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liamnotneeson said:

Also, one last thing. I like the recoloring in the “Fatherly Ties” scene, but BOY OH BOY, that dialogue, “Betting on races.” I’ts objectively worse than anything else said in the prequels. Yeah the virgin birth in the PT wasn’t handled well, but this is not how it should be fixed

I don’t want to be a dick, I think it’s just a really dumb sequence of dialogue

I suggest you put this in a more polite or constructive manner - and take what you have seen in the context of what this project is - at the stage it is at (unfinished).

Warbler said:

I just wonder if oojason thinks the fight between Vader and Luke in ROTJ was a draw that was broken apart by the Emperor using force lightning.

If you’re wondering what I think about certain things you likely need to get a life mate.

And try not to project context of one argument into other situations. It does your own point of view - nor yourself - much good.

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DrDre said:

oojason said:

Right, yeah the screenplay - I didn’t see the edit for imsdb before posting.

Again, as you missed the part of my post where it says ‘you can even see it in the film, in case you need to go looking for more articles to prove what actually happened in the film… didn’t happen’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJTz-ahXyyI (around 4m 15s in - though watch the whole fight if you wish to take into consideration the context in which my original posts mentioned)

^ Doesn’t seem that there’s any time for that before the planet breaks up (again, I may have already mentioned this before - and also linked to it before).

 

I really got to get to bed. G’night.

I have watched the fight many times, and each came to the same conclusion every other user here did. She won the fight.

Kylo who’s already seriously injured, and psychologically compromised, is quickly outmatched by Rey once she composes herself, and allows the Force to guide her actions. She disarms, injures him, and puts him on his back. He looks hurt, and totally bewildered, while she’s towering over him with her lightsaber. Then the ground splits between them.

This is how I read the scene since the first time I saw it. I also believe, this is the intented interpretation of the creators.

You obviously see it differently, even if you appear to be unique in this view.

Let’s agree to disagree.

G’afternoon, by the way…

Seems we see it very much the same (my first post on this)…

oojason said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

Rey won a lightsaber fight without any training at all. This indicates that she is special and incredibly strong in the force and it begs for an explanation.

When was this lightsabre fight?

In TFA.

You are referring to the sabre fight vs Ren in TFA - where he was already injured from Chewbacca’s powerful crossbow shot, was bleeding from it, also taking a hit from his sabre fight with Finn, and also felt conflicted & weak over just killing his father? In a fight in which the aim was not to kill Rey - but to bring her to Snoke… a fight in which he actually offered to be her teacher… and in which Rey was on the backfoot for nearly all of it before ‘letting the force in’…

Rey didn’t win the lightsabre fight at all… even after ‘letting the force in’ as it were - though she had gained the upper hand by scarring him & put him on his arse - yet the fight was broken up by the planet coming apart…
 

(apart from the ‘result’)

And, aye, we should agree to disagree on this. Good afternoon to your good self mate 😃

TV’s Frink said:

Good night OT dot com. Good work. Sleep well. I’ll most likely kill you in the morning.

Thankfully, I awoke from my sleep to find my uncle standing over me about to strike me down with a lightsabre - so thought ‘best not then’, and had a cup of coffee instead.

Plus, there’s always tomorrow…

😉

Valheru_84 said:

I think watching TLJ has done something to my brain for me to watch this to the end…

https://youtu.be/ntnarC4ii1s

.Val

Brilliant - reminded me of some of the earlier video edits on youtube back in the day 😃

timemeddler said:

for me it’s definite no, don’t encouarge disney to produce vomit.

If you want to be critical of the films in the Disney era that’s fine.

Posting ‘produce vomit’ - is not, knock it off.

Right, yeah the screenplay - I didn’t see the edit for imsdb before posting.

Again, as you missed the part of my post where it says ‘you can even see it in the film, in case you need to go looking for more articles to prove what actually happened in the film… didn’t happen’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJTz-ahXyyI (around 4m 15s in - though watch the whole fight if you wish to take into consideration the context in which my original posts mentioned)

^ Doesn’t seem that there’s any time for that before the planet breaks up (again, I may have already mentioned this before - and also linked to it before).

I really got to get to bed. G’night.

DrDre said:

oojason said:

DrDre said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

Rey won a lightsaber fight without any training at all. This indicates that she is special and incredibly strong in the force and it begs for an explanation.

When was this lightsabre fight?

In TFA.

You are referring to the sabre fight vs Ren in TFA - where he was already injured from Chewbacca’s powerful crossbow shot, was bleeding from it, also taking a hit from his sabre fight with Finn, and also felt conflicted & weak over just killing his father? In a fight in which the aim was not to kill Rey - but to bring her to Snoke… a fight in which he actually offered to be her teacher… and in which Rey was on the backfoot for nearly all of it before ‘letting the force in’…

Rey didn’t win the lightsabre fight at all… even after ‘letting the force in’ as it were - though she had gained the upper hand by scarring him & put him on his arse - yet the fight was broken up by the planet coming apart…

Um, she did win the fight. The only reason he survived or wasn’t taken prisoner is because of the planet coming apart.

No, he’s just on his arse. There was no winner due to the planet coming apart.

Go watch the fight again. He was on ass before the planet came apart. He was on the ground helpless for 15 seconds before the planet came apart and they were separated. She won the fight.

Look this and tell me she didn’t win the fight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJTz-ahXyyI&feature=youtu.be&t=4m18s

How about you go watch all of the fight again? And post in on here (don’t worry - I have below).

Just because - as I stated before - he is on his arse and scarred in the final few blows of the fight - doesn’t mean she won the fight.

The planet came apart before there was any ‘winner’.

Selecting certain scenes from an overall event to highlight an opinion does not make it fact. I find it baffling that you think it does.

Try watching the whole fight, here you go - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJTz-ahXyyI - and put it into context of my previous posts. Rey is on the back foot and losing the fight - on the edge of a ‘cliff’ before she let’s the force in… and even then the planet breaks apart before there any winner…

I don’t buy this. Did Luke not win the fight against Vader in ROTJ? Vader was wounded, disarmed, and on his arse like Kylo. Once Rey found her composure, and used the Force she got the better of Kylo pretty quickly. If the earthquake had not separated them, she could have sliced him in half. I would call that winning the fight.

Again, don’t take my previous comments out of context - or give conjecture to them (‘could’) - in that…

'You are referring to the sabre fight vs Ren in TFA - where he was already injured from Chewbacca’s powerful crossbow shot, was bleeding from it, also taking a hit from his sabre fight with Finn, and also felt conflicted & weak over just killing his father? In a fight in which the aim was not to kill Rey - but to bring her to Snoke… a fight in which he actually offered to be her teacher… and in which Rey was on the backfoot for nearly all of it before ‘letting the force in’…

Rey didn’t win the lightsabre fight at all… even after ‘letting the force in’ as it were - though she had gained the upper hand by scarring him & put him on his arse - yet the fight was broken up by the planet coming apart…’

For all we know Kylo could have lost his cool - in doing so ignoring Snoke’s instructions to bring her to him and sliced her in half… see conjecture…
 

Again, circular arguments selectively cherrypicked to try - and fail - to prove your point does you - nor you view any favours.

Sorry this makes no sense to me. You’re willfully ignoring what happens in the film. Kylo isn’t even able to properly defend himself, which is why he lands in his arse wounded and beaten. Vader did not want to kill Luke. He wanted to turn Luke. Conjecture: Vader loses his cool, ignores his master’s wishes, and slices Luke in half. Ergo, Vader didn’t lose the fight. Doesn’t sound very convincing, does it?

Snoke in TLJ:

“You got beaten by a girl? A novice?!!”

I will repeat that phrase: BEATEN. Kylo Ren got beaten in TFA. That’s the official canon.

According to Snoke’s point of view - in a dismissive put-down to Ren. That it not canon. A girl who Snoke now realises is the light rising to fight the darkness - not Skywalker as he mistakenly assumed earlier (and mentioned earlier - which again you seemed to have conveniently ignored, again).

And I didn’t mention Vader and Luke at all.

Plus, once again the planet breaks up before there is a winner.

 

She may well be special and strong with the force - Snoke’s on-screen ascertain to Rey that… ‘So much strength. Darkness rises and light to meet it’ & ‘I warned my young apprentice that as he grew stronger that the equal in the light would rise’ (and his mistaken assumption that was Luke - not Rey) is a statement of this. That you choose to ignore this as an explanation is on you.

As I said, I buy that explanation because this thing of the equal of the light rising wasn’t shown or referred to in any of the other movies.

Things evolve and change over the course of these films - that they aren’t mentioned or shown previously does not negate them. That it is mentioned on-screen - whether you agree, dislike, or ‘buy’ it - does not negate it.

Either it is a thing that exists or it doesn’t. If it exists what are the odds something like wouldn’t be mentioned at all?
It didn’t happen the PT, It didn’t happen between Luke and Vader. It is not mentioned at all in any previous film. That is the problem when you decide to invent something new, you have to account for its absence in the prior films. I don’t the evolve and change stuff. Either this is something the force does or it doesn’t.

If you want to ignore an explanation then go ahead and ignore it - but don’t then state there wasn’t one / or that it then ‘begs for an explanation’.

Maybe I should have said “begs for a better explanation”.

It exists in this film - as stated above. You can go back and select whatever criteria you wish - it does not make it that it did not happen in this film. I don’t have to account for it not appearing for it’s absence in previous films at all - as that is not what the context of the situation is about.

Though if so, I could point out that the balance of the force - and it’s interpretation - is indeed mentioned in the PT, yes?

Nice one, thanks.

Yes, and that interpretation is, that balance to the Force is equated to destroying the Sith, as stated in ROTS by Obi-Wan, and since confirmed by Lucas in interviews after ROTS was released.

No, It is also mentioned by Mace Windu too, amongst others. Yes? Without equating the balance in destroying the Sith? Thank you for the reminder in proving my point.

George can say what he wants in interviews after the fact - he is hardly a paragon of consistency, or fact/truth is he?

Yes, the balance is mentioned without any explanation. The only explanation given in the films is the one given by Obi-Wan, hence it is the only correct interpretation. Anything else is fan fiction, or head canon. Luke’s parentage was only confirmed by Yoda in ROTJ. Should we thus ignore this fact, because it doesn’t fit a fan’s narrative? I’m sure Lucas has mentioned Vader being Luke’s father too in interviews, but…

George can say what he wants in interviews after the fact - he is hardly a paragon of consistency, or fact/truth is he?

Actually, it is mentioned in the context of the prophecy of ‘the one who will bring balance to the force’ - as previously stated, an interpretation - but actually mentioned - which was the point. This is a fact - not a fan’s narrative, yes?

Again, thanks.
 

I’ve had my fill of answering selective statements whilst going around in circles - again, as stated before. I’m sure you’ll have even more selective statements out of context repeatedly made for those who disagree with your opinions on TLJ. If not, there are always Rey is the Wonder Woman of Star Wars universe type quips.
 

As for StarWars.com articles - Rey didn’t have time to spare Kylo’s life… the erm… planet broke up before there was a winner (I think I may have mentioned it before 😉) - you can even see it in the film, in case you need to go looking for more articles to ‘prove’ what actually happened in the film… didn’t happen. Or something.

G’night.

Disney Ruined Star Wars said:

oojason said:

Get over yourself.

Anyway…

See Rule 2 - ‘Don’t attack other members personally. When debating, argue the point, not the person’ - as ray_afraid said previously, it is a personal attack on those who do enjoy them.

I suggest you heed the rule.

 

And also, lose the attitude.

I don’t have an attitude. You threatened me and (incorrectly) said I was trolling people, when it’s obvious I wasn’t. Someone else posted a disingenuous meme that I rebutted with logic. If you like the movie you like it, if you don’t like it you don’t like it, but some people can’t let any slight go unanswered, even if they have to do mental gymnastics to make dishonest points.

At the objection of another user, I did go back and qualify my statement by saying not all people who like the movie are that way. Of course that’s true, and I regret that in my haste I implied otherwise.

If you had politely pointed out my improper generalization, I would have quickly agreed with you. Don’t you think?

But rudeness without an any effort at discourse is usually a sign of contempt.
Is it the user name, or the hatred of TLJ and Disney? Just curious.

I missed this.

No, I didn’t threaten you - incorrectly or otherwise. Nor did I say you were trolling people.

I suggest you re-read my words again…

‘If that is your attitude - then why are you here? To bait or antagonise those on here that do like these films? If so your stay here is going to be a short one.’

Note the question - not a statement, not a threat - just a heads-up that IF you are here to bait or antagonise those on here that do like these films your stay on here will be a short one.
 

And you certainly do have an attitude - your posts to me alone prove so.

Rein it in.

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

Rey won a lightsaber fight without any training at all. This indicates that she is special and incredibly strong in the force and it begs for an explanation.

When was this lightsabre fight?

In TFA.

You are referring to the sabre fight vs Ren in TFA - where he was already injured from Chewbacca’s powerful crossbow shot, was bleeding from it, also taking a hit from his sabre fight with Finn, and also felt conflicted & weak over just killing his father? In a fight in which the aim was not to kill Rey - but to bring her to Snoke… a fight in which he actually offered to be her teacher… and in which Rey was on the backfoot for nearly all of it before ‘letting the force in’…

Rey didn’t win the lightsabre fight at all… even after ‘letting the force in’ as it were - though she had gained the upper hand by scarring him & put him on his arse - yet the fight was broken up by the planet coming apart…

Um, she did win the fight. The only reason he survived or wasn’t taken prisoner is because of the planet coming apart.

No, he’s just on his arse. There was no winner due to the planet coming apart.

Go watch the fight again. He was on ass before the planet came apart. He was on the ground helpless for 15 seconds before the planet came apart and they were separated. She won the fight.

Look this and tell me she didn’t win the fight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJTz-ahXyyI&feature=youtu.be&t=4m18s

How about you go watch all of the fight again? And post in on here (don’t worry - I have below).

I did watch all of it and posted the ending above.

Just because - as I stated before - he is on his arse and scarred in the final few blows of the fight - doesn’t mean she won the fight.

He was on the ground helpless. Him scarred, her not. She still had her Saber, he didn’t. I don’t know how you can look at that ending and tell me that she didn’t win the fight.

Just because he is scarred - doesn’t mean she won the fight - again see my previous posts.

The planet came apart before there was any ‘winner’.

You are flat out wrong.

The planet didn’t come apart before there was any winner? Right…

Selecting certain scenes from an overall event to highlight an opinion does not make it fact. I find it baffling that you think it does.

I find it baffling that you don’t think the end of a lightsaber fight determines who wins. I find it baffling that you can look at that ending and not think Rey won.

Once again, the planet coming apart ended the fight, no?

Try watching the whole fight, here you go - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJTz-ahXyyI - and put it into context of my previous posts. Rey is on the back foot and losing the fight - on the edge of a ‘cliff’ before she let’s the force in… and even then the planet breaks apart before there any winner…

As I said above, I already watched it. All of it

And in the context of my previous posts? No, I didn’t think so - no worries.

Mate, that you repeatedly ignore what is being posted in reply to you just re-affirms my thinking that you are selectively cherrypicking parts of responses that you don’t agree with or wish to engage with.

That’s cool. I’ll leave it there, by all means feel free to repeat yourself yet again.

DrDre said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

Rey won a lightsaber fight without any training at all. This indicates that she is special and incredibly strong in the force and it begs for an explanation.

When was this lightsabre fight?

In TFA.

You are referring to the sabre fight vs Ren in TFA - where he was already injured from Chewbacca’s powerful crossbow shot, was bleeding from it, also taking a hit from his sabre fight with Finn, and also felt conflicted & weak over just killing his father? In a fight in which the aim was not to kill Rey - but to bring her to Snoke… a fight in which he actually offered to be her teacher… and in which Rey was on the backfoot for nearly all of it before ‘letting the force in’…

Rey didn’t win the lightsabre fight at all… even after ‘letting the force in’ as it were - though she had gained the upper hand by scarring him & put him on his arse - yet the fight was broken up by the planet coming apart…

Um, she did win the fight. The only reason he survived or wasn’t taken prisoner is because of the planet coming apart.

No, he’s just on his arse. There was no winner due to the planet coming apart.

Go watch the fight again. He was on ass before the planet came apart. He was on the ground helpless for 15 seconds before the planet came apart and they were separated. She won the fight.

Look this and tell me she didn’t win the fight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJTz-ahXyyI&feature=youtu.be&t=4m18s

How about you go watch all of the fight again? And post in on here (don’t worry - I have below).

Just because - as I stated before - he is on his arse and scarred in the final few blows of the fight - doesn’t mean she won the fight.

The planet came apart before there was any ‘winner’.

Selecting certain scenes from an overall event to highlight an opinion does not make it fact. I find it baffling that you think it does.

Try watching the whole fight, here you go - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJTz-ahXyyI - and put it into context of my previous posts. Rey is on the back foot and losing the fight - on the edge of a ‘cliff’ before she let’s the force in… and even then the planet breaks apart before there any winner…

I don’t buy this. Did Luke not win the fight against Vader in ROTJ? Vader was wounded, disarmed, and on his arse like Kylo. Once Rey found her composure, and used the Force she got the better of Kylo pretty quickly. If the earthquake had not separated them, she could have sliced him in half. I would call that winning the fight.

Again, don’t take my previous comments out of context - or give conjecture to them (‘could’) - in that…

'You are referring to the sabre fight vs Ren in TFA - where he was already injured from Chewbacca’s powerful crossbow shot, was bleeding from it, also taking a hit from his sabre fight with Finn, and also felt conflicted & weak over just killing his father? In a fight in which the aim was not to kill Rey - but to bring her to Snoke… a fight in which he actually offered to be her teacher… and in which Rey was on the backfoot for nearly all of it before ‘letting the force in’…

Rey didn’t win the lightsabre fight at all… even after ‘letting the force in’ as it were - though she had gained the upper hand by scarring him & put him on his arse - yet the fight was broken up by the planet coming apart…’

For all we know Kylo could have lost his cool - in doing so ignoring Snoke’s instructions to bring her to him and sliced her in half… see conjecture…
 

Again, circular arguments selectively cherrypicked to try - and fail - to prove your point does you - nor you view any favours.

 

She may well be special and strong with the force - Snoke’s on-screen ascertain to Rey that… ‘So much strength. Darkness rises and light to meet it’ & ‘I warned my young apprentice that as he grew stronger that the equal in the light would rise’ (and his mistaken assumption that was Luke - not Rey) is a statement of this. That you choose to ignore this as an explanation is on you.

As I said, I buy that explanation because this thing of the equal of the light rising wasn’t shown or referred to in any of the other movies.

Things evolve and change over the course of these films - that they aren’t mentioned or shown previously does not negate them. That it is mentioned on-screen - whether you agree, dislike, or ‘buy’ it - does not negate it.

Either it is a thing that exists or it doesn’t. If it exists what are the odds something like wouldn’t be mentioned at all?
It didn’t happen the PT, It didn’t happen between Luke and Vader. It is not mentioned at all in any previous film. That is the problem when you decide to invent something new, you have to account for its absence in the prior films. I don’t the evolve and change stuff. Either this is something the force does or it doesn’t.

If you want to ignore an explanation then go ahead and ignore it - but don’t then state there wasn’t one / or that it then ‘begs for an explanation’.

Maybe I should have said “begs for a better explanation”.

It exists in this film - as stated above. You can go back and select whatever criteria you wish - it does not make it that it did not happen in this film. I don’t have to account for it not appearing for it’s absence in previous films at all - as that is not what the context of the situation is about.

Though if so, I could point out that the balance of the force - and it’s interpretation - is indeed mentioned in the PT, yes?

Nice one, thanks.

Yes, and that interpretation is, that balance to the Force is equated to destroying the Sith, as stated in ROTS by Obi-Wan, and since confirmed by Lucas in interviews after ROTS was released.

No, It is also mentioned by Mace Windu too, amongst others. Yes? Without equating the balance in destroying the Sith? Thank you for the reminder in proving my point.

George can say what he wants in interviews after the fact - he is hardly a paragon of consistency, or fact/truth is he?

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

Rey won a lightsaber fight without any training at all. This indicates that she is special and incredibly strong in the force and it begs for an explanation.

When was this lightsabre fight?

In TFA.

You are referring to the sabre fight vs Ren in TFA - where he was already injured from Chewbacca’s powerful crossbow shot, was bleeding from it, also taking a hit from his sabre fight with Finn, and also felt conflicted & weak over just killing his father? In a fight in which the aim was not to kill Rey - but to bring her to Snoke… a fight in which he actually offered to be her teacher… and in which Rey was on the backfoot for nearly all of it before ‘letting the force in’…

Rey didn’t win the lightsabre fight at all… even after ‘letting the force in’ as it were - though she had gained the upper hand by scarring him & put him on his arse - yet the fight was broken up by the planet coming apart…

Um, she did win the fight. The only reason he survived or wasn’t taken prisoner is because of the planet coming apart.

No, he’s just on his arse. There was no winner due to the planet coming apart.

Go watch the fight again. He was on ass before the planet came apart. He was on the ground helpless for 15 seconds before the planet came apart and they were separated. She won the fight.

Look this and tell me she didn’t win the fight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJTz-ahXyyI&feature=youtu.be&t=4m18s

How about you go watch all of the fight again? And post in on here (don’t worry - I have below).

Just because - as I stated before - he is on his arse and scarred in the final few blows of the fight - doesn’t mean she won the fight.

The planet came apart before there was any ‘winner’.

Selecting certain scenes from an overall event to highlight an opinion does not make it fact. I find it baffling that you think it does.

Try watching the whole fight, here you go - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJTz-ahXyyI - and put it into context of my previous posts. Rey is on the back foot and losing the fight - on the edge of a ‘cliff’ before she let’s the force in… and even then the planet breaks apart before there any winner…

 

She may well be special and strong with the force - Snoke’s on-screen ascertain to Rey that… ‘So much strength. Darkness rises and light to meet it’ & ‘I warned my young apprentice that as he grew stronger that the equal in the light would rise’ (and his mistaken assumption that was Luke - not Rey) is a statement of this. That you choose to ignore this as an explanation is on you.

As I said, I buy that explanation because this thing of the equal of the light rising wasn’t shown or referred to in any of the other movies.

Things evolve and change over the course of these films - that they aren’t mentioned or shown previously does not negate them. That it is mentioned on-screen - whether you agree, dislike, or ‘buy’ it - does not negate it.

Either it is a thing that exists or it doesn’t. If it exists what are the odds something like wouldn’t be mentioned at all?
It didn’t happen the PT, It didn’t happen between Luke and Vader. It is not mentioned at all in any previous film. That is the problem when you decide to invent something new, you have to account for its absence in the prior films. I don’t the evolve and change stuff. Either this is something the force does or it doesn’t.

If you want to ignore an explanation then go ahead and ignore it - but don’t then state there wasn’t one / or that it then ‘begs for an explanation’.

Maybe I should have said “begs for a better explanation”.

It exists in this film - as stated above. You can go back and select whatever criteria you wish - it does not make it that it did not happen in this film. I don’t have to account for it not appearing for it’s absence in previous films at all - as that is not what the context of the situation is about.

Though if so, I could point out that the balance of the force - and it’s interpretation - is indeed mentioned in the PT, yes?

Nice one, thanks.

Collipso said:

I personally never thought Luke used the Force in Episode IV and never thought Anakin used the Force in Episode I. I think I might be the only one to think this way on this site.

So because of this, I think Rey being as powerful as she was in TFA was absurd. And it continues through TLJ.

TFA:

• mind trick out of her ***
• beating Kylo Ren’s force pull
• beating Kylo Ren period.

TLJ:

• it bothered me a little bit how she was so instantly connected to the force in the scene where Luke explains it to her, but at the same time I think it’s not a valid complaint.
• she beats Luke
• she kicks everyone’s *** in the throne room for no reason
• she can lift 10x more rocks than Luke even after Luke had several training sessions and Luke had an extremely high potential to be powerful with the force too.

Aye, she really kicked Snoke’s arse in the throne room alright. She was that powerful if it wasn’t for the greed and lust for power of Ren that she’d be dead.

DrDre said:

oojason said:

DrDre said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

Rey won a lightsaber fight without any training at all. This indicates that she is special and incredibly strong in the force and it begs for an explanation.

When was this lightsabre fight?

In TFA.

You are referring to the sabre fight vs Ren in TFA - where he was already injured from Chewbacca’s powerful crossbow shot, was bleeding from it, also taking a hit from his sabre fight with Finn, and also felt conflicted & weak over just killing his father? In a fight in which the aim was not to kill Rey - but to bring her to Snoke… a fight in which he actually offered to be her teacher… and in which Rey was on the backfoot for nearly all of it before ‘letting the force in’…

Rey didn’t win the lightsabre fight at all… even after ‘letting the force in’ as it were - though she had gained the upper hand by scarring him & put him on his arse - yet the fight was broken up by the planet coming apart…

Um, she did win the fight. The only reason he survived or wasn’t taken prisoner is because of the planet coming apart.

No, he’s just on his arse. There was no winner due to the planet coming apart.

 

She may well be special and strong with the force - Snoke’s on-screen ascertain to Rey that… ‘So much strength. Darkness rises and light to meet it’ & ‘I warned my young apprentice that as he grew stronger that the equal in the light would rise’ (and his mistaken assumption that was Luke - not Rey) is a statement of this. That you choose to ignore this as an explanation is on you.

As I said, I buy that explanation because this thing of the equal of the light rising wasn’t shown or referred to in any of the other movies.

Things evolve and change over the course of these films - that they aren’t mentioned or shown previously does not negate them. That it is mentioned on-screen - whether you agree, dislike, or ‘buy’ it - does not negate it.

If you want to ignore an explanation then go ahead and ignore it - but don’t then state there wasn’t one / or that it then ‘begs for an explanation’.

Well if the explanation is argued to make no sense in the context of what came before or to be underdeveloped, than it does negate the explanation in the eyes of the beholder. That’s what we’re debating here I think.

The ‘balance’ in the force is a theme (and it’s interpretation) that has run through the films. That light rises to meet darkness or darkness rises to meet the light is hardly anything new in TLJ - or underdeveloped previously.

Not really IMO. Lucas’ interpretation of balance is, that the Sith are like a cancer and bring the Force out of balance, and their destruction will restore balance. I never really liked this, and felt is was pretty vague, but that still doesn’t present a precedent for just anybody instantly getting Jedi powers, because there’s a dark side Force user running loose in the galaxy in my view.

(posted before your edit to include IMO and a dark side force user running lose)
 

Yes. Really. It is what has occurred onscreen - whether you like it or not - felt that it was pretty vague or not, or stating that it’s not a precedent is nether here nor there. It happened - and ran through the films.

I can see why there has been much circular debate and repetition in this thread given people’s ‘certain point of view’ and selective choosing of what has happened - or not - onscreen, as a reason for not liking certain characters, plots and quality of films.

I’ll leave it there - wonder woman indeed.

DrDre said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

Rey won a lightsaber fight without any training at all. This indicates that she is special and incredibly strong in the force and it begs for an explanation.

When was this lightsabre fight?

In TFA.

You are referring to the sabre fight vs Ren in TFA - where he was already injured from Chewbacca’s powerful crossbow shot, was bleeding from it, also taking a hit from his sabre fight with Finn, and also felt conflicted & weak over just killing his father? In a fight in which the aim was not to kill Rey - but to bring her to Snoke… a fight in which he actually offered to be her teacher… and in which Rey was on the backfoot for nearly all of it before ‘letting the force in’…

Rey didn’t win the lightsabre fight at all… even after ‘letting the force in’ as it were - though she had gained the upper hand by scarring him & put him on his arse - yet the fight was broken up by the planet coming apart…

Um, she did win the fight. The only reason he survived or wasn’t taken prisoner is because of the planet coming apart.

No, he’s just on his arse. There was no winner due to the planet coming apart.

 

She may well be special and strong with the force - Snoke’s on-screen ascertain to Rey that… ‘So much strength. Darkness rises and light to meet it’ & ‘I warned my young apprentice that as he grew stronger that the equal in the light would rise’ (and his mistaken assumption that was Luke - not Rey) is a statement of this. That you choose to ignore this as an explanation is on you.

As I said, I buy that explanation because this thing of the equal of the light rising wasn’t shown or referred to in any of the other movies.

Things evolve and change over the course of these films - that they aren’t mentioned or shown previously does not negate them. That it is mentioned on-screen - whether you agree, dislike, or ‘buy’ it - does not negate it.

If you want to ignore an explanation then go ahead and ignore it - but don’t then state there wasn’t one / or that it then ‘begs for an explanation’.

Well if the explanation is argued to make no sense in the context of what came before or to be underdeveloped, than it does negate the explanation in the eyes of the beholder. That’s what we’re debating here I think.

The ‘balance’ in the force is a theme (and it’s interpretation) that has run through the films. That light rises to meet darkness or darkness rises to meet the light is hardly anything new in TLJ - or underdeveloped previously.

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

Rey won a lightsaber fight without any training at all. This indicates that she is special and incredibly strong in the force and it begs for an explanation.

When was this lightsabre fight?

In TFA.

You are referring to the sabre fight vs Ren in TFA - where he was already injured from Chewbacca’s powerful crossbow shot, was bleeding from it, also taking a hit from his sabre fight with Finn, and also felt conflicted & weak over just killing his father? In a fight in which the aim was not to kill Rey - but to bring her to Snoke… a fight in which he actually offered to be her teacher… and in which Rey was on the backfoot for nearly all of it before ‘letting the force in’…

Rey didn’t win the lightsabre fight at all… even after ‘letting the force in’ as it were - though she had gained the upper hand by scarring him & put him on his arse - yet the fight was broken up by the planet coming apart…

Um, she did win the fight. The only reason he survived or wasn’t taken prisoner is because of the planet coming apart.

No, he’s just on his arse. There was no winner due to the planet coming apart.

 

She may well be special and strong with the force - Snoke’s on-screen ascertain to Rey that… ‘So much strength. Darkness rises and light to meet it’ & ‘I warned my young apprentice that as he grew stronger that the equal in the light would rise’ (and his mistaken assumption that was Luke - not Rey) is a statement of this. That you choose to ignore this as an explanation is on you.

As I said, I buy that explanation because this thing of the equal of the light rising wasn’t shown or referred to in any of the other movies.

Things evolve and change over the course of these films - that they aren’t mentioned or shown previously does not negate them. That it is mentioned on-screen - whether you agree, dislike, or ‘buy’ it - does not negate it.

If you want to ignore an explanation then go ahead and ignore it - but don’t then state there wasn’t one / or that it then ‘begs for an explanation’.

Warbler said:

oojason said:

Warbler said:

Rey won a lightsaber fight without any training at all. This indicates that she is special and incredibly strong in the force and it begs for an explanation.

When was this lightsabre fight?

In TFA.

You are referring to the sabre fight vs Ren in TFA - where he was already injured from Chewbacca’s powerful crossbow shot, was bleeding from it, also taking a hit from his sabre fight with Finn, and also felt conflicted & weak over just killing his father? In a fight in which the aim was not to kill Rey - but to bring her to Snoke… a fight in which he actually offered to be her teacher… and in which Rey was on the backfoot for nearly all of it before ‘letting the force in’…

Rey didn’t win the lightsabre fight at all… even after ‘letting the force in’ as it were - though she had gained the upper hand by scarring him & put him on his arse - yet the fight was broken up by the planet coming apart…
 

She may well be special and strong with the force - Snoke’s on-screen ascertain to Rey that… ‘So much strength. Darkness rises and light to meet it’ & ‘I warned my young apprentice that as he grew stronger that the equal in the light would rise’ (and his mistaken assumption that was Luke - not Rey) is a statement of this. That you choose to ignore this as an explanation is on you.

Warbler said:

Rey won a lightsaber fight without any training at all. This indicates that she is special and incredibly strong in the force and it begs for an explanation.

When was this lightsabre fight?

I’m thinking you could have asked this question in either of…

the ‘General Star Wars Random Thoughts’ thread

or

the ‘General Star Wars Questions’ thread

😉

^ from https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/946887382858547200

Disney Ruined Star Wars said:

oojason said:

Disney Ruined Star Wars said:

Possessed said:

This meme or whatever you call it is dumb. Obi-Wan didn’t tell Luke: “hey you’re Dad was an asshole and the Jedi deserve to die.” Yoda never told Luke: “there is no dark side or light side. the jedi were arrogant and wrong”.

The people who defend these ST movies are no different than the people who defend the prequels. Mental gymnastics and totally ignoring the spirit of the original movies. But hey look it’s Darth Mual with his cool double bladed lightsaber. Er…I mean look it’s Porgs and Kylo Ren with a saber handle! It’s Star Wars duh!

If that is your attitude - then why are you here? To bait or antaognise those on here that do like these films? If so your stay here is going to be a short one.

Excuse me, am I not allowed to post my thoughts on the movie? What did I do to violate the rules? Or you just disagree with me and my posts bother you so you’d rather silence them?

I simply stated that if are to here to bait or antagonise those on here that do like these films your stay is going to be a short one.

No-one is being silenced here - and there are plenty of others who’ve voiced their disapproval of various SW films in a critical manner without baiting or antagonising those who do enjoy them.

Get over yourself.

Disney Ruined Star Wars said:

oojason said:

Disney Ruined Star Wars said:

Possessed said:

This meme or whatever you call it is dumb. Obi-Wan didn’t tell Luke: “hey you’re Dad was an asshole and the Jedi deserve to die.” Yoda never told Luke: “there is no dark side or light side. the jedi were arrogant and wrong”.

The people who defend these ST movies are no different than the people who defend the prequels. Mental gymnastics and totally ignoring the spirit of the original movies. But hey look it’s Darth Mual with his cool double bladed lightsaber. Er…I mean look it’s Porgs and Kylo Ren with a saber handle! It’s Star Wars duh!

If that is your attitude - then why are you here? To bait or antaognise those on here that do like these films? If so your stay here is going to be a short one.

Since I’m new here, can you point out which rule I violated that deserved you to threaten me? I read through them…

1. My post was on topic about the movie and the franchise in general.
2. I didn’t attack anyone.
3. I didn’t use any profanity.
4. I don’t have a signature.
5. I didn’t make an image-only post.
6. I did not harass anyone.
7. I didn’t make any personal attacks, let alone the ones listed.
8. I don’t have a sock account, I’m new here.

I can’t see any reason you would threaten me except you don’t like my point of view. I wasn’t aware that was against the rules.

I haven’t threatened you - and you know it. Read the above ‘there are plenty of others who’ve voiced their disapproval in a critical manner without baiting or antagonising those who do enjoy them’.

I do find it interesting that haven’t denied you are here to bait or antagonise others.
 

Anyway…

See Rule 2 - ‘Don’t attack other members personally. When debating, argue the point, not the person’ - as ray_afraid said previously, it is a personal attack on those who do enjoy them.

I suggest you heed the rule.

And also, lose the attitude.

Disney Ruined Star Wars said:

Possessed said:

This meme or whatever you call it is dumb. Obi-Wan didn’t tell Luke: “hey you’re Dad was an asshole and the Jedi deserve to die.” Yoda never told Luke: “there is no dark side or light side. the jedi were arrogant and wrong”.

The people who defend these ST movies are no different than the people who defend the prequels. Mental gymnastics and totally ignoring the spirit of the original movies. But hey look it’s Darth Mual with his cool double bladed lightsaber. Er…I mean look it’s Porgs and Kylo Ren with a saber handle! It’s Star Wars duh!

If that is your attitude - then why are you here? To bait or antaognise those on here that do like these films? If so your stay here is going to be a short one.

michaeljack said:

I’ve been looking for some Star Wars merchandise…and had recently come up with this https://imgur.com/GX0uh2T
Does anyone knows the site offering the same…???

https://www.angeljackets.com/categories/Star-Wars-Jackets-Shop/ (they have a lot of other stuff too)

https://www.angeljackets.com/products/Star-Wars-May-Be-The-Porgs-Be-With-You-Hoodie.html