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#784535
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Info: 'Captain Eo' - Laserdisc on Ebay; the movie or documentary?
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SilverWook said:

Disney used to have to make a lot of prints. Don't forget Star Tours originally used 70mm as well, and rides like The Haunted Mansion once used 16mm film loops for many of the "live" ghosts. I used to know where to look on that ride to spot the film projectors, and they were replaced with video projection sometime in the mid 80's.

There was an abbreviated version of the making of that played in the ride queue on tv monitors. That's what I suspect the Laserdisc might be from.

They never would have used LD to project the movie in the actual attraction.

 Fascinating stuff, I wonder how many prints had to be replaced and if they were always 70mm for Star Tours and Captain Eo?  

i guess laserdisc would not have held up on that large a screen.  I was thinking the wear and tear of film use would have caused them to maybe use it.

Its too bad that laserdisc from ebay is now lost in someone's collection and not shared in some way like the EditDroid disc.

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#784531
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Info: 'Captain Eo' - Laserdisc on Ebay; the movie or documentary?
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It's pretty fascinating that both a laserdisc and a 70mm print exists of Captain Eo.

The laserdisc had to be used for daily use in the park.  There is no way a 70mm print would have survived daily showings for years.  It would be fantastic if more of those laserdiscs were to leak out into the market.  How many could there be?

The 70mm print could have been used in the creation of the laserdisc.  So back in 1986 the film was transferred to 70mm and from there transferred to disc.  The ebay listing says the 70mm print was viewed at least once in New York.  Maybe some kind of industry screening for those on the East Coast.  If anything, that 70mm print is far rarer then the laserdisc.

It's also unfortunate that the MTV showing was full screen while the telecine was 2:35:1 or near it.  Also there are deleted scenes from Captain Eo we haven't seen.  In the Making of special it shows Angelica Houston Knighting Michael with a sword.  This doesn't exist in the final version.

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#781660
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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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This just showed up on Reddit from someone who has read the TFA novelization.

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/3drikx/prepare_salt_shakers_for_maximum_capacity_this/

Spoilers ahead of course.  This may also be BS who knows

"I'll break it down into plot devices by act.

Act 1

Poe is trying to incite a rebellion in Jakku against the First Order, who recently took over the system. A gang member sells him out and he is captured. The village he was trying to train is slaughtered like animals and when Finn doesn't partake Kylo Ren, who is parading around saying he's Luke Skywalker, butchers his close friend and has Finn detained.

Rey is trying desperately to leave Jakku, she's scavenging wrecks trying to find parts to restore the Millennium Falcon.

Finn inadvertently uses the Force to break out and helps Poe escape. They steal a TIE fighter, but it's shot down. Poe ejects before the crash, Finn is stuck in the TIE. Rey finds Finn and BB8 and the last parts she needs. Finn tells Rey he will pay her to take him off Jakku. Kylo Ren is informed Finn used the Force to escape. The Falcon finally starts up after Rey hits it.

Captain Phasma leads a group of TIE fighters after the Falcon.

The General tells Kylo Ren they can't wait any longer and that "He" wants them to fire the weapon.

Jakku's star is destroyed as the Falcon jumps to lights from previous coordinates.

Act 2

The Falcon comes out of hyperspace at Yavin. Fighters escort the Falcon down where Han and Chewie board anxiously as both thought the Falcon lost forever. Rey is searched and a lightsaber is found in her possession. Rey and Finn are taken to Maz, a local Jedi, to be determined as either light or darkside.

Maz senses the darkside in them, and ignites the lightsaber before saying in horror "it was his..." She uses the force to see how Rey found the lightsaber and determines it found her "for a terrible reason" and explains that only one person ever wielded it and didn't use it to commit atrocities.

This prompts Finn to speak up about who he thinks is Luke Skywalker leading the First Order and Maz decides to take them to Leia. The First Order is alerted that the First lightsaber of Darth Vader has been ignited after years of inactivity. Kylo retreats to a private area to speak with his master and tells him he believes they are after two force sensitive with Vader's first lightsaber. His master tells him to be mindful, that there is unbalanced in the Force and that something larger may be at play. Kylo orders an attack on Yavin to retrieve Finn and Rey. Maz presents Leia with the lightsaber, and Poe steps forward and defends Finn while nearly being knocked over by BB8. Finn is questioned about the First Order. He describes their Super Weapon and a secret base which is not yet complete and may be vulnerable to attack. Han tells Leia he still does not trust them because they had his ship and Chewie echoes this sentiment.

Alarms go off and Threepio alerts people a Star Destroyer has just come out of hyperspace. Poe leads an X Wing squadron against the TIE's and Han asks Chewie if he's up for another run. He then tells Rey and Finn they might as well make themselves useful.

They fight off the squadron and the First Order appears to retreat. Later that night though, Rey is captured and the temple/base is destroyed.

Han, Poe, Finn, Leia, Chewie, and Artoo all agree to rescue Rey and destroy the base, and hope to confront Luke and try to talk some sense into him (remember, we know it's Kylo Ren, the characters do not)

Act 3

Ren questions Rey about who she is, who her parents are, etc...

Rey doesn't know. She even tells him she doesn't have a last name.

He tells her he can feel the force is strong with her, and that she need not fear it.

He's interrupted and told that Resistance fighters are approaching.

There is a massive battle, but the base is more operational than originally believed. Han finds Kylo (who he believes to be Luke) and tries to talk to him. Kylo ends the conversation pretty quickly and has Han detained.

Republic Forces show up less by Ackbar, officially making this skirmish the First battle of a new Civil War. As the battle turns in the Resistance's favor, now aided by the Republic, General Hux activates an EMP like weapon that knocks every ship out of the sky and makes an escape. Rey notices an X Wing still in the air with colors and markings she'd never seen.

As she and Finn make a run for it, Kylo stops them. Finn tries to fight him and loses an arm. Rey holds her own, but Kylo uses the force to seize her throat and lift her in the air. Rey sees his thoughts in this moment. When he was young, his village was attacked, and his baby sister taken from him by a man with a robotic arm.

Kylo is aware Rey can see his thoughts and says "Kira..." Kylo is knocked to his feet by a hooded man with a green lightsaber. He engages him in a duel but is outmatched and flees.

Han is freed but badly injured.

Rey takes the Falcon away again to an isolated moon where Luke tries to talk to her, but she wants to be left alone. She insists.

Finn gets a robotic arm and Luke tells him he will train him.

The Republic is aware of the power of the First Order and will no longer take them lightly.

Word that the real Luke Skywalker has returned is spreading throughout systems threatened by the First Order. Rey builds a lightsaber.

Kylo Ren visits his master to face discipline for failing. Luke, a banged up Han, and Leia, look out of a bay at the Stars.

The reunion is sweet, and victory is theirs this day, but war has returned to the galaxy far far away...."

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#781506
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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Something is off about the whole GQ controversy.

Nobody in the mainstream press has ever done a "dirty" Star Wars pictorial when Lucas owned it, probably because he would have sued them into oblivion. (except for that Chewie Leia boob grab but that was pretty innocent compared to the GQ spread)

Disney gets the property and someone does one within months of the movie's release.  Disney acts "offended" but does nothing.

They never would have done that photoshoot without prior approval.  All smoke and mirror controversy.  Move along.

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#778948
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Anakin's official history
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ray_afraid said:

ratpack1961 said:

As for Luke Skywalker, maybe it's a common name or not a rare name in the galaxy.  Or the people on Tatooine like Wormie and Fixer just don't care.

 Isn't Wormie Luke's nickname?
And how do ya think he got that nickname?
Does he often eat bad foods that give him worms?
Something to do with sandwordms? (I hate those things, huhhuh.)
Is it ever mentioned anywhere?
Can I ask some more questions?

 Yep, your right! Wormie was Luke.  I should have said Fixer and Windy (the girl).

I think we definitely need a Wormie explanation.  Lucas needs to start using twitter so we can bug him with this kind of thing.

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#778740
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Anakin's official history
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Vader in the OT never references Anakin in any direct way.  He only references him in the ESB SE during the new Palpatine segment

He only says "That name no longer has any meaning for me".  That part of himself is gone, or so he thought.  But that's not really referring to himself in 3rd person.

The Rebels Season 2 premiere has him referring to Anakin in the 3rd person.  I think that's the first time we hear Vader refer to him as a separate person.  I'd say that's a rare error on Filoni's end.

As for the republic knowing about Anakin, that character basically disappeared after Order 66.  It's doubtful most people of the galaxy put Vader and Anakin together as the same person.

As for Luke Skywalker, maybe it's a common name or not a rare name in the galaxy.  Or the people on Tatooine like Wormie and Fixer just don't care.  When ANH was written, Luke's father was simply a great pilot and jedi so his son living on some backwater planet is not that far fetched.

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#773527
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THX 1138 &quot;preservations&quot; + the 'THX 1138 Italian Cut' project (Released)
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towne32 said:

AntcuFaalb said:

towne32 said:

Thanks AntcuFaalb!

The scene in question for anyone curious but not familiar: 

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2s7m2s

This hyperlink gives me a 403.

Ah, private videos are different than on youtube.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k1es78dhT0YjLZboeTa

That's a great clip with the extended footage.  Was that the Italian version combined with a current print or the new 16 mm version available?

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#772804
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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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Since we're openly talking about the story now, here's been my thoughts for some time.

Finn is a terrible character from the story rumors.  He's weak and is always in trouble.  The idea that he suddenly wields a lightsaber with some skill and we're supposed to buy that is just silly. 

I like Rey, she's the only decent main character.  Her turning away from her destiny and then deciding at the end to face it is pretty average stuff though.

Kylo Ren is boring design wise.  Another male villian.  I wanted Ventress or anything different then what we've seen before.

The flashback sequence is terrible. 

Han Solo in a freighter in the same orbit that happens to pick up the falcon which he hasn't seen in years.  That's some amazing coincidences there.

Two castles in the same movie with a hero and villian castle.  Did they run out of ideas?

And the big whopper: That Luke is almost not in the movie.  At all.  One scene with Mark Hamill.  What are they thinking?

I'm predicting prequel era hate for this film.  It's going to be a whole new generation of disappointed fans from a nice trailer.

Or it could be a great film.  Who knows.

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#772625
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How you pictured Anakin pre-PT
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I had imagined Anakin to be a Han Solo type, a hotshot pilot who is the best in the galaxy who also happens to be knowledgeable in the force.

It would also explain why Leia was interested in Han.  Han would have been like her father.

We saw abit of this cocky attitude in Clones.  I'm abit more forgiving on Hayden then most since part of his portrayal adds up to what I was expecting of the character.

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#770047
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Bonus Material You'd Like to See Released
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darth_ender said:

The stormtroopers/wampa footage is indeed on the BDs.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xsah77_star-wars-episode-v-deleted-scenes-wampa-attacks_shortfilms

(Around the 2:00 mark)

What I really want to see more than anything is the so-called "Lost Cut" we've all heard so much about.  It drives me crazy that this hasn't seen the light of day with all that amazing alternate footage.

 You're right, I knew I should have double checked that BD footage before posting.

Yeah the Lost Cut is the original workprint they put together.  The original Lucas version of ESB, if it even exists still, would be amazing to see.

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#769844
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Bonus Material You'd Like to See Released
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We still haven't seen the Stormtroopers running into the Wampas holding room in ESB.  Just stills.  Also the scenes with Ree Yees and the other alien arguing around R2 in Jedi on the sail barge.

What I'd really love to see are the original workprint versions of the OT. The original versions of SW and ESB are especially interesting because they are put together so differently.  In Skywalking they talk about Lucas' version of ESB losing character moments and being really fast.  Would love to see his version of trying to make the film work.

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#768070
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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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pablumatic said:

DavidMerrick said:

 Well Hamill said he grew out a "contractually obligated" beard, which could be a joke but he was sporting one for all of filming. It doesn't make sense that he'd go full cyborg and lose everything that makes him identifiable as a character.

Provided Abrams' version of the Sith go by the master and apprentice rule, perhaps cyborg dude is the master.

 Right or wrong I'm going to stay with the Luke is the cyborg speculation and consider the beard an official misdirection. The next trailer could likely prove me completely off-base. :)

 I think the cyborg aspect may have just been pre-production concepts for Adam Driver's character that they decided to discard.

At some point, maybe someone in production thought that seeing Adam's face as opposed to a cyborg worked better. 

I really doubt the cyborg is Luke.  In fact Luke is probably just a cameo at the end of the film along with the flashback sequence earlier in the film where he's younger (that scene in the trailer).

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#765498
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Fan Edits getting &quot;trolled&quot; by new kids on the block
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bkev said:

No, not you -- I mean the MakingStarWars guy.  Should've just left Facebook to Facebook.  He seems like a pretty nice guy in all other cases where I've seen his name.  

In all fairness to him, though, I've seen the same problem here in other cases.  Star Wars just gets people so riled up.  It's crazy.  

Sorry about that, I could have made it clearer.

 No worries :)

I'm glad to hear that Adywan and the Makingstarwars guy patched it up in the later posts of that thread.  I didn't read through all of it, that first page was pretty infuriating.

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#765494
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Fan Edits getting &quot;trolled&quot; by new kids on the block
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bkev said:

TV's Frink said:

dclarkg said:

2011?

''move along, move along''

 This is worth mentioning again.  The OP seems to have missed the date and that everyone else has moved on.

 Has anyone even bothered spot-checking the thread past the first page?  Adywan apologized and they seem to have buried the hatchet that was made, oh, four years ago.

While I don't find it mature to vent on forums (in either case) it's none of my business anyway.  Move along, move along.

 Yeah venting and expressing an opinion is not mature at all.  Except for the whole communication and sharing part which is the point of a forum.

Yeesh.

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#765491
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Fan Edits getting &quot;trolled&quot; by new kids on the block
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I'm in shock at reading the back and forth between Adywan and that Makingstarwars individual.  Posting to vent my anger mostly.

Adywan is a really respected member of the community with serious editing skills.  He's been making fan edits for years that people have enjoyed.  This Makingstarwars guy shows up within the last year and suddenly behaves like an expert and authority.  I wouldn't be surprised if 3 years ago you asked him what his favorite series was and he'd say Harry Potter.

He obviously has a few connections within the Lucasfilm or Disney production line which gives him enough access to make his little teaser site.  But his disrespectful attitude towards another hardcore star wars fan is terrible.  I guess when he moves on to Dragonball or another popular series this will all be forgotten.

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#764628
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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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I think the reason people are reacting to Harrison in the trailer the way they are is because people have been wanting a film with the original cast again for many years.  If you remember back in 1997-98 when they announced the prequels, people still thought Luke, Leia and Han would show up.  They had to do alot of education in the press (and calling it episode 1) to bring home the point that they wouldn't show up.

So finally, alot of the old and casual fans are getting what they want.  The old trio back again and the old ships too.  Maybe it really will all work again like the original trilogy.  The trailer was certainly pretty good.

The sequel trilogy I would have wanted would have more advanced looking ships.  The one thing about the prequels that worked so well was the design was so new and different.  It wasn't tired.  Bringing back x wings and ties is fun but how original is it all going to be?

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#764379
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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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Alderaan said:

rpvee said:

The Empire is now The First Order

The Rebellion is now The Resistance

 Seems like brand destruction and a dumb change to me.

 So the Rebels are victorious at the battle of Endor and 30 years later they are still the resistance?

The Empire defeated, the emperor gone but the imperials are still in power as the First Order?

I think JJ is trying to recycle the OT way too much here.  I get it, he doesn't like the prequels (watch his keynote where he ignores their existence in a question) but certainly the Rebels would be in power now after 30 damn years and the Emperor destroyed?

I guess I'm clinging to the New Republic EU but honestly it did make sense.  More then the Resistance/First Order stuff.

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#764238
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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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JawsTDS said:

The shot of the storm troopers all lined in front of the giant red flag was chilling. Granted, this is only a teaser, but it looks as if the film will be darker than I had previously expected from the first teaser. 

 That's a great shot.  It's very reminiscent of the opening of the first draft treatment of ANH where the emperor reviews the troops.

The only shot in the trailer I'm not sure what's going on is where the lightsaber is handed to the person on the left.  I'm thinking thats where the Rose character hands it to Rai but since all we have is hands to go on its hard to tell.

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#756187
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Film cells from a Technicolor print on ebay
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danny_boy said:

skyjedi2005 said:

Were the seps misaligned or just missing a color layer?

I have heard of other restorations where either a layer was missing or was accidentally duplicated.

Is this why we have so much more dirt and grain than what was originally exhibited in 1977.  Because they did a bad job?

 

At 51:20 :

http://www.dga.org/Events/2011/04-april-2011/George-Lucas-on-Star-Wars.aspx

.......Lucas says he went to Poland and Czechoslovakia to retrieve prints.

In other words huge chunks of the special edition are based off 35mm release prints.

Having watched the 2011 bluray  upscaled to 4K it easy to determine 1st generation negs from dupe stocks.

The discrepancies have been equalized by DNR.

 Thank you for posting this DGA link.  I must have seen this at one time but watching it again was pretty fascinating.

Besides the preservation conversation, his tale about the editing of the picture is definitely revisionist.  He talks about firing the original editor and then hiring "assistant editors" to help him complete the film.  In George's eyes he edited the film with some assistants helping him.

Those "assistants" won the academy award for their work.

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#756096
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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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Latverian said:

This comes from a very trusted source. 

Ok, so Kylo Ren is NOT the villian, at least not in this film. Kylo ren is the arc of the trilogy. He is going to be what anakin should have been shown like.with a much diffrrent story and back ground of course

what you see in the trailier us kylo training as a jedi. that scene is his training of confronting the dark side of the force and then be able to move past it.But Ren truly does get seduced by what he findd behind that door. he does not turn to the dark side willingly. according to what im told as part of a jedis training they mudt confront the dark side and as with a drug each time youtoy with it it does indeed make you stronger but thatcomes at a price. you keep toyinh with it it will eventually take you over as with a strong dryg. kylo keeps toying wiyh the dsrk side as it makes him stronger and stronger. his intentions are noble. to ude this strength  to battle evil and help the jedi caude.

he DOES NOT kill ham dolom as a matter of fact kylo tries to save solos life by sacrificing his own in a scene thats much like the ben affleclk bruce willis scene innarmagefdon. kylo stands up and sayd ill be the hero and do this but solo tricks him and says its not your time. thats not a quote from the scene but me exxplaini g it.

kylo ren is a character we grow to truly  love and admirr and we seen this good man suddnly fall into an abysd with a final showdown with luke in episode 9.

hope that spoiler did nkt ruin anything for anyone

 

Ok if this is true then..

1. Who is leading the troops in burning down the village? Also seen in the trailer?

2. Supposadly Kylo Ren is in a flashback where he and a few others murder jedi apprentices.  Who is this person then in that scene?

3. Who kills Han Solo?