Nice! Which version of T2 is it (theatrical, SE, Ect.)? And will you be doing deleted scenes from either film? (dunno exactly what is included on the BDs so I'm not sure the deleted material is even available in HD)
I'm very happy to have found this thread!
The color correction looks great!
Is there any way the OP could be updated to list everything going on here?
georgec said:
The best aspects of Jedi are on par with the best parts in the other films.
Absolutely. Mark Hamil's performance is his best in the series and the stuff between Luke, Vader and the emperor is great.
That list of "50 reasons..." was brought up by Harmy because someone wanted to know what some people didn't like about ROTJ besides the ewoks and Fetts goofy death. I made a fairly large post de-bunking and defending the film against some of those "50 reasons..".
darth_ender said:
ROTJ is a good movie in my mind. I don't mind others disagreeing, and I see flaws with it as well, but I still love it. Opinions can differ from person to person, and we are not all idiots simply because we don't all think alike. I get really tired of people who tell me I'm stupid for enjoying ROTJ, or even for enjoying the PT
Nobody over there called anybody "stupid" or suggested anyone was a "idiot" for liking ROTJ.
That stop motion shot would be fine for a stop motion feature, but in Revisited it would stand out like a boner in sweatpants.
Harmy said:
you also have to consider that it's written a bit tongue-in-cheek, so the stuff like "sexually charged scenes" is probably meant as a bit of a hyperbole to make a point that it's just a bad idea to make Leia Luke's sister.
Yeah, you're right. But I hear this kind of thing quite a bit. "EEEW! Luke was all makin' out with his SISTER!!" Which never happened... I mean, yeah it's a bit awkward that Luke obviously thought she was hot, but... she was. So there :P
georgec said:
I was joking. I know he didn't actually take Han's clothes - they're standard fare for Corellians.
So, ALL Corellians wear the same thing? Lame. I've always assumed that they were in fact Hans clothes. Lando didn't have time to pack a bag before fleeing the city, so it makes sense that he would go through Hans closet for something clean to wear.
chyron8472 said:
if the Ewoks, Boba Fett's death and Lando aren't considered as the main issue, then I'm not sure what would be.
Harmy said:
This, with a few exceptions...
1. Ewoks, Ewoks, Ewoks – I like the role they play in the story, so I don't hate the idea here, but they look SO FAKE! And the physical comedy is just embarrassing.
12. Threepio – The article says that Han & Co. bring him along for no reason, but this isn't true. He's a translator and he proves himself very useful.
14. Luke – I totally disagree with the article here. Mark Hamil is the best thing in Jedi.
15. Surprise! They’re Brother and Sister! - It's a horrible plot device, but the talk of "sexually charged scenes" in the previous two movies is bullshit. She kissed Luke in ANH "for luck" she kisses him in Empire to make Han jealous and neither scene is remotely "sexually charged". Anybody who watches the films and sees a "love triangle" situation probably doesn't do to well with the ladies. It's clear from the shoot out in the cell block on that Leia has no interest in Luke and finds Han very attractive.
20. Boba Fett’s Death – I said earlier that i have no problem with Fett's death. What I should have said was "I have no problem with Fett dying." I do however find his "comedic" death terribly stupid and embarrassing.
35. Vader’s Real Face – Love Sebastian. The article is wrong on this one. Just plain old wrong.
49. The WIZARD OF OZ Homage at Jabba’s Front Door – I've never bought this idea. It's always seemed to me to be referencing North American speakeasys during prohibition. Give the secret knock, the little window slides open and an eye peers out to make sure you're recognized and have the password. ROTJ has a very cool sci-fi take on that.
Other things that the article doesn't point out is the SE song and dance in Jabbas palace and "Yub-Nub". Again, just embarrassing.
I've used the word "embarrassing" several times here. But it's these moments that make me realize that I don't want anybody who hasn't seen Star Wars to pop in Jedi saying "Ray has turned me on to other good movies, I'll give this a spin!"
I do like Jedi, but it's very flawed.
^That's a great idea, Burdokva! It may be late in the game, but I'd rather see the release date (which is non-existent) be pushed back and this idea used in ESB:R. That way Ady can also use it in ANH:R-HD and ROTJ:R so it's uniform through the Revisited trilogy.
chyron8472 said:
I love ROTJ, so that's a good thing. The Ewoks and Boba Fett's death never bothered me at all.
Me neither, but those two things are hardly what's wrong with ROTJ...
Of course it's Ewan. Why would a book called "Kenobi" be about an old Luke Skywalker?
NeverarGreat said:
I think that it was a rather missed opportunity for HISHE. They could have ended it a lot sooner.
"There goes another one."
"Fire."
Ha! I like it.
The Nerd said:
Original
EMPEROR: You may rise, my servant.
VADER: What is thy bidding, My Master?
EMPEROR: There is a grave disturbance in the Force.
VADER: I have felt it.
EMPEROR: Our situation is most precarious. We have a new enemy who could bring about our destruction.
VADER: Our destruction? Who?
EMPEROR: The son of Skywalker. You must destroy him...or he will be our undoing.
VADER: He's not a Jedi, he's just a boy. Obi-wan could not have taught him so much that...
EMPEROR: You are weak! I have seen it. The Force is strong with him. He must be destroyed.
VADER: But, if he could be turned, he would be a powerful ally.
EMPEROR: Yes...yes. That would be a great asset.
VADER: He will join us or die, my master.
Where did you get this from? 'Cause that's not how the dialog went in the original cut of the film.
Warbler said:
it looks like they got the 2nd suspect.
Yep. Got him alive. I'm glad this didn't end with his death.
SilverWook said:
I guess Harrison isn't coming on board after all!
Well that got my morning off to a great start! Gotta feeling I'll be showing that to friends all day...
thejediknighthusezni said:
^?!?!?!?! HALF THE POPULATION IS BEING SYSTEMATICALLY CONVINCED TO HAAATTTTEEE WHITE CHRISTIAN MALES IN A VICIOUS AND DISCRIMATORY WAY!!! It's empowering the TOTALITARIAN left to destroy EVERYTHING that has made this nation great and good and decent!!! It is enabling our foreign enemies to acquire WPM to give to terrorists to destroy American cities!! You think that crap isn't ripping apart the families of white Christians and making their lives impossible?!?!?
lol?
doubleofive said:
I think of it like the swamp creature that eats R2. It's just a danger of alien planets, not a plot point.timdiggerm said:
My problem with the original Wampa scene is that it's a lot less effective without any of the rest of the Wampa footage. Instead of a constant, creepy and mysterious menace on Hoth, we just get two scenes of something we never see. It's rather unsatisfactory and ruins the intended effect.
*Ding Ding Ding Ding!* Winner!
I'd say "new wave" fits them best overall. I hate genre labels though. All of my music files are listed as "Other".
I didn't say that... That's your idea quoted to look like it was me.
penguinofgreatness said:
Yeah. The original version left you to think of what the Wampa looked like. We had only seen a face arm shot, and a little later a shot of the face and chest covered by the arms. Only about 35% of the full thing. I don't ever remember seeing any shots of the Wampa on any poster, or books. So it was a mystery until the SE came out.
Joke recognition fail.
And the new wampa shots were not needed and ruined the suspense and mystery of the scene.
This change is very interesting compared to the rest of the SE. First, they had originally planed to fully show the wampa in ESB, but they scraped the footage because the suit looked fake. 2nd, compared to every other SE shot, the new effects look ok and blend with the "look" of the movie. This is one of the few big changes that doesn't want to make me scream when I see it. However, ultimately the change does screw with the suspense of the shot and it works better when you can't see the wampa. Ady's edit should totally have the original editing to the scene but show the full wampa after his arm is cut off. Does anyone know what he plans to do with that shot?
I'll admit that of all the big changes, it's the one I enjoy the most... hate the least, whichever way ya wanna look at it. I do like that it was done using physical effects instead of cgi. Adywan has built a brand new wampa to fix continuity errors, but is cutting the scene back to the original edit I believe.
penguinofgreatness said:
ray_afraid said:
It's also supposed to connect to the moment in AOTC when boba fett hits his head. I think George wanted it to look like an intentional thing that was cloned into the troops. Lame.
Preachin' to the pastor, friend. "the only thing that was poetic was that I was vomiting in stanzas."
It's also supposed to connect to the moment in AOTC when boba fett hits his head. I think George wanted it to look like an intentional thing that was cloned into the troops. Lame.
darth_ender said:
@ray_afraid, I will update when not at work. But how would you define them? According to Wikipedia, they at least started as a ska band.
Hmm.. they're hard to pin a genre label on.. And, yeah their first album had some ska... how 'bout "super-hero music group"? ;p
The Nerd said:
xhonzi said:
True dat.
The new Tampa scenes really warm up an otherwise kind of frigid movie.
Yeah. The original version left you to think of what the Wampa looked like. We had only seen a face arm shot, and a little later a shot of the face and chest covered by the arms. Only about 35% of the full thing. I don't ever remember seeing any shots of the Wampa on any poster, or books. So it was a mystery until the SE came out.
Joke recognition fail.
And the new wampa shots were not needed and ruined the suspense and mystery of the scene.
TV's Frink said:
I demand an Aquabats update.
Me too. They aren't a ska band. I demand corrections!
That pic from Logan's Run looks like what I wish the PT looked like. Retro fitting the PT is certainly the way to go.