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Hmm! Now, that’s feeling really good!

Maybe crop in on the two Kylo reaction shots to hide the repeats a little bit?

Hal 9000 said:

That’s certainly interesting, but it probably would have read as very strange in the theater.

That was my feeling too. I think DZ-330’s approach is cleaner, but then we lose that final exchange between Kylo and Rey.

stevepaynter, I’ve played with the broadcast a little, but always came back to the simple personal “Find me” directed to Kylo. I think the broadcast might be too grand in scope for this moment.

That’s nice! I thought about cutting the Rey/Kylo moment to help focus the scene, and it’s definitely much cleaner that way. Nice work on the interference sounds too. Could you send me the sound effect you used? I think I’d like to add it to what I was using. I might take down the reverb on the voice a little bit (btw I PM’d you the Palpatine audio).

I guess the question I struggle with is: do we have to lose the final Rey/Kylo moment? It’s so great, but I think it’s an either/or deal.

I made a simple mashup of the Imperial March and the Emperor’s theme for something I’m playing with for TLJ. I don’t know if it’s what you’re looking for Hal, but figured I’d post it!

https://vimeo.com/382080137
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I’ve listened to the addition of the Palpatine laugh during the last Luke/Kylo flashback and it sounds perfect! Great job, Hal and TiMartyn!

For the Crait scene, I like DZ-330’s addition of “Find me” just as Rey and Kylo connect. I think that’s another nice tease, but I wanted to play with something that would be more of a reveal.

So, and this may be nutso nonsense, I tried to make a Palpatine moment in the radio room on Crait with Kylo-Ren.
https://vimeo.com/382080092
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I can see some questions this might raise: is Palp using the radio (is this his broadcast) or is this really a force connection moment? Is this too much happening in the scene, with the dice, the Palpatine moment, and the Rey/Kylo moment? I like the way it feels tonally, but wonder if it makes sense otherwise! I also think it could serve as both a tease and as a reveal, making it compatible with all future TROS edits.

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Hal 9000 said:

That could work well in Rey’s Force vision in TFA.

“Find me. It is unavoidable. It is your destiny.”

Love that idea! Would be a great early tease.

I’m playing with something in TLJ that’s not really working at the moment, but will keep tinkering.

Axios and Abbla,

That’s an interesting idea! A hood would be a pretty subtle tease I think. People might also think that’s Obi-Wan Kenobi.

But I also wonder if that takes away from the meaning of the scene, which is Rey’s disappointment and continued loneliness, which leads her to seek out companionship in Kylo-Ren.

Thanks DZ, no need for the PM. I woke up this morning and realized those lines, so I grabbed the audio to play with. Thanks!

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DZ-330, that’s well done! Definitely something to consider. Where did you get the audio of Palpatine saying “Find Me”? I would love to play with that.

Thanks!

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DZ-330, thanks for sending those ideas! I definitely want to look at the Palpatine addition to The Kylo flashback. That’s the kind of foreshadowing that feels appropriate, since it’s not distracting as is open to interpretation.

And I definitely want to do something at the end or after the battle of Crait. Not a whole scene, but I’m thinking something when Kylo is in the radio room where he finds the dice.

I haven’t had a chance to play with it yet, but hopefully soon!

VaderLovesU said:

It would be ok to hint of a sinister and mysterious dark force out there for Ren to go investigate. But better to not imply it’s Palpatine. He should have never been a part of the trailers, Fornite, or the opening crawl. Imagine if they had kept that reveal a secret. I think the key to a good TROS edit is to see how long the reveal of Palp can be reasonably delayed.

That’s fair. It’s a good question; what if Palpatine has been kept out of all of the trailers, games, and the opening crawl? The thing is, I think it would have fallen flat for me. It would feel like they just introduced it so we can have a new bad guy, rather than it being part of the story the whole time.

I would like to tease something at the end of TLJ.

stevepaynter,

That’s precisely where I was thinking of teasing it. I’m not sure if I would use the whole broadcast though, or just a bit of his voice with some laughter. It depends how it feels in the edit. The fortnite broadcast, to my knowledge, is not clean so we’d have the make the music work as is.

I do have a music track in mind that I’d love to use if we can get the fortnite broadcast clean.

DominicCobb, that makes sense to me. I assumed, especially when Poe said something like “you mean when Poe’s not around?”, that they were setting up a love triangle. When Rey and Poe met at the end of TLJ there seemed like there might have been a mutual attraction, or at least leaving that as a possibility.

One thing that was nice about TROS was having our three main characters (and Ren at times) together for such a long stretch. It’s something the first two films lacked, I think.

(Sorry for the long post, I hope this is okay, as I think it relates to Fanedit decisions)

I’ve been wondering how much of Rey Palpatine was planned from the start. While I did love the Rey Nobody concept of TLJ, I think a lot of track was laid for Rey Palpatine throughout the trilogy.

In TFA, Rey is kind of a natural with the force, instinctively using the Jedi mind trick on a stormtrooper and fighting back against Kylo’s mind attack. I was never bothered by Rey’s aptitude with the force or her fighting ability, but I did always wonder where she would even get the idea of trying a mind trick on a stormtrooper. If she has a connection to past force users, that starts to make a little more sense to me.

I read somewhere, and I’m sorry I can’t remember where and give credit, that Rey has the typical backstory of a villain: a poor orphan discarded and left for dead by her family, forced to scavenge for survival. The difference, of course, is that Rey has a different spirit. That theme struck with me in TROS; that you are not defined by your blood. It’s still not as open as “anybody can be a powerful force user”, but I do like it.

The Last Jedi lays even more track for this, despite the fakeout of her nobody parents. Rey is quickly attracted and open to the dark side, doesn’t even fight it, which scares Luke. If only he were wise enough to know the larger truth (that Yoda seemed to see) that one’s spirit is more revelatory than their birth. She spends the whole movie torn between the light and dark, conflicted and confused. She seeks guidance from Luke and then Kylo Ren, but neither could really help her because they didn’t truly understand her. How could anyone, given her true identity?

Subtle clues can also be found in the musical score going back to TFA. This is an interview with a composer on Classical Classroom where they analyzed the new score shortly after TFA’s release:
https://soundcloud.com/classicalclassroom/classicalclassroom-show115-bmitchell-starwars201final

(go to 35:10)
Essentially, there’s a part of Rey’s theme that matches up with the Dies irae of the Requiem Mass. Dies irae means “Day of Wrath”; very ominous to say the least, but makes me think Rey’s journey was plotted a little more carefully than we’d think.

These are the things that resonated with me throughout the trilogy, and while I think it could have been better executed, and though I was a huge fan of Rey Nobody, when the Rey Palpatine reveal happened it made immediate sense to me.

Hey, thank you both and happy holidays!

The credit for the additional Canto Bight material must go entirely to Hal 9000 and jarbear for Hal 9000’s Legendary edit.

I’m so glad V2 is going well! It looks like there will need to be some adjustments down the road to help set up TROS, and possibly an interim update to adjust audio levels in the shuttle scene.

For TROS, I want to look at hinting at Palpatine a couple of times after the battle of Crait ends, either using the radio or end credits (or both). I think that’s precisely what was always missing from the end of TLJ, because the way it ended left nothing to anticipate for TROS.

Hal 9000 said:

It’d be very nice to somehow link the massive fleet arriving to support the Resistance with the legend of Luke Skywalker, but I’m not sure how. Adding it to the crawl wouldn’t compliment the film up until the end seeming like the Resistance was still pretty much alone.

This is one of the biggest things from TLJ that was lost in the new film. TLJ built up so well to the moment when Luke is able to become the legend everyone wants him to be, and help respark the rebellion. But in TROS, it doesn’t seem to have had much of an effect. There were so many opportunities when new characters were introduced to say something about hearing of Luke’s sacrifice.

Yeah I think that makes sense. Luke’s gone, Kylo-Ren is in charge of the First Order, the Resistance nearly crushed, and he figures everyone else will fall in line. His big comeback also attract Rey, who will either replace him or restore his power (when he drains her and Ren).

Execute Order…Final Order…shit, cut! Can we go again?

His overconfidence is his weakness?

This Fortnite tie-in is nuts. I wonder if we’ll be able to get a clean recording. Would be nice to have options for how to use it.

Thanks! I will take another look at the mix there. It will be a few days before I am home. If I make a fix, I will repost the files with updated dates, and also make a new folder with just the DTS and AC-3 files for those who would rather remux the audio themselves to save download time.

As someone who avoided all spoilers after the teaser trailer (meaning all I knew was that Palpatine was somehow returning), I was shocked how the Palpatine reveal was so abruptly dumped into the title crawl. It felt like the trailers were being treated as part of the actual story to save time. But if you watch just the movies, it comes out of nowhere!

I love DominicCobb’s alternate title crawl. It saves the reveal for the actual film, when Kylo-Ren finds him.

Another option, as many have said, is to plant the seed at the end of TLJ. One thought I had is that so much is made of the Resistance sending out a signal for help, and no one answering. It’s reinforced again in TROS. What if they did get an answer, from Palpatine? The radio crackles, and maybe we just hear his iconic laugh. Just a tease at the end to build up anticipation for TROS.

I’m not sure how you’d do it visually. There are a few shots on Crait of the radio and Leia looking disheartened. There’s the shot just before the door is blasted where Leia is looking around the base and the radio is saying “the cannon is warming up now”. The look on her face would also work for the shock of a surprise transmission from Palpatine. You’d have to move the shot to after the climax, though, as you can’t interrupt TLJ story with Palpatine. I don’t know how well that would cut together.

Kylo-Ren is also in the radio room later where he finds the dice. Maybe that’s the time to do it. You hear some crackling and cut to closeup of the radio, where Palpatine’s laugh starts coming through. Then we cut to a closeup of Kylo-Ren with either a look of surprise, confusion, or a simple head turn, reinforced with Palpatine score. This would actually match up well with DominicCobb’s new title crawl, as it provides motivation for Kylo-Ren to search “for the source of his former master’s dark power”.

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InitAbsolute, thanks for the feedback and that note about the volume. I’ll have to check that again, thank you! To be clear, are you talking about the Poe/Finn hallway scene or the Finn/Rose shuttle scene?

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