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#1357916
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant
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Octorox said:

StarkillerAG said:

I disagree. I think the Battlefront trailer footage and the lava river are too obviously computer animated<

Compared to pretty much every shot of the clones in Attack of the Clones I think it looks far better. I mean, it does look like CGI, but many shots in these films are mostly or entirely CGI. I just don’t think it looks noticeably worse than other effects shots in the film. Maybe if they were actually shooting it for the film they would have used actors in suits but unfortunately we don’t live in that universe.

I honestly didn’t know the troop transport stuff was video game footage until you guys mentioned it. I thought it blended seamlessly. I agree that the overhead lava shot looks a bit off and the volcano through the trees is clearly shot in documentary style and definitely out of place.

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#1357468
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant
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Hal 9000 said:

Awesome! Makes me feel like I’m publishing a 70’s grindhouse flick. 😃

Here’s poppasketti’s visual and my audio for Ochi’s ship leaving. Be honest, does this feel legit?
https://vimeo.com/431955828

Ditto what everyone else said. Also the musical timing feels off. The big orchestral swell should happen right before the wipe. As it is, the silence as the ship jumps away feels awkward.

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#1332262
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Dom's (Possibly) Useful TROS Edit
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Hey Dom. I really like some of your edit ideas, especially re-inserting “The Speeder Chase” into the movie. I just got my blu-ray copy in the mail a few days ago and decided to give that idea a go myself. Unfortunately the music appears to be mixed into every single audio channel, so isolating sound effects and dialogue is proving almost impossible.

The only real solution I can think of is to fade all the dialogue in and out (hoping there aren’t any musical intrusions) and then rebuild the effects tracks from the ground up using custom sound effects, which is a bit beyond my capacity. Do you have any alternative ideas?

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#1328777
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant
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RogueLeader said:

I don’t think it is a stretch for people to believe a temperate moon like Endor has grasslands across the coastlines. Naboo has swamps and pastures, it isn’t a completely homogenous climate. I also figured most people assumed that as soon as we saw the Death Star wreckage in the trailer, that it was Endor. I think having a transition shot like that is enough to show the audience that it’s Endor.

The cinematic masterpiece that is Caravan of Courage: An Ewok Adventure didn’t think it was too much of a stretch.

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#1327763
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Broom Kid said:

Bounding into Comics is a terrible website that probably shouldn’t be getting eyeballs or attention from anyone. It’s essentially a mouthpiece for some of the absolute worst elements of “geek culture” or “fandom” in general.

It’s essentially Breitbart or OANN for “fanboys”

Thanks for saying something to this effect. I appreciate the linked interview with Rian Johnson, but the “article” reads more like a fan forum complaint:

“However, radically changing characters that are part of a much larger narrative doesn’t work on audiences. It doesn’t work with Hux and it most certainly doesn’t work on Luke Skywalker…”

This is what passes for journalism now? Give me a break.

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#1327352
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Most Disappointing / Satisfying Aspect of the Sequel Trilogy?
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OutboundFlight said:

DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

OutboundFlight said:

Overall, I think a lot of the hate towards TLJ comes to… ok I’m sorry for bringing this quote up again… but your subversion of expectations.

TLJ set some concepts up and I think maybe in part of the constant debate that’s ensued over the past two years, the majority has come to a basic conclusion of what Episode 9 must do. Without considering RJ left things very open.
–Rey should struggle with being no one
–Rey should find a balance between the old and new
–Rey should rebuild the Jedi Order

I understand your point of view. It is kind of hypocritical that TLJ fans constantly say, “You just didn’t like TLJ because your fan theories didn’t come true!” while simultaneously making fan theories about TROS and being upset when they don’t come true.

Incorrect. For instance, thinking Rey should be a nobody in TROS wasn’t a “theory.” It was a fact that was established in TLJ that they reversed. That’s completely different.

In the same way thinking Luke should be the son of a Great Fallen Jedi wasn’t a “theory”, but a fact that was established in ANH that they reversed?

But it’s not the same. Rey’s entire story in TLJ centered around her parentage and her eventual acceptance that they were nobodies and bums. Most of this was undone by the Palpatine reveal in TROS.

If the entire first Star Wars movie was about Luke searching for his father only to discover toward the end that he’s dead, and then discover in the next movie that he’s alive and he’s Darth Vader, then it’d be the same.

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#1327179
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Most Disappointing / Satisfying Aspect of the Sequel Trilogy?
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NeverarGreat said:

If she were merely going there to bury the past it wouldn’t necessarily be an issue, but the name implies a connection with this isolation that she will never be rid of. She both does and does not return to society simultaneously, and this is why I find it so frustrating.

You’re giving way more thought to her assumption of the Skywalker name than the filmmakers ever did.

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#1327089
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Does Kylo really deserve to be redeemed? Did he deserve to be Reys love interest?
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DuracellEnergizer said:

Mocata said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Mocata said:

Vader’s redemption kind of comes out of nowhere. But it doesn’t matter unless you expect a fully realised villain, with many facets and deep characterisation. The Empire might seem like fascist super state, but meaningful comparisons to real historical figures are not really appropriate. It’s just Star Wars.

All the more reason why Trek is the superior Star franchise.

Maybe once, not so much these days.

Difference is modern Trek doesn’t retroactively ruin what came before. At least not for me.

Have you seen the new Picard show?

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#1326995
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Most Disappointing / Satisfying Aspect of the Sequel Trilogy?
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Anakin Starkiller said:

Because it’s not centered around the Skywalker family, and I wish Lucasfilm would realize that. It’s not the Skywalker Saga, it’s just the Saga.

“The Skywalker Saga” is retroactive marketing bullcrap that they used to try and promote the final film. The sequel trilogy is not about the Skywalker family, nor should it be. No, Rey shouldn’t be a blood-related Skywalker because that would be reductive and stupid. Even more reductive and stupid than making her a Palpatine.

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#1326851
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The Last Jedi: Rekindled (V3 UPDATE!)
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smpearce1981 said:

poppasketti said:

Ok, made slight updates to the Rebel Ring shot timing and Finn speeder targeting screen (even a tweak to the Finn cockpit shot), which is posted to the same vimeo links. Currently, I’m rendering out a new workprint, which should be ready tonight and posted tomorrow. Thank you!

Hey Poppa,

I promise I’ll leave you alone soon, but I just caught something else that I thought I might present to you?

It’s not so much of a change, but actually the undoing of a change?

The former deleted scene of Finn and Rose abourd the shuttle immediately after their escape from the ‘Supremacy’:-

That’s always stuck out to me. There’s nothing wrong with it, at least technically, but it just doesn’t ‘sit right’

I can’t tell if it’s tonally, where it’s just a quiet dialogue moment after such a bombastic sequence feeling jarring?

Or whether it’s unfinished VFX? Where the first shot appears too static and like a cheap set? (I don’t know whether adding in a reflection to indicate a screen/canopy would help with that?)

But something isn’t quite right, so I wondered whether it was worth asking the question on whether the information/dialogue delivered justifies it’s inclusion?

I’m sure some could argue that it plays into Finn’s arc of acceptance and belonging amongst the resistance by him stating that they are heading to ‘where they belong’ but I’m not sure that theme is part of Finn’s journey in TLJ? It’s more of an un-needed carry over from TFA.

By the start of TLJ he’s already part of the inner circle and the only reason he tries to leave and gets mistaken for a deserter is out of concern for Rey and not wanting her to return to the danger, so I don’t think his sense of belonging is relevant and in need of affirming within this scene and hence it could be deemed redundant?

To compound the above, part of me wonders if taking it back to the original edit here actually adds some tension when Finn and Rose approach the bunker on Crait?

Not that it was ever super suspenseful, but having enough time to almost forget that Finn and Rose are out there and potentially enroute means that when they do show up it’s more of a homecoming/surprise/crowd pleaser?

There’s also the question of whether deescalating their situation here is a false flag(?), considering the next time we see them they are inexplicably being pursued by two TIE Fighters?

I know you could argue that the original sequence doesn’t explain this either, but aside from escaping the capital ship explosion, their fates were unresolved and there wasn’t any overt indication that they were fully out of peril? So, I quite like that by the time they are properly re-united with their friends, they have been through quite an ordeal!

They just survived near execution and a capital ship explosion, launched a daring escape in an enemy shuttle, been chased by TIE’s where they narrowly manage to get home but not before getting involved in a fiery crash and then coming under under friendly fire. They go through all of this before they are afforded any sort of respite.

I think giving them the breather that this scene allows not only slows the momentum out of the movie at a point that doesn’t feel organic but also potentially detracts from the character’s resilience all the while without really bringing anything new to the table?

I don’t know, I’m sorry to bombard you with ideas for changes etc, but I feel you are really getting into the final run on this project now, so I figure now might have just been a good time to go over things that have just sort of been there, never offending but not really bringing anything either?

I’ve got no issue with the scene itself or it’s presence in the cut but I do know that every time I see it, I do notice it, it feels added in and pulls me out of the flow of events whereas nothing in the rest of the movie does that, so I wondered what your thoughts on it’s continued inclusion were?

UPDATE:-

I just read through the ‘changes log’ to see if I could get behind the reason of the inclusion of the scene.

I see now that it’s a callback or in service to the earlier deleted scene that was restored between Finn and Poe.

That makes sense, and I can see the logic here…but I can honestly say that I had never put those pieces together!?

As I have never made that connection on any of the multiple times I have watched this, is it possible that that first moment between Finn and Poe just doesn’t resonate enough to carry all the way through to that point in the film and then hit it’s mark? If not, does it still warrant the callback in what may otherwise be a potentially redundant scene?

I think the first deleted scene has a LOT of merit. It’s dynamic, fast paced and has some really good, snappy character interaction and it serves the purpose of bringing Finn up to speed on the events he wasn’t party to at the end of TFA.

To offer my objective opinion, I think it’s THIS scene that is the payoff, where Finn’s arc from TFA is fully resolved (even though it’s delivered in a way that makes it seem like it’s no big deal…)

We, the audience have never really had any doubts about where Finn’s allegiances lie or whether or not he’s a coward, so maybe it’s Ok that the movie doesn’t make a big song and dance about it either and just moves on to other things by the 20 min mark?

It’s actually within the spirit of TLJ to drop the threads and conventions it doesn’t have any interest in exploring, so maybe this approach is right on point? 😃

I think if you’re going to excise the Phasma fight, the inclusion of this scene is pretty necessary to complete Finn’s story, such as it is. His story isn’t strong in TLJ, so similar to TFA that I didn’t get the distinction the first couple times I watched it. So his arc isn’t about being accepted by the Resistance (which we see in the first deleted scene with Poe), but rather about accepting his own place within the Resistance and that he is a part of their struggle. You’re right in that after TFA the audience never really doubts his allegiance, but the film does attempt to plant that doubt immediately and then resolve it toward the end. Finn’s story comes to a head in the theatrical after he bests Phasma and refers to himself as “rebel scum”. So in absence of that line, I think the subsequent deleted scene becomes much more necessary in solidifying his character arc in the film.

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#1326524
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant
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nl0428 said:

This might be ambitious and may not be something to do, but would you consider asking help from someone very talented and experienced with DeepFakes to fix Leia in the flashback scene. She looks too much like her character model in Battlefront II in there.

That’s Carrie Fisher’s actual face from Jedi, not CGI. I don’t know how an amateur could make it look better using deepfake technology.

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#1326208
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Rumor: COUNTDOWN to 'The Rise of Skywalker' - EXTENDED CUT...
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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

pleasehello said:

Would love it if this were true. But these rumor mill websites with their unnamed sources aren’t interested in reporting the truth.

Here’s a little-known fact: I love your avatar!

I think he’s an under- appreciated character. I mean someone’s got to deliver the mail on Hoth.

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#1325944
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Dom's (Possibly) Useful TROS Edit
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EddieDean said:

Keep the lesbian kiss, even though it is hamfisted and lazy and in no way makes up for the lack of proper representation, but because even so it’s still better than nothing.

Edit: Preempting any negative responses; representation isn’t an agenda.

Keep the gay kiss, remove the Rey and Kylo kiss.

Representation isn’t an agenda, but Disney didn’t insert a gay kiss because they care about representation.

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#1325495
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Does Kylo really deserve to be redeemed? Did he deserve to be Reys love interest?
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Broom Kid said:

How are the film scores apples & oranges?

Goldsmith’s score for the Motion Picture is great (and Goldsmith himself is a legend for very good reason) but a whole lot of Star Trek music is just… unremarkable. In some instances it’s actually bad. Especially once you start factoring in the TV shows. I don’t know that I can point to a single bad Star Wars score, though, and many of both series’ scores are trying to do the same thing, using the same musical language in a lot of instances.

I’m not saying there isn’t some timeless Star Trek music. But I can’t see an argument being made for Star Trek having a better musical component.

Sorry. I meant the franchises themselves are apples and oranges. Star Wars has a better musical component, yes.

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#1325466
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Does Kylo really deserve to be redeemed? Did he deserve to be Reys love interest?
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Broom Kid said:

Not that I’ve ever really gone in for comparing the two (oh, remember the days when that was the most contentious question in all of “Fandom?” how little did we know…) but I always felt that the comparison was ONLY fair when you took the very best of each series and measured those two, AT their best, against each other.

I will say this, the only area in which I think there’s no real argument whatsoever is that Star Wars has better music. That’s the only aspect where I don’t think there’s any contest at all.

Apples and oranges for me.

Star Wars film scores are much more consistent. But Jerry Goldsmith’s score for Star Trek: The Motion Picture is, in my mind anyway, as good as anything John Williams has written.