a cool story 1-6 when you look it at in a macro sense.  I think Lucas miscalculated if you look at the 1-6 story as Anakin's, because it is definitely the worst written character of the Prequels. 

What I do to enjoy the PT is look at it in a macro sense, and look at the story 1-6 as the beginning as to how a democratic republic falls to corruption and is taken over by a dictatorship through War and Power, and then how a band of rebels fight back to bring the democracy back and end the destruction of Evil that haunts the galaxy for 20 years.

In that respect, Lucas is telling a pretty cool story, how Palpatine manipulates his way to the top, while getting elected, sort of the same way as Hitler did it.  Then all the characters are players in this macro story and you can follow them to the end as Luke, Leia, Han, and the rebels celebrate after they defeat tyranny. 

All in all, I don't hate the PT, yet I don't love it either, it is just there, cause it is SW, and it has its moments.  I still love the OT simply because they are better and aren't cluttered with Lucas problems that pervade the PT, but if you guys put aside Anakins story, and try to look at the 6 movies in a macro way, it really gives the OT alot more depth to already great trilogy.

 i agree. they're a lot of things wrong with the PT, but also things that gave you a whole new perspective of the star wars universe. unfortunatly when ANH came out, nothing will ever change that. It came out at the right time and change many. The Pt was just a way of filling in the blanks for those unanswered questions people had.

my mistake.

TheoOdo said:

I have to disagree, rcb, I feel wookies would fit right in. Perhaps a subtitled Admiral Ackbar or newly voiced Ackbar could be used to explain that the planet the Death Star II is orbiting is in fact Kashyyk and not Endor.

The enslavement of the wookies can be explained visually, if as the imperial cruiser in which Han, Luke, Leia and Chewie are riding arrives it flies over a clearing in the woods in which wookie slaves are toiling in a quarry, surrounded by stormtroopers. Chewbacca looks out on them on growls mournfully.

Everything else can be explained via subtitles (Chewbacca, on principal, would not be subtitled) and using the occasional grab from the radio series to fill in gaps of dialogue from 3P0 and Luke. A simple *growl* subtitled as something along the lines of "You should not have come back, exile" or something to that effect could be used to explain Chewbacca's relationship with this particular group of wookies. Luke pleads with the wookies claiming he is a Jedi and that if they do not free him he will use his powers (snippets taken from the radio series could be used here) and 3P0 protests, ultimately does as he is told and says this to the wookies. They don't believe him ("the Jedi are extinct, we cannot hope for help from them now"), but Luke's display convinces them and in a short subtitled conversation between Chewie and the chieftain he explains that with the Jedi there is now hope to free themselves from the imperials.


Now I'm rambling with ideas, but I'm basically trying to reiterate the point I've already made. It's possible.

 well, i can see how that could work. but it would go against the ROTJ novel. it describes ewoks. and after growing up seeing ewoks in the movie, it might look a little off. i guess you personally could redo those clips only with wookies and we can see what it looks like.

so who do you think is better? kerner or williams? in case you don't know, kerner does the music score for clone wars.

well instead of putting the romantic comedy in the PT, they had to go with the stupid drama/depressed predictable crap! that ruined the anakin, padme encounter for me in the last two movies. heck, in the clone wars movie when anakin sees the holographic image of padme, a tear goes down his cheeck. the romance between han and leia was much better, especially solo.

negative1 said:

Gaffer Tape said:

Yes. And it looks weird to see Yoda, Palpatine, and Count Dooku fly through the air.

not to some people.

it was perfectly ok for me,

and i had no trouble believing it, or watching it....

if they had been like the slow/plodding fights of the old series THEN

it would have been dull and boring..

 

later

-1

 

 the first time it looks weird, but later after awhile of watching it in AOTC and ROTS, it doesn't look so bad.

i can see why u'd say that. the ewoks were a little preschool for most people. but trading them in for wookies, it just wouldn't work. anyways, kashyke is the wookie homeworld.

i go by yoda's phiosophy. and one thing you need to think about, you think yoda's so powerful, he's been alive for like 800 years!

Vaderisnothayden said:

Gaffer Tape said:

I see that, briefly, the rationalization of the old man vs. the machine was used in this conversation.  I have to say that's one of my least favorites.  Thankfully, this thread moved on to users' preferences, because that's really the only way to gauge the fights.  I pretty much agree with a lot of what's been said here.  Empire's duel is my favorite.  It always has been since the first time I saw it.  It always felt the most real and the most grueling.  Jedi's was good too but in a different sense.  It has an emotional resonance, but since Luke refuses to fight for most of it, it doesn't have the same sense of action that Empire's had.  I also enjoy watching the prequels' fights because some of them do look cool, like in TPM.  I even enjoyed Vader vs. Obi-Wan, although the balancing on various bits of metal at the end broke my suspension of disbelief completely!

But the fights of the two trilogies were created under two totally different mindsets, choreographed by different people, and they just don't mesh together.  It's up to the viewer's preference if they prefer the more down-to-earth, grueling battles of the OT or the flashy acrobatics of the PT.  But to try to rationalize why the fights in the OT didn't look like the fights in the PT because of the old "Ben's an old man, and Vader's a robot" is just silly, especially because, even though George coined it, he largely ignored it.  Let's explore:

Ben's an old man--Yes, but there are old men characters in the prequels:  Dooku, Yoda, and Palpatine.

Vader's a robot--Somewhat, but there is a mechanical construct in the prequels:  General Grievous.

And, guess what?  All of those characters are constantly seen jumping around like they have briars up their asses, so... how exactly does this argument hold water?

In one of the Phantom Menace dvd featurettes Lucas says that we haven't seen a real Jedi fighting before the prequels and all we saw we're half-men half-droids and young boys trained by these old people. So the prequels fights were faster and more energetic because it's real Jedi in their prime in the prime of the Jedi. Or something like that. And I just don't buy it. I find it really hard to believe that during the filming of the OT Lucas was going "Let's make these guys slower, because they're not real Jedi and not up to Jedi standard." And that's not how the characters were portrayed. ESB Luke wasn't up to Jedi standard, but ROTJ Luke is portrayed as if he is. There's no indication whatsoever that Vader is supposed to be a useless fighter by Jedi standards, or that Kenobi isn't up to Jedi  standard either. In one of the drafts of the first film's screenplay Kenobi was supposed to be weaker in the force because he was older, but that was conspicuously lacking in what reached the screen. I think it's all just a stupid excuse invented in prequel times to account for how the prequels' fights are more energetic because modern screen fights are more energetic than old ones. And it's insulting to the old films, because it belittles the OT characters. Trust Lucas to do down the OT. God, does he REALLY want us to go through the OT thinking, "God, that Darth Vader is such a lame fighter, he couldn't hold his own against Salacious Crumb"?

 he made the decision of making the PT lightsaber battles more intense when he started on them. he never intended that the OT should be weaker and slower. hell, they were limited on technology during ANH. don't you think it would've look weird to see alec guiness fly through the air? or darth vader?