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This is the colour on the cells I have, a pale mintish green.

Interesting, the cel I have here has the pale mint green shirt which is closer to the 16mm print than the 35mm one.

The reversal in the red channel is interesting as there are ways that can happen.

I have another film source here I am going to check tonight to see which way it is meant to be. The 35mm source also seems to have the fox's gums greenish which doesn't make sense, but who knows?

Do you still have the IB print?

I'd love someone to take a look at the film on a lightbox or project it and let us know if the girl at the end of Reel 4 and at the start of Reel 5 have that much colour disparity on the film, or if it is due to different settings when scanned.

The last reel is now converting to PNGs.

Now I have to go make a Princess Leia costume for my daughter, her school dance this week is Star Wars themed. Scanning one day, sewing the next..

Yes, even if one finds someone to scan a print, it is never good to put their name out there. I am setup only for people who have permission to scan prints, and there are still some super8 and 16mm film makers out there who want their own work scanned and I do that mostly.

Misregistered IB prints are not much fun to watch on a projector, but if scanned right the underlying layers can be re-aligned on the computer with really good results.

When you make a print, you can time it however you like, so an IB print isn't always a good representation of the original work, but as they don't fade noticeably if stored well and not screened too much, they are a good representation of how an IB print would have looked at the day it was projected. Whereas most other stocks will be quite different 30+ years on.

Unfortunately "PNG files with 16-bit color depths (48-bit or 64-bit pixels) are not supported."

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Scanning is finished at last!

I am uploading an SD version now, about 900MB per reel, and am going through the s-l-o-w conversion to a .PNG sequence and will be posting the HDD back to the owner of the film to do with what they will.

It has been an interesting experience, I will post some before and after images from the scans. There is still a lot of work to do, but hopefully by scanning with controlled light separations and custom LookUpTables (LUTs) it has reduced the amount of work required to get some colour out of the red mist.

I'm looking forward to seeing what you all do with it.

If anyone wants to work in high bit depth for colour correction (which you really should) then Black Magic has a free version of Davinci which is actually very good.

http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve

Click on download for Davinci lite and choose your OS etc. There are also tutorials once you get to the download page.

The mac version can be downloaded directly

http://software.blackmagicdesign.com/DaVinciResolve/Lite/DaVinci_Resolve_Lite_9.1.4_Mac.zip

Each reel has quite different characteristics, but yes I do think each individual reel could have its own general colour correction applied with good results before then going in and fixing it up scene by scene.

Nice stuff.

The cartoon shot on the right actually looks more washed out to me though?

Be careful when trying to colour match to that cartoon sequence, it has a flickering fire so the rabbit's fur is intentionally changing colour from frame to frame, so matching that sequence will need to be eyeballed as every frame will be different due to the light from the 'fire'.

One has to be careful not to lose the dynamics in the scenes as well, although the colour is better in the shot with the girls, it looks flatter as the intentional shadowing has been washed out a bit by the process. Many scenes will intentionally have hard contrast or unbalanced histograms (like sunsets, firesides, and scenes shot to convey a certain mood), so always keep the look that the shot should have in mind. I try not to rely on histograms for anything other than checking clipping. Scenes that are designed to convey mood may look terribly under or overexposed if you just look at levels, but are that way due to artistic choice.

Steve Hullfish has a good book for anyone starting out as a colorist, The Art and Technique of Digital Color Correction, it is well worth buying for anyone interested in learning how to do primary and secondary colour correction and has a good section from actual colourists and jobs they have worked on. Well worth a look.

I am recompressing now, hopefully you guys will be able to polish it up into something great.

I have finished scanning Reel 1, I got the densitometer out to ascertain the best gamma and light balance settings for the scanner, so at least some colour has been recovered. It isn't a miracle or anything, but it is noticeably better than the straight scan was.

I am going to render out an SD compressed version of Reel1 so ww12345 can see how it looks before putting it all on a hard drive and sending it on over.

It will still need to be stabilised and cropped, I am leaving the sprocket holes and top and bottom overlap in so you can decide yourself on final cropping etc.

Reel 3 is also done with new settings and Reel2 is in the machine now...

I see there are two 16mm SOTS prints on ebay at the moment.

I'd be happy to send you a hard drive and pay return postage and handling costs etc. if you could put the 5 prores quicktime files on there. Then the film can be cleaned up, the misregistration fixed and any other repairs done on the best quality version of the files. That version can then be downsized to whatever you would want to give out. It makes sense to do the restoration work on the highest resolution, highest bit depth version available.

Thanks again for being willing to share this, hopefully we can make what is an excellent version already even better.

This seems to be an R18 version of MM2 & 3.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/MAD-MAX-2-MAD-MAX-BEYOND-THE-THUNDERDOME-MEL-GIBSON-VHS-VIDEO-TAPE-/271195010014?pt=AU_VHS_Tapes&hash=item3f247b73de

There is this too.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/16MM-ONCE-UPON-A-MOUSE-TONS-OF-CLASSIC-DISNEY-ANIMATED-CLIPS-LPP-COLOR-/171053601343?pt=US_Film&hash=item27d396d23f

How different is it. Different frames altogether/frames missing, or just different colour?

Yes, that cell is not from the movie, not sure what is going on with it.

So the top one is the one I should get.

There seems to be two CAV versions, are they different?

I've got to stop coming to this forum, it is costing me a fortune ;^)

I'll order the disc and set about capturing it then.

I can buy that box set locally and transfer it if there is interest. Is it the best source available?

Is the CAV edition you are after this one?

I was sure the 2006 DVD still said A New Hope?

I'll have to check, it has been a while.

I'm pretty sure his rig is based on an optical printer, which would mean a very slow process (as in 100s of hours). Has he scanned any complete features, or just trailers?

Oh and if anyone finds any technidiscs for sale, let me know!

I haven't looked at Jedi yet to compare. AntcuFaalb, have you compared it to the other releases yet?