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#1228195
Topic
Taking a stand against toxic fandom (and other )
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DrDre said:

TV’s Frink said:

In my view Photoshopping her head on a hulk body is not fair game.

Is creating a caricature of the Prophet Muhammad fair game? In my view it is. That’s the way free speech works, and that right should be defended in my view, even if you disagree with what is depicted. If creating a caricature of a Prophet is fair game, then so is creating a caricature of the Star Wars character Rey. If it was a caricature of Daisy Ridley, that attempts to ridicule her personally, then I would agree with you.

That’s free speech - not toxicity. For many people they would consider a caricature of the Prophet Muhammad to be toxic, and in my view rightly so.

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#1228194
Topic
Taking a stand against toxic fandom (and other )
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TV’s Frink said:

In my view Photoshopping her head on a hulk body is not fair game.

Same for many people I imagine.

As well as the constant Kennedy bashing - much of it not based in fact - and without balance, and with words literally put in her mouth - for effect. And money.

The whole premise of certain channels seems to be there are enough people out there that they can make from money from saying any old tat to certain demographic of Star Wars fans - true or not - without balance or fact - by just focusing on a few key words, Mary Sue, Kathleen Kennedy, TLJ sucks, Rian Johnson, Disney sucks, sjws etc.

A quick look at the videos on certain channels back it up.

Yep, they seem pretty toxic.

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#1228161
Topic
Taking a stand against toxic fandom (and other )
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DrDre said:

oojason said:

Kellythatsit said:

These people deserve to be called out as the abhorrent jerks they are. Seriously, this is a series of fictional films! People are sending death threats and behaving like absolute nobs just because someone made a star war they didn’t like, or wrote a story they felt was boring, or were a bit confused by all the long words they used.

It’s time these “fans” chilled the **** out and realised their sense of entitlement doesn’t give them the right to troll and abuse people whose only “crime” was to try to make something others would enjoy. It sickens me to see Daisy Ridley and Kelly Marie Tran forced to close down their Instagram accounts because idiots think it’s their right to post hateful dribble at them when they post a photo, just because they were in Star Wars.

Meanwhile shows like RFR and Geeks and Gamers pander their self important drivel to these dregs of the community in a wholly transparent attempt to get more subscriptions and likes.

Well said mate

I disagree with the latter part. Once you start conflating critical platforms such as RFR and Geeks and Gamers with toxic fandom and the like, you’re on a very slippery slope. Similar tactics were used against many liberals in the cold war. Suddenly, everyone who’s on the opposite side is at best potentially a commie/toxic, or at worst guilty by association.

That’s ok that you don’t agree. For many they aren’t considered critical platforms - they are considered toxic. Some may think they are a little of both or varying degrees of. That people enjoy them and like them is up to them - personally I think they’re toxic.

I also like to think many of the people on here, and SW fandom in large, can differentiate between genuine, balanced, legitimate, or informative criticisms of a film(s) - and alternative views therein - and the type of toxic content often found on those and similar platforms (as well as a lack of genuine, balanced, legitimate, or informative criticism on them). Though again, if people like them, or believe they do the find above in those platforms, or aren’t interested in those things… then fair play - it’s up to them.
 

If I want to see shite like this…

(^ the cover used by Geeks and Gamers for their ‘The Last Jedi - Disney Basically Admits That Rey is a Mary Sue’ video (Disney didn’t ‘admit’ anything))

… and numerous articles on Kathleen Kennedy perceivingly ‘failing’, or doing something ‘wrong’, or not to their liking, or have words put in her mouth… I’ll know where to go. Until then I stay away from the toxic shite like that - and can get what I consider to more quality, balanced insight and actual factual-based criticism elsewhere.

Just my two-penneth.
 

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#1228137
Topic
Taking a stand against toxic fandom (and other )
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Kellythatsit said:

These people deserve to be called out as the abhorrent jerks they are. Seriously, this is a series of fictional films! People are sending death threats and behaving like absolute nobs just because someone made a star war they didn’t like, or wrote a story they felt was boring, or were a bit confused by all the long words they used.

It’s time these “fans” chilled the **** out and realised their sense of entitlement doesn’t give them the right to troll and abuse people whose only “crime” was to try to make something others would enjoy. It sickens me to see Daisy Ridley and Kelly Marie Tran forced to close down their Instagram accounts because idiots think it’s their right to post hateful dribble at them when they post a photo, just because they were in Star Wars.

Meanwhile shows like RFR and Geeks and Gamers pander their self important drivel to these dregs of the community in a wholly transparent attempt to get more subscriptions and likes.

Well said mate

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#1228131
Topic
A Complete Set?
Time

The talented ChainsawAsh knocked up some quality covers which may be of interest mate…

ChainsawAsh said:

lilmanjs said:

Are there any alt covers for the Hal9000 edits of the prequel trilogy? Looking to get cases to stick my dvd copies in. Sorry if this is not the place to ask.

I’ve got some BR sized covers for them somewhere. Gimme a bit and I’ll try to find a link.

EDIT: Here are my “theatrical spine logo” ones.

And here are my “saga spine logo” ones.

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#1227956
Topic
Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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yotsuya said:

Shopping Maul said:

I liked Luke’s vibe in TLJ in theory, but the execution bugged me somewhat. Luke in exile was great. Luke reconsidering past events and pondering (as I have as a fan) the idea of Jedi hubris was great. Luke suggesting that the old Jedi orthodoxy had to die was great. All the stuff about the Force and ‘balance’ and how no-one has a particular claim to it was absolutely great.

What I didn’t like so much was the idea of Luke being on the back foot with all this. Having Yoda come back to give Luke a lecture on ‘failure’ annoyed me. Luke transcended his masters in RoTJ. Yoda and Obi Wan wanted Luke to simply kill the bad guys. Luke chose a more personal, Zen route. I’d prefer he’d been doing the grumpy hobo routine in TLJ as an act - similar to Yoda’s initial test in TESB. This could have been his way of forcing Rey to take her destiny into her own hands, a new and different path away from the usual formalised Jedi training routine. Once Rey had flown off to confront Kylo, Luke could have revealed his cunning duplicity to Yoda and they could’ve burned down the Jedi tree together. Then, after Luke’s great skype-battle with Kylo, Rey could’ve realised what he’d done and be like “you sly devil”.

This way he could’ve played the hobo but still been the Luke we all love and respect without being diminished.

If you didn’t notice, the scene with Yoda doesn’t alter the more Zen route he took in ROTJ. Yoda isn’t advising him on the force, he is advising him how to teach. Advising him as a fellow master. I think because Luke was so pivotal, Rian didn’t just have him fill the master/mentor role immediately. He brought back some of that negativity that characterized Luke in ANH and TESB. It created a nice character journey for Luke to take him where he needed to be to help Rey.

Yes, spot on. Luke had previously taught Rey to look at things from that ‘different point of view’ - to challenge pre-conceptions and ideals - subvert expectations, to take a wider view on matters (the bigger picture) - to not follow the previous Jedi rhetoric and beaten path. That, later followed by Luke helping Rey realise the galaxy needed her more - not him… and after the scene with Yoda… then ‘going out’ with a final act of self-sacrifice to help his friends.

Am looking forward to seeing how Luke may help Rey further in IX…

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#1227945
Topic
Has Star Wars finally &quot;jumped the shark&quot;?
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DrDre said:

TV’s Frink said:

I don’t remember anyone saying that girls couldn’t relate to Luke.

I do know my daughters identify much more strongly with Rey.

“I think there was an assumption being made for quite a while that girls didn’t care about Star Wars or that girls weren’t identifying with characters like Luke Skywalker or Han Solo; they were only identifying with Princess Leia or characters in other movies along those lines. And you know I think that it is not just Star Wars that is making this change, I think culturally, I want to believe that there is real movement and momentum beginning to happen where those kinds of lines are being blurred and people are recognizing in the creative community that um little girls, and little boys, for that matter are crossing over into identifying with lots of different characters and lots of different stories; And we as filmmakers should not be the ones providing those boundaries we should just tell the stories and they should be open a wide variety of not only gender but ethnicity. and that is another thing we are really working to do is to make the casting reflect society in a much more equal basis.”

  • Kathleen Kennedy, President of Lucasfilm, Star Wars Celebration 2016

As I interpret Kennedy’s words, she’s literally saying, that in the past filmmakers were providing boundaries by not casting women or people of different ethnicity in certain roles making it harder for women and people of different ethnicity to identify with these characters. She seems to thus imply that these past filmmakers (among them Lucas) were delibirately catering to boys, and white people, because they didn’t believe these stories would appeal to anybody else, and that only recently these lines are beginning to be blurred. Filmmakers should thus facilitate this movement by casting on an equal basis.

While it is true that men and women were not given equal opportunity in the film industry, I think it is faulty and inherently sexist to assume that a character’s gender is in any way important in the way men and women relate to these characters. As such, the fact that Rey and Jyn are female protagonists is important, because it reflects equality in casting, not because their gender makes these characters more relatable to women. If the inherent assumption is, that by casting women in gender neutral roles in Star Wars the franchise will become more appealing to women, then I would consider such a notion higly superficial and sexist.

For interest, info and a bit of balance…

Kathleen Kennedy’s quoted words appear in this article here:-

’A Princess in the Stars: A Female Perspective on Growing Up with The Expanded Universe’

http://www.theexpandeduniverse.com/single-post/2018/03/08/A-Princess-in-the-Stars-A-Female-Perspective-on-Growing-Up-with-The-Expanded-Universe

^ Quite an enjoyable article, that. Although the tile refers to the EU, it also lends itself to SW as a whole as well.

 

Though this is a ‘Has SW finally jumped the shark?’ thread, so further discussions on diversity and the political situation of Star Wars is likely better suited to the ‘Culture, politics, and diversity in Star Wars’ thread, or other more suited threads.

Huh, a bit of deja vu for a moment there.

Thank you.