dgraham414 said:

I mean I was sitting in the theatre and when the emperor’s theme started playing over an image of Rey I literally freaked out at how similar they were. Being a music composition minor in my undergrad, this similarity might not have been planned from TFA but Williams clearly pushes the similarities for this film

Rey and Ben’s theme’s having commonalities was clearly intentional. Ben and Palpatine commonalities are there and probably not an accident. But to suggest that Rey and Palpatine’s theme’s are intentionally related because they both use a minor 3rd interval a few times is really a stretch.

Hal 9000 said:

Yeah. Old school film composition par excellence as Williams does so well requires having the final edit in front of him to work with.

Yes. It really annoyed me that the exact same musical cue was used in the wipe to credits as TFA. This was the big finale and they just recycled the same recording from TFA. It comes off so lazy.

Cthulhunicron said:

act on instinct said:

The fact that we even need to dive this deep for explanations through art books and lore really bums me out.

Me too. I was really hoping for better storytelling than this.

It’s not really important to the story though. Would the movies really be better if they told us in excruciating detail how he found the Jedi Temple? Expanded materials are the perfect place for those kind of explanations in my opinion.

theprequelsrule said:

ChainsawAsh said:

theprequelsrule said:

Cthulhunicron said:

I’m still trying to wrap my brain around Palpatine’s resurrection.

My current theory is Exogol Palpatine is the same one from the prequels. ROTJ was a clone being controlled like a puppet, a la Snoke. This would explain why he’s so decrepit and withered in TROS, and why he still has the face scars after being regenerated. My thinking is that Palpatine cannot simply clone a new body and transfer his soul into it, he can only control them remotely using the Force. This explains why he needs Rey. Eventually his body will grow so old (and possibly withered by excessive dark side energies) that even his life support equipment will no longer sustain him.

What do you think?

I think Dark Empire’s idea was way better then the shit sandwich TROS gave us.

How would you know? You haven’t seen it or TLJ, right?

There are enough spoilers out there for me to form a judgement. And Dark Empire already had the idea that Palpatine needed a non-clone force-sensitive body to transfer his essence into.

A plot synopsis is not a movie. You may think the plot sounds dumb and it kind of is, but you can’t honestly call the movie a “shit sandwich” if you haven’t seen it. A movie is more than a series of plot points. An Empire Strikes Back plot synopsis would probably be boring as hell.

Hal 9000 said:

People taking Luke’s remark as he catches the saber as a jab at TLJ don’t seem to appreciate his arc. It’s pretty obvious that he changed dramatically over the course of that film.

You mean he’s not the same asshole at the end of the film that he is at the beginning? I guess I was too busy complaining that TLJ ruined Luke’s legacy to bother to pay attention.

Next you’ll tell me that his projection holding Anakin’s saber at the end was symbolic of that change. Should have been the green one cuz it would’ve been more cooler and what I desperately wanted as a fan.

dgraham414 said:

Alright during the Rey Kylo fight in the water Finn and Jana are inside the wreckage, then 10 seconds later they’re on top of the wreckage, then Rey pushes Finn through the waves, then we see them on Ajan Kloss with zero explanation of how they got there or when they repaired the Falcon. Just a small scene needed to be added to fix this…

The scene with them repairing the Falcon is when Jana reveals that she was a former storm trooper. One can assume they finished up repairs and headed back to base. I didn’t think it was a huge leap.

Omni said:

To be fair, I think Rian at the very least suspected something like this could happen and wrapped the trilogy in his own movie. There are really so few loose ends that TROS could be a mini-series of epilogues or something.

I doubt that was his intention. If it was though, and he purposely engineered TLJ so that no one would be able to continue the story in a convincing manner, that would be a real asshole move.
As it stands, TLJ really put J.J. in a difficult position and it shouldn’t be a surprise that TROS feels rushed and overstuffed.

Hal 9000 said:

Someone pointed out to me that BB8 charging DO is just like Ben healing Rey.

See? This movie has layers, man 😉

ChainsawAsh said:

JEDIT: Nevermind, not worth it. I’m staying away from the forums for a while. At least this section.

Congrats, Mala, you chased another one away.

Ditto. For a Star Wars dedicated forum, this place sure has a knack for taking the joy out of Star Wars.

Hal 9000 said:

I apologize for my bitter comments about the box office so far. I don’t want to be that guy. I’m honestly surprised to see widespread positivity about this one, and I don’t want to prevent that enjoyment from happening.

Like I said, I’m looking forward to seeing my own perception rebound upward over time, with the group’s help, hopefully.

I mean, you’re not wrong. It’s totally lacking in creativity, though I would argue no more than TFA. It’s short on thematic material except for some already well-trodden territory. But it’s so joyful in its schlockier aspects that I couldn’t help but enjoy it.

It’s punctuated with some genuinely touching moments as well.

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EDIT: Sorry. I wasn’t using my brain.

This movie was schlock and I kind of loved it. The story is fun but incomprehensible and purposely never stops long enough for the audience to think about any of it. There were a lot of chuckles and a lot of eye-rolls, but I was always with it. The worst part for me was the kiss, making it two Star Wars films in a row where a kiss was easily the worst part of the movie.

I feel that each film in this trilogy stands on its own well enough and has its merits. But as a trilogy, as three pieces of a larger whole it fails miserably. I don’t know what else to say. This whole thing feels like a failed, poorly planned experiment, but one that I got a lot of enjoyment out of.

fmalover said:

I’m going to wait a few days until after the premiere to read the plot summary on Wikipedia.

I don’t trust J.J. Abrams.

This will be how we all consume film in 50 years. The film’s success will then be determined by the number of upvotes the plot summary receives. Nice to see you’ve already embraced our dystopian future.

screams in the void said:

this sums up my thoughts on the film and the fan base very well. To the creator of this video, I say Kudos and drop the mic dude ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2cBTLsWiDg&fbclid=IwAR1lUEbfBOn5Yr2VPJSfqaLPzlQf5WDqjUQEZEfG46_WMcctzcbjJqODgoI

Too much nerd-splaining. He uses the same lore-based logic to explain why TLJ is good as its detractors use to explain why it’s bad. If you have to strain this hard to explain why a fictional work is actually genius, then either you’re desperately trying to convince yourself that you like it or the arguments you’re trying to refute probably aren’t worth refuting. Star Wars is so much more basic than that. These films suffer from so much over-analysis and in the end few of the arguments actually have any bearing on whether the movie is good or bad.

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Cobra Kai said:

pleasehello said:

I just listened to it as well.

It’s fine, but it’s pretty anemic when it comes to new thematic material with a couple of exceptions (both of which Sir Ridley mentioned). I know this isn’t a complete soundtrack, but as-is it has the least to offer of all three sequel trilogy soundtracks. It either spends a lot of time playing with different colors or weaving quickly in and out of motifs we’re already familiar with. I know John Williams is very old now and I honestly wonder how much involvement he really had in scoring this movie. Much of this soundtrack sounds like it might have been delegated to one of his proteges.

Also keep in mind, most of Williams’ scores that he’s composed over the course of his career were written AFTER the final cuts of the movies were finished. That is no longer the case as modern big budget movies are now cut and re-cut right up until the release, so composers no longer have such luxury. As a result the final scores end up being cut up and patched together by the music editor to match the final edit.
This is one reason why thematic scores in general are mostly a thing of the past; modern scores are no longer linked to the movie structure, but are just relegated to simply being appropriate moments for individual scenes.

So yes, Williams is very old now, but it’s also not really fair to compare his modern scores with his old classics where he was completely free to work his magic.

Yes, that’s true. But not being able to score the final cut doesn’t preclude a composer from writing compelling thematic material for the individual scenes you mention. Comparing this score to OT or PT scores is unfair and not something I would do, but even when comparing it to TFA, this score has a lot less meat.

At Johnny’s age it’s almost a certainty he had collaborators who contributed musical material to this score, so it’s not so much a question of if he had help, but rather how much help he had. And honestly that’s fine. I love John Williams and I’d rather he contributed only 50% of the score than if he didn’t contribute at all. It’s a fine score and it’s no less than I expected.

I just listened to it as well.

It’s fine, but it’s pretty anemic when it comes to new thematic material with a couple of exceptions (both of which Sir Ridley mentioned). I know this isn’t a complete soundtrack, but as-is it has the least to offer of all three sequel trilogy soundtracks. It either spends a lot of time playing with different colors or weaving quickly in and out of motifs we’re already familiar with. I know John Williams is very old now and I honestly wonder how much involvement he really had in scoring this movie. Much of this soundtrack sounds like it might have been delegated to one of his proteges.

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yotsuya said:

regularjoe said:

timdiggerm said:

Hey everyone, I accidentally read some spoilers, so I guess I’m here now instead of the no-spoiler thread. Anyway, the stuff I read was pretty crazy, but then I read some other stuff that seemed to conflict it. So…is there anywhere where I can read a summary of the current state of speculation and leaks, instead of sifting through 127 pages?

here you go

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k-gO17Y1ENyq2aahYqDAFgeMrqP95qaNhIaLtiFLDAE/edit

I kinda hope that is accurate. That is about the level of detail of the TFA leaks that proved very accurate. We will see.

I’m fine with all the leaks, I just hope there’s more to the fate of Kylo/Ben. That’s the only thing I feel strongly about. But I think it’s likely that the leaks are incomplete and in some cases only true from a certain point of view. There are a lot of crucial details missing. But I will go into the movie expecting the worst and see what happens.

The leaked plot stuff seems mostly fine to me as well. Kind of standard, mostly predictable stuff; nothing groundbreaking. Honestly, the dumbest part of the new plot has already been officially revealed which is that Palpatine is returning somehow.

thedewback2 said:

emanswfan said:

I’m sure it won’t be anything larger than what happened in Endgame, but I’m still happy to hear some progress towards LGBTQ inclusion in the Star Wars movies.

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/star-wars-rise-skywalker-director-j-j-abrams-hints-lgbtq-n1095496

This was leaked a little while back. Two female Resistance pilots kiss before the final battle.

Found them!

oojason said:

‘The Rise of Skywalker Will Introduce New Force Powers’:-

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/12/rise-of-skywalker-new-force-powers
 

“The Force is not a power you have.” -Luke Skywalker

I guess he’s dead now though, so to hell with that.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Especially with the oh-so-kewl lightsaber Kung Fu crap going on to make the fanboys cream their cargo shorts.

Fixed that for you.

DuracellEnergizer said:

pleasehello said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

Yet the film has all the Skywalkers killed off and the descendant of Space Hitler™ (whose return ruins the meaning of Anakin’s sacrifice, by the way) taking on the surname of Skywalker at the end. Also, General Hux is redeemed (which ruins his entire character even more), Anakin’s lightsaber and Kylo’s helmet are fixed (which ruins the meanings of their destructions in The Last Jedi), there’s the “fake-out death” cliché, there’s a character who only exists just for a reveal that she is Lando’s long-lost daughter, etc.

Well, Leia dying is probably going to be the biggest missed opportunity of this film, but I don’t know how that’s a valid criticism considering real life events.

Perhaps once Carrie Fisher passed, the powers-that-be should’ve just, y’know, re-edited TLJ so that Leia was the one who died and Luke survived.

Their options were either to rewrite and reshoot half of The Last Jedi which was almost in the can at that point or to rewrite Ep. IX which was still in pre-production. Practically, financially and artistically I’d say they made the right call.

FreezingTNT2 said:

Yet the film has all the Skywalkers killed off and the descendant of Space Hitler™ (whose return ruins the meaning of Anakin’s sacrifice, by the way) taking on the surname of Skywalker at the end. Also, General Hux is redeemed (which ruins his entire character even more), Anakin’s lightsaber and Kylo’s helmet are fixed (which ruins the meanings of their destructions in The Last Jedi), there’s the “fake-out death” cliché, there’s a character who only exists just for a reveal that she is Lando’s long-lost daughter, etc.

Well, Leia dying is probably going to be the biggest missed opportunity of this film, but I don’t know how that’s a valid criticism considering real life events. I really wish we could have seen the film as it was originally written with her expanded role in it. It would have made such a nice bookend to this sequel trilogy.

FreezingTNT2 said:

mykyta-R4 said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

mykyta-R4 said:

‘Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker | “Celebrate” TV Spot’:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlb0aUZKQpk

^ at official Star Wars youtube channel
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Has a image of Leia holding a lightsabre, perhaps ready to give to Rey?

Oh no…

Sorry, I do not understand.

(English is not my first language. What am I looking for?)

A Reddit user has leaked the entire plot, and the plot itself sounds extremely horrible.

Oh good. As long as it was “A Reddit user” we can be sure it’s good intel.

yotsuya said:

pleasehello said:

dgraham414 said:

“They fly now!”

I couldn’t help but laugh at that clip. It came off as total schlock. I’m trying to embrace it.

It’s not like the clones could fly or anything like that… or the Fetts.

Like I said. Schlock.

Happy endings are overrated.