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#1305681
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StarWarsLegacy.com - The Official Thread
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Broom Kid said:

Considering both blu-ray and 4K UHD are formats that are essentially “collectors only” purchases at this point (kind of like a better, more idealized Laser Disc really) I think that best case scenario is worth holding onto at least a tiny measure of hope? I’m sure it’ll get crushed by this time next year, haha. But the only people really buying physical media anymore are collectors and/or people who care that the image quality is as good as it can be. And both of those audience bases are really small compared to the general audience who has no problem w/ streaming quality, so you’ve gotta provide something a little extra to make that purchase seem “necessary.”

It really sucks that most people either don’t see or don’t care about the difference between blu ray video quality and a lower bitrate stream. When I stream movies and I see blocking, it takes me right out.

Fewer physical releases also means we are at the mercy of the streaming services, only able to watch what they deem “popular enough” to carry.

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#1305665
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Broom Kid said:

However - Lucas DID basically whip up Empire Strikes Back’s story/structure more or less all by himself once Brackett was gone. Kasdan contributed heavily, yes, but by the time he came on the bones of the thing were firmly in place. But on the other hand: The most famous twist of all time, probably, and the one that basically doomed Star Wars to forever be taken way more seriously than it ever really needed to, and trained its biggest fans to expect twists and turns and huge surprises in every chapter despite the fact it’s ALWAYS been a straightforward fairy-tale other than THAT ONE TIME… that twist was basically pulled out of his backside at the last second before shooting started. It wasn’t a deeply considered, thought-out idea. It was just a hand grenade tossed at the end of the story to create one hell of a cliffhanger for the next chapter.

Right, I think Lucas is a pretty good “big picture” guy, but when it comes to screenwriting and directing most of his work comes off sooooo flat. That’s why Star Wars 1977 is so perplexing. It’s the exception to the rule. It’s funny and emotional and when you watch it you think, “this guy wrote and directed the prequels?”

One of the biggest problems with the ST is that there was no “big picture” going into it. And it’s definitely been a detriment to the series. No matter how much you like TFA and TLJ as individual films (I think they work pretty well separately), there is very little narrative continuity between the two. And the way TLJ ended, there’s unlikely to be much narrative continuity with Episode IX either. The ST desperately needed a “big picture”, but I’m not so sure George Lucas would have been the right man to do it.

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#1305659
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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OutboundFlight said:

I don’t understand how George Lucas is getting all the breaks now for his “originality” while Rian Johnson is hated for doing exactly what haters of TFA asked.

This is what RJ possibly “ruined” about Star Wars:

  • Luke’s ultimate fate is sit around moaning about his failure before he returns to form and sacrifices himself.
  • You can now hyperspace attack.
  • Animal cruelty exists in Star Wars.

Compared to the PT:

  • Anakin wasn’t a brave warrior, he was a creep.
  • The Jedi were idiots.
  • Padmé died of a broken heart.
  • Stormtroopers are clones of Boba Fett’s father.
  • There’s a ton of weird names.
  • It’s potentially racist (likely accidental).
  • The Jedi Purge happened in a day.
  • Anakin built C-3PO and knew R2.
  • Anakin knew about Uncle Owen but never checked up on him.

Yes, TLJ is way worse than the PT! /s I can see the argument TFA is the worst one, although I beg to differ, but I don’t understand how RJ gets SW worse than GL.

George Lucas has definitely been getting a rose-tinted-glasses treatment lately. Undeservedly so, in my opinion. Credit for creating and directing the original Star Wars, but beyond that his work really hasn’t been very good. Just think how boring the Empire Strikes Back would have been if it were written and directed by George Lucas.

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#1303987
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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RogueLeader said:

I think that is a fair view, basically an auteur theory perspective.

So, do you think it is possible for future films/shows made under Disney-Lucasfilm could be considered more artistic if the right artist came in and had enough creative freedom to create a unique, new story?

Isn’t that what Rian Johnson tried to do? RJ may be the most “auteur” of any director to helm a Star Wars movie; he did something quite different and people hated it.

DrDre said:

You can get something good out of a drink, that isn’t coca cola. Like I said it may taste good, and I may enjoy it, but it isn’t Coca Cola. To me Star Wars is more than the sum of a brand name, a good story, and similar aesthetics.

Dre - You seem to know what doesn’t constitute “Star Wars” in your own personal view. But what does? You’ve implied that Star Wars is more that just a sum of its parts; something more intangible. How can a SW movie ever be made to your satisfaction if that’s the case?

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#1303900
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DuracellEnergizer said:

Darth Hade said:

Ahhh.

I’m guessing that you’re one of those originaltrilogy.com members that wanted it to stay the story of Luke Skywalker and not be the story of Anakin Skywalker.

Just not a fan of the chosen one/prophecy brouhaha; too deterministic for my tastes.

And the way it retcons the ending of ROTJ.

Anakin Skywalker “brings balance to the force” by killing the emperor, but not until after he helps murder countless millions of people. I guess it’s okay though since the prophecy was technically fulfilled. It never worked for me.

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#1303655
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The Last Jedi: Legendary (SPOILERS)
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Hal 9000 said:

With the caretakers being removed, it might be good to trim Snoke’s line about destroying the entire island.

I’ve always thought it was weird that he would specifically single out the island for destruction. We’ve kind of come to expect nothing less than total planetary destruction from the big bad forces in Star Wars, so I kind of just assumed that he’d take care of the whole planet.

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#1303051
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Force-Abel said:

Valheru_84 said:

If the recently updated plot leaks are true then TROS will somehow actually be worse than TLJ, at least insofar as the writing of the story and characters.

Can’t wait for TROS to release to DVD, watch it once out of morbid curiousity and then try to forget the ST altogether for the rest of my life…

I think there is more chance that people who won’t / will not like TROS, and some indeed seem to have made their minds up on IX before seeing it, will be endlessly posting about it everywhere.

Much like they have for TLJ or other new Star Wars films they don’t like.
 

Closed minds - closed hearts. Fandom seems to be more about hating on things these days, and letting others know endlessly about it. I can’t see many of the ST bashers forgetting about it just becuase the ST are coming to an end. Hate begets hate.

Yeah, I’m trying to keep any open mind. A film is much more than just a plot summary. That said, there is one specific plot leak detail that I absolutely hate and hope is not true. While TLJ was subversive (not always in a satisfying way) it was at least respectful, but if this TROS plot detail is true I think it would be a total insult to the previous film and the audience. I don’t want to be jerked around and I don’t want to be treated like a dummy.

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#1301930
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Density said:

If those leaks are even close to right, let me just say “I have a bad feeling about this.”

Like, if the basic plot is what I think it’s going to be (and the trailer seems to suggest it is), this could well be the worst Star Wars movie of all-time. Yes, worse than the prequels.

A plot does not a movie make. For my money, the plot of any given Star Wars movie is usually one of its least interesting or important aspects.

The plots of episodes II and III are pretty grounded and potentially interesting on paper, but were executed in the worst and most boring way possible. The plot leaks of Ep. IX sound pretty dumb on paper, but could be executed in a way that has emotional resonance.

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#1301754
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Hal 9000 said:

I just hope the whole thing feels thematically appropriate, but my cynical tendencies see this as unnecessary. I always thought Dark Empire looked stupid compared to the novels, since it just undoes and redoes ROTJ, but then again there’s been plenty of exactly that in the ST so far. I would think it’d be more congruent to figuratively re-defeat Palpatine rather than literally. My concerns aren’t how it makes sense logically, but thematically. But, we’ll see what happens.

It would be nice if we could have both thematic congruity and narrative congruity. I wouldn’t mind if they defeated his force ghost or his spirit or whatever, but if he’s back in the flesh I am going to roll my eyes so hard.

The Emperor was more of a symbol of evil anyway in ROTJ rather than a real character. He was basically the Satan to Luke’s Jesus if we’re going with the biblical analogy, tempting Luke to go down the dark and easy path. I really hope it’s something more in that vein.

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#1301559
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 MKV IS OUT NOW
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ChainsawAsh said:

UncutIsSuperior said:

Avatar_Emil_Borg said:

Um, what are you talking about? Star Wars wasn’t shot in CinemaScope. Where exactly have you heard that Star Wars was filmed in CinemaScope?

IMDb said so, 2.35:1. If that doesn’t prove it, I don’t know what does.

That doesn’t mean CinemaScope. That just means anamorphic 35mm.

2.35:1 anamorphic 35mm which was first pioneered and popularized by…CinemaScope.

It’s still acceptable to refer to that particular format as CinemaScope even if it’s not technically accurate. It’s easily the most recognizable name for the format and even people in the film industry use the word “Scope” as short hand for 2.35:1 35mm.

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#1301262
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The Last Jedi : Fan Edit Ideas
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4throck said:

Hal 9000 said:

I’ve seen a few attempts to trim down the ‘water pipes’ gag with BB8 during the opening sequence, and tried making one myself, but never saw one that really felt right.

Can anyone recommend anyone’s work on this scene? Perhaps there’s a good one out there I haven’t stumbled into, but you have.

Just use the deleted original opening. Solves the water gag and the General Hugs prank.

Doesn’t the deleted original opening have a ton of unfinished CGI?

I tried my hand at trimming down the “water pipes” gag as well. Most of my efforts didn’t really pan out or feel right. In the end I ended up just cutting that one shot of BB8’s multiple appendages trying vainly to plug the leaks. The shot where he retracts them is still there, but it happens so fast that it doesn’t really register. That was the best I could do and I’m not even sure if it’s an improvement.

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#1298368
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DrDre said:

RogueLeader said:

Hey man! Happy to hear you enjoyed it some more in your most recent viewing! Hope your day is going well.

Do you think you just enjoyed it more in a general sense, or were there specific things that you noticed you kinda liked this time around?

I found I really enjoyed the Luke/Rey/Kylo/Snoke dynamic this time round.

That’s easily the most interesting part of the movie.

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#1298334
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“The Ride of a Lifetime&quot; - book by Bob Iger. Lucas mention.
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It’s hilariously ironic that George Lucas originally conceived of Star Wars as a throwback to the old movie adventure serials, and then criticizes TFA for being a throwback to the Original Trilogy (a throwback of a throwback).

Yes, visually TFA is extremely similar to the Original Trilogy (maybe too similar), but visual distinctiveness by itself does not make a good movie, which George always seems to be implying. For all the visual distinctiveness and new digital technologies used to make the Prequels, they’re not even close to being as engaging as TFA.

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#1296469
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Broom Kid said:

It seems like the last couple weeks have essentially gotten us to a pretty solid place in terms of basic plotting and motivation for the movie.

The most intriguing thing to me, honestly, is the idea that the movie might not start with the main title and scroll, but a flashback following the “A long time ago” card, and then smash cut to the main title at the end of the flashback, like Rogue One.

Interesting idea. I wouldn’t bet on it (nor would I bet on anything in the so-called “plot leaks”), but that might be cool if done well.

Though I can hear the entire theater audience’s audibly confused utterance of “what?!” when that happens and it’s annoying me already.

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#1296000
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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StarkillerAG said:

Yes, TLJ is postmodern. But does that mean it’s bad? I actually felt like the postmodern attitude of TLJ was a nice change of pace, especially after the boring corporate nostalgia bait that was TFA.

I thought the postmodern aspects of TLJ were interesting departure, but it certainly was jarring on first viewing. No other Star Wars movie is really self-analytical like TLJ, so if you’re not interested in that I can see not liking the movie very much.

Again, my problem with TLJ is that it calls into question the good and evil paradigm that has been perpetuated throughout all the SW movies which is cool (“Good guys. Bad guys. Just made up words.”), but at the end of the movie we’re just back to good guys vs. bad guys.

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#1294146
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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act on instinct said:

I liked a few things, namely the scope. Felt like that grandeur has been missing after all the emphasis on real sets and practical effects, I want the huge CGI festival or whatever that was, make the worlds big and spectacular again it’s 2019 nobody cares anymore as long as it’s not cg faces. If TRoS is to be a grand finale I want it to be big.

I care. Bigger is not necessarily better. In my opinion, the simple imagery of the single Star Destroyer flyover at the beginning of Star Wars is grander and more intimidating that 100 Star Destroyers in a lightning storm.

Obviously it’s going to be a big finale, but the overuse of big bombastic effects whether CGI or otherwise becomes boring really quickly.