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#1276992
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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It’s possible. I really don’t see it happening though. I think for whatever reason, the Lucasfilm story team or writers or whoever of these new films are either not interested or afraid to go all-in on the romance angle.

Maybe they think it’s too old fashioned or something. It does seem to be kind of an outmoded notion in modern blockbusters.

Solo kind of does it, but even then it’s a more cynical kind of romance.

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#1276984
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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nl0428 said:

dgraham414 said:

https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2019/04/the-episode-ix-piece-of-the-star-wars-celebration-mural-has-leaked.html

pretty much confirms undoubtedly the remade Kylo mask

I have stated already why I didn’t like the idea of Ben rebuilding his back, as it is an act of back treading upon his character, there is a way that the mask could be used well. There is a scenario in Episode IX that came to me where the use of the mask could be used well. After a possible fight between himself and Rey, there could be a moment where Rey tells him to take off the mask. Ben doesn’t do so, but Rey is able to talk him down to trust her. Rey approaches him slowly and takes the mask off him herself. It could be a beautiful mirroring as to when Luke took off Vader’s mask in Return of the Jedi. That’s just a scenario that came to me that could possibly happen in Episode IX.

And then they smooch #reylo
😉

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#1276528
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Ranking the Star Wars films
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StarkillerAG said:

pleasehello said:

StarkillerAG said:

I’ve had quite a change in opinion since my first ranking, so here’s an update.

  1. The Empire Strikes Back
  2. A New Hope
  3. The Force Awakens
  4. Return of the Jedi
  5. Revenge of the Sith
  6. Rogue One
  7. The Last Jedi
  8. Solo
  9. The Phantom Menace
  10. Attack of the Clones

Your first ranking was three months ago.

Being on OT.com for three months has really changed my perspective on the movies, so I wanted to do an update to compare my views before and after discovering this website.

Fair 'nuff.

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#1276238
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Celebration 2019 - Chicago; 11th to 15th April
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nl0428 said:

I know that during Battlefront II’s canal in Orlando the crowd booed when EA announced that micro-transactions would be present within the game.

That’s because including micro-transactions in a game that the consumer has already paid for is exploitative and generally objectionable. I think booing proved to be the correct response in that situation.

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#1275456
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

pleasehello said:

Overly-zealous is my guess. No one pays money to attend what is essentially a giant ad campaign–sorry, “Celebration”–unless they’re already drinking the Star Wars Kool-Aid.

Is my cynicism showing?

You’d probably have fun if you were there.

You’re probably right.

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#1275339
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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This definitely appears to be a real promotional image of some kind.

It sucks to see that Kylo will be wearing the mask again at some point. I’m going to assume (see: hope) it will be in a very limited capacity. It was already done to great effect in TFA, but that’s over now and the mask serves little purpose going forward. JJ would be a complete idiot to hide the face of his lead actor behind a mask again for half the movie.

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#1274238
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Disney to buy 20th (21st) Century Fox? (Disney has now bought them - 14 Dec '17)
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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

pleasehello said:

ThiefCobbler4ever said:

Well, Fox is now part of the Disney family! Time to celebrate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeTgx_pj6m8

“Ce-le-brate media conglomerates, come on!”
"It’s a corporate merger, and a monop’ly too. We gonna celebrate price fixin’ with you, c’mon now…”

Nice. I’ll give you a co-writer credit.

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#1271860
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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SilverWook said:

This rumor could be a steaming pile of Bantha poodoo?
http://epicstream.com/news/TinyDiapana/Disney-Reportedly-Brought-George-Lucas-To-Fix-Star-Wars-Episode-IX

And ye gods, is there anyplace I can go online where I don’t have to hear people bitching about Star Wars? It wasn’t even a Star Wars chat where I heard about this.

This is one of the funniest things I’ve read in a long time. Disney bringing George in to “polish the film’s script”. Hahahaha!

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#1271837
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Rian Johnson to Head New Star Wars Trilogy
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I think Rian Johnson is an interesting director. There are parts of TLJ that I absolutely love and other parts that I can’t hardly stand to watch.

But if I may make a prediction: I don’t think Rian Johnson will get further than one movie into his trilogy (if he even gets that far) before Disney shuts it down. I just don’t think there’s a very large desire for another Star Wars Trilogy among casual movie goers. And among Star Wars fans I don’t think there’s a very large desire for more Rian Johnson Star Wars movies, especially if he goes back to the same playbook of story elements he used in TLJ.

I hope I’m proven wrong and that he creates a wonderful, interesting new trilogy that does gangbusters. I think he’s a much better writer/director than The Last Jedi would indicate.

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#1271494
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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I mean, that’s my inclination. The alternative is that the performance is just weak and I don’t see John Williams allowing that. But if you listen to the opening hit followed by the staccato trombones (just the first few seconds) in one of prequel soundtracks compared to the sequel soundtracks, it’s as if someone took all the attack out of the brass instruments on the latter. They sound muffled almost as if the high-end was cut out. And the trombone staccati notes are barely audible.

If you listen to the two soundtracks one after the other, the difference is night and day. The first time I watched TFA on blu ray, I thought there was something wrong with my sound system.

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#1271478
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Sir Ridley said:

Lesser said:

Sir Ridley said:

I did a little analysis of the TLJ score album and counted how many minutes of old themes are on the album (so it’s not the entire score, but I assume the full score has a similar old/new ratio).

What I found was that there was less than 11 minutes of themes carried over from TFA, and just over 10 minutes of themes from the older movies. I didn’t count the title theme and the start of the end title music that are the same in all movies. That leaves over 1 hour of entirely new music, or about 74%. If the full score has a similar amount there might be about 1 hour and 45 minutes of new music.

I think that’s pretty impressive considering that the score should use old themes for characters and things from earlier movies. Personally I’m a big fan of the TLJ score and the balance between old and new music works for me. I’m very excited to hear the score for IX.

That’s actually really surprising to hear. I’ll have to watch TLJ again, because I could’ve sworn the old themes kept popping up every other time music was played. I’d also love to hear anybody’s thoughts on the main title score actually. The first note doesn’t feel as intense as the rest of the movies, but perhaps that’s more to do with a different orchestra playing than the first six? Or I’m a fool.

About the first note I’ve heard this complaint for the TFA recording. It’s a bit different in every movie (except for the prequels which used the same recording), so I guess it’s a matter of taste which way you prefer it. Here’s a quote from Rian Johnson about that:
“We re-recorded it with John Williams. They re-record it every time they do it. The more interesting thing for me was the mix. Realizing it’s just like mixing a song. Realizing there’s many different ways you can mix that opening fanfare. And if you listen to all the different movies, every single one of them has a slightly different take on the mix of the fanfare. Some are brighter some are warmer. The Force Awakens one has a sharper attack to it. We went for a warmer-type feel.”

For TFA and TLJ the opening hit is very weak compared to the other recordings–the trombones are cut out almost completely. I’m not a huge fan of the mixing.

I know Rian Johnson says they re-recorded the fanfare for TLJ and perhaps they did, but it wasn’t used in the movie. The fanfare that appears in TLJ is the exact same one in TFA. I overlaid them one on top of the other and there was no difference whatsoever, which would be impossible if it were a new recording.

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#1271342
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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nl0428 said:

RogueLeader said:

Yeah, despite my own gripes with the score, I go back and listen to it a lot this past year, even more than the other scores. I catch my self going back to The Spark and The Last Jedi a lot. Luke emerging from the base and then later when it is revealed he is still on Ach-To are such great moments. I like listening to Ach-To Island, The Supremacy and New Alliance a lot too.

I was a little surprised there wasn’t a Ben/Rey theme. A theme could still show up in the last film, but I imagine it will be some kind of play on Rey and Kylo’s theme, maybe.

It was noted that the first three notes in Rey’s theme are the same as the last three notes in Kylo Ren’s theme. It’s also been compared that they are the same three notes in Anakin and Padmé’s love theme, Across the Stars, but in reverse.

There may be intent behind that first observation. The second one seems purely like a coincidence: there are only so many intervals to work with when you’re creating tonal music.

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#1270650
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Creox said:

I also think veering off too much and you have a SW indie film that a lot fewer people will want to see.

But would probably be infinitely more interesting. I’m probably in the minority here, but I would love to see a Star Wars story done on a smaller scale. You don’t need $200 million to make a good Star Wars movie.

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#1269663
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

Paige’s sacrifice is actually an important point of comparison. She destroys the dreadnaught, yes, but the Resistance has lost all their bombers (plus many other fighters), so was it actually worth it? I tend to think even if Finn did destroy the battering ram, it wouldn’t have been worth much. That’s just one weapon, look at the rest of the First Order fire power at hand. The Resistance plan to hold out in that base probably only worked if they didn’t know they were there. Poe’s plan to destroy the cannon mirror’s his plan to destroy the dreadnaught - taking out something very destructive yes, but ultimately the smarter decision is to know when it’s time to cut your losses and get the fuck out of there before you lose all your people on a suicide mission.

That’s basically the distinction, between fruitless suicide mission and noble sacrifice. The film isn’t suggesting that sacrifices never work, you just have to know when it’s worth it. Both Holdo and Luke had no choice. Holdo has to stay behind to pilot the cruiser and was going to die anyway. She would have likely gone out peacefully if the remaining Resistance didn’t need help in that very moment. Same as Luke. Snoke found out where he was from Rey so there’s a decent chance the First Order was already on the way to destroy the island. Luke was obviously prepared to die without putting up a fight, but realized ultimately how much he was needed.

It’s essentially two different equations.

Who’s to say that Finn’s sacrifice wouldn’t have been worth it? My assumption was that Finn’s intention from the start of his run was to kamikaze his ship into the cannon. Would it have been fruitless? Possibly, but the movie failed to make it clear that it would have been fruitless. Also in saving Finn, Rose could have easily killed both of them with zero upside.

So if the message we’re supposed to take away from this is: Sacrifice is sometimes worth it, but you just have to weigh the cost/benefit depending on your specific situation–it’s not a very strong or clear message, especially for a Star Wars movie. This kind of goes along with a general trend in this movie of presenting a idea or message that should be simple and muddling it due to what I can only chalk up to poor execution.

Not that the movie is poorly executed in general. Much of it is fantastic. I simultaneously love and am frustrated by this film.

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#1269573
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Rey &amp; Kylo Ren's Relationship
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DominicCobb said:

RogueLeader said:

I don’t know exactly how they will portray Ben’s redemption, but I definitely see it happening, and I think Rey will play a part of it. I think it will be romantic love that puts the galaxy back together.

It’s a theory I’ve heard often (even literally my mom said this was her theory after she saw TLJ) and while I don’t have anything against it, personally I’d be surprised if it happens in an explicit “Rey and Ben are a romantic pair and will live happily ever after” way.

I doubt it will happen. Other than that scene where Rey and Kylo touch hands, the rest of the sequel trilogy seems weirdly asexual to me, at least in the traditional sense. Like it’s something that purposely being tiptoed around.