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#1319968
Topic
The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released)
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jarbear, just updated the subtle version with a faster flare or his eyes (same link as above).

idir, glad the strong version is working! I’m not sure I want to reveal his true nature here so much as hint at it. There’s so much happening in this moment already, with the tension between Rey and Kylo-Ren and the anticipation of what Ren will do. I don’t want to distract from that. I just want to drop a hint here, where if someone were to go back and look they might find this clue.

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#1319960
Topic
The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released)
Time

Totally with you guys I think. The eyes could distract from one of the film’s major moments.

Just to play it out a little further, though, here’s two options, one which is even stronger on the eyes than before, with brighter yellow. The other is a more subtle, briefer flare of the eyes as he’s struck by the lightsaber that quickly dissipates.

Snoke Sith Death Strong

Snoke Sith Death Subtle

pw for both: fanedit

EDIT: jarbear, didn’t see your last post until I posted, but I think my subtle version is the kind of thing you’re thinking about! I think maybe it could be even faster? Good to know we’re on the same page!

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#1319916
Topic
The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released)
Time

Regarding the eyes, I would much rather go for something that closer matches Palpatine from the original trilogy than Darth Maul, especially since Palpatine is who we are teasing.

I used two different weights of Snoke’s eye color intensity, one for when he is first struck by the lightsaber…

And one for when it settles a little. I felt like this would look more subtle and appropriate for resting Sith eyes.

I could keep the more intense look longer (which to me, if anything, appears too strong and more Maul than Palpatine). I also have control over the thickness and softness of the red ring around the yellow, which can be smoothed out a little, but again, I want to keep it in line with Palpatine (who has a thin sharp red ring) as much as possible.

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#1319777
Topic
The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released)
Time

And now for something completely different! Here’s a first pass of Snoke’s sith eyes at his death, and blue essence/smoke as he’s split in half (in background out of focus).

Snoke Sith Death (V1)
pw: fanedit

Edit: to give a little more detail here, looking at smpearce1981’s comment below, there’s a lot of flexibility here given how well I feel the eye tracking went. I’m probably showing more than is necessary in this first pass, and can dial anything back. My thought with starting strong with the red/yellow eyes was that as Snoke is stabbed, he’s stunned and briefly lets the mask over his true identity slip, which is why it flares on stronger. But I think a lighter touch here and subtlety is always a good direction to go, and I agree if Snoke is a Palpatine puppet, he surprise may just be an act.

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#1319766
Topic
The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released)
Time

DZ-330 said:

Might not be possible, but would there be a way to make force ghost Yoda actually look like a force ghost?

While it may not look exactly like it did in the OT, it’s similar enough to me and is consistent with Luke in the TROS. It honestly never bothered me.

IA, thanks for the feedback, I take your points! When I revisit the scene, I may take a look at playing with the light rays or adding slight camera movement so it doesn’t seem so static (no pun intended). As for the general idea of scene, I think/hope it’s more of a tease than a full reveal, as Ash described. If we were going back in time, I would say the goal would be to plant the idea of something new, like Yoda in ESB (“there is another”), giving people something to talk about and anticipate for IX. This also should work with any edit of TROS, whether it’s with the theatrical crawl or saving the big reveal for Exegol.

jarbear (and everyone), I appreciate the encouragement! I haven’t looked at the Palpatine contact in the last day, but right now I’m leaning towards 4E, which only has one repeated shot (that’s cropped and retimed).

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#1319610
Topic
The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released)
Time

So glad to hear the new hood is feeling good, and that 4E is sitting well with people! That is the current version in the cut, but I’ll still take a look with fresh eyes and try other stuff in the meantime! Speaking of…

stevepaynter said:

Did you still have plans for the showing hints that Palpatine is controlling Snoke when he his sliced in half? Suggestions have been showing Snoke with dark side yellow eyes and a blue essence leaving his body.

I did, and actually I was playing with it today and was very happy with how well the tracking on the eyes came out. I should be able to post something in the next day or two!

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#1319577
Topic
The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released)
Time

I think I’d rather keep the mystery and subtlety than do anything explicit. I’m happy with broken words and then “Find me.” I appreciate the offer for voice help, though!

I think we have 2-3 good options that are very similar, so I’d like to step away from it for now, and look at it with fresh eyes before making a decision and final tweaks.

So, in that spirit, I’ve made another pass of the Mirror Cave scene, moving the appearance of the hood later as Axios and others have suggested!

Dark Side Cave Whispers and Hood (V4)
PW: fanedit

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#1319334
Topic
The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released)
Time

Sorry for so much posting!

I updated 4D V3, retiming and recropping the end shot of Kylo’s eyes, hoping it no longer feels like a duplicate and more of just cutting back to the same camera angle.

So the three options I’m considering are:

Palpatine Contact Option 4E
PW: fanedit
Description: Twitch shot restored to theatrical spot. Ends on long dolly shot.

Palpatine Contact Option 4D (V2)
PW: fanedit
Description: Twitch on “Find Me”, ends on radio shot with signal totally gone.

Palpatine Contact Option 4D (V3)
PW: fanedit
Description: Twitch on “Find Me”, ends on Kylo eyes closeup, retimed and cropped.

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#1319327
Topic
The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released)
Time

I did too. It kind of felt like he was unraveling, wondering if he was losing it.

I do like ending on a shot of Kylo though. Just to throw a monkey wrench into everything, I’ll say my personal favorite was actually the 4D V3! There’s something exciting and terrifying about ending on the closeup of Kylo’s eyes, even if it is a repeated shot. I guess to me his reactions are so understated it just looks like cutting back to the same camera angle, and not the same exact shot.

Well, anyway, I’m curious to hear what everyone thinks. I’m overall happy with any of the D or E options.

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#1319315
Topic
The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released)
Time

Hello, here’s an Option E! For this version, I’ve returned the twitch shot to original theatrical spot, and reduced the cutting back and forth to the radio, now ending on the long dolly shot.

Palpatine Contact Option 4E
PW: fanedit

Axios, thanks for your thoughts. I went a bit more subtle with some of the sound effects for Option E as you suggested, but I kept the force call sound, as I would like to leave it open to interpretation as to where the voice is coming from. Good thoughts on the Dark Side Cave, and I will think about that when I revisit it. Part of me is just not sure I can do the FX in a way that’s convincing enough, but we’ll see!

FreezingTNT2 said:

@Poppasketti Do you plan on including a shot of the dark side version of Rey seen in The Rise of Skywalker?

If you mean for the Mirror Cave scene in TLJ, I am not sure. I don’t think it really fits into that moment, which is about her disappointment in just seeing her reflection. I think she would have had a different reaction if she had seen evil Rey.

jarbear said:
May the force be with you!

And you!

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#1318976
Topic
The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released)
Time

Thanks Hal! And thanks everyone for the helpful feedback!

RL, I get what you’re saying and I can see a version like that working (Option 4E)! I think if I do try that, I would slow down and split up the long dolly, as you said, and end on that shot. I think I should stay away from the closeup eyes shot to avoid a second duplicated shot.

I don’t think it was really the music that was dictating the edits so much as needing to give a new idea it’s own moment, which requires time. So I don’t want to make it much shorter, but rather reduce the number of cuts.

I’ll take a look when I can, but for now, 4D V2 is the “current” version in the cut!

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#1318867
Topic
The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released)
Time

Ehhh, what the heck! Here’s a D3! This changes the last shot of scene before the wipe to a closeup of Kylo’s eyes instead of the radio. This technically is a reused shot, but it’s time remapped and cropped a bit. Just like the D2 change, I could go either way on this.

Palpatine Contact Option 4D (V3)
https://vimeo.com/384058180
PW: fanedit

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#1318857
Topic
The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released)
Time

I made a slight update to Option D, swapping the last two reaction shots of Kylo so that his twitch hits when the voice finally comes through clearly. I think this feels better now, but let me know, as I honestly could go either way. I also made some other small adjustments, but nothing major!

Palpatine Contact Option 4D (V2)
https://vimeo.com/384049347
PW: fanedit

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#1318794
Topic
Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
Time

SparkySywer said:
I have a really hard time convincing myself they’re in the same universe.

I feel the same way. Each trilogy is written, edited, and photographed so differently that they don’t work as a whole for me. Stylistically, they just don’t mesh (think Anakin v. Obi-Wan on Mustafar and Vader v. Obi-wan on the Death Star). It’s why I understand GL’s desire to make the special editions, even though I think it was a futile attempt that just made the originals worse.

I look at each trilogy as its own story, loosely connected with the other trilogies. The incongruities are easier for me to forgive that way.

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#1318721
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
Time

Rey definitely says something like “Did you light speed skip the falcon? You light speed skipped the Falcon?!” While Poe is interjecting about the damage to BB-8. If you cut after they burst through the ice, as jarbear suggests, that could pass off as “light speed skipping”. The argument moves pretty fast, too, so you won’t have a lot of time too think about it!

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#1318713
Topic
The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released)
Time

Siliconmaster482 said:
you would definitely need to provide a little extra oomph right as he twitches later. Either a word from Palpatine, or a burst of static, something to elicit a specific reaction like the boom of the door did originally.

I’ll listen to it again and make refinements there! I definitely intended the twitch to coincide with a burst of static/voice, but maybe as I was tweaking it I made it too subtle!

Nev, your point is well taken. I’d definitely consider this including some very quick, subtle static noises during other force Skype calls. As long as it doesn’t hurt the feel of those moments. Something to think about!

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#1318707
Topic
The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released)
Time

Thanks again everyone for all of the feedback!

DZ-330, I still prefer to end with the broom boy, because of the pacing and thematic resonance (despite the repeated use of the force theme). I also like that it transcends the immediate story, giving us time to think about the big picture. I agree it would work well at the end of IX, but only if it was longer and included more kids, Rey toys…etc It would be weird if they only mentioned Luke’s actions on Crait, especially since he’s barely in the IX.

I really hope the edits of TROS can better pay off Luke’s heroics, because that was one of the biggest disappointments for me.

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#1318685
Topic
The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released)
Time

idir_hh said:

I prefer a mixture of 4A and 4C with the radio contact instead of the force voice, as palpatine’s voice from the radio fades away we cut straight to Rey coldly staring down Kylo with Palpy’s voice still lingering in the background.

I think the problem I always had with the versions that interweaved the Palpatine moment (radio or not) with the Rey/Kylo moment is that any audience would be so shocked by the mystery voice that they wouldn’t even be thinking about the character moment. I think we need to resolve where Rey and Kylo-Ren stand at the end of the movie before we introduce a new idea.

Enguard1998 and achilleas90, PMs sent!

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#1318682
Topic
The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released)
Time

Siliconmaster482 said:

My only sticking point is losing the emotional twitch from Kylo as the door closes. To me it feels like he’s reacting to something much more immediate (and tragic) than the radio broadcast, and now it feels out of place having it later. I know it’s a pain to find shots to use in the right order, but that definitely stood out to me.

That’s interesting. There’s a few shots that can be used in different ways. I always liked cutting from the door closing to the Kylo eyes closeup, and felt that the twitching shot (in this new context) felt like he was being disturbed/confused, unsure if he was hearing voices in the radio. He could be questioning his sanity. I also added some low level Sith whispers (good things come in threes!) to reinforce the idea that there’s more going on than the radio. I’m wondering if I should even make them a bit more prominent in the mix.

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#1318604
Topic
The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released)
Time

Well, here’s a version I’m calling 4D! It is essentially a hybrid of A and B, but may also satisfy some of C. It has the Rey/Kylo moment, a radio moment that only reuses 1 shot (which is cropped and time remapped), while also leaving open the possibility that Kylo is not sure where the voice is coming from. He looks at the radio, which crackles, but doesn’t really respond to Palpatine. When we finally hear “Find Me” clearly, it could be a force connection. There’s many tweaks here to try and sell this, so I won’t go into all of the detail, but I do feel like this is getting close to where I’d like it to be.

Palpatine Contact Option 4D
https://vimeo.com/383811421
PW: fanedit

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#1318352
Topic
The Last Jedi: Rekindled (Released)
Time

AbramPT said:

I actually did notice the additional radios! Well done. Correct me if I’m wrong, but even with the new radios, shouldn’t Kylo be looking to his right? Currently, he’s looking left. Maybe I’m just being a dingus and am missing something!

Hmm. I just looked at these shots over and over, and it took me a long while re-establish the orientation of the room, but I think you’re right. What’s throwing me off is they keep crossing the 180-degree axis. I think I could move the radio monitors to just to his left so that when he looks up, it matches. Thanks!