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#187923
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/187923/action/topic#187923
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B writes --

"I was in the top office with Dick and Roy Naisbitt (his assistant, and a genius himself) one afternoon, and Dick came in and told us that Jim Henson had died. We were shocked at this, and we expected Dick to come out with some critical or distasteful comment as he did from time to time. But he surprised us both. He told us he had great respect for Jim and called him one of the most talented animators there was. We didn't understand this, and questioned what he had meant by this. He said, 'If you're watching The Muppet Show or Sesame Street on TV, turn the sound down. Henson was so good that you could tell what Kermit the Frog was saying even though you couldn't hear him'."
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#187871
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/187871/action/topic#187871
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Tony White writes:

Dick was a perfectionist. He had the uncanny ability to spot a spec of dust on one frame of film as it went through the 'dailies' projector at the studio. No-one else could see it but he would.
He would then rant and rave and insist on a re-shoot... even though it was quite likely that the scene took two days to shoot in the first place and no-one in the world would see what he saw. (He was invariably right about seeing it however!) His quest for perfection was both his greatest friend and his ultimate enemy of course... in the sense that he was repeatedly fired from major productions (beyond his own creation) for being behind time and over budget. But 'genius'?... yes, he was... and probably still is, wherever he is and whatever he is doing right now. I owe everything in my career to him and could never replace the fantastic two years I had as his personal assistant/apprentice and the subsequent five years I was a director/animator for him at the studio. (By the way, the sequence you are talking about in the documentary... where he criticised the assitant's inbetweens... that was Dick on his best behaviour for the cameras! I could tell you stories about how he could really tear into unfortunate employees for far, far less reason!)

Maybe one day someone will write the definitive book on Dick that will lay out the truth and the tragedy of his life. (s)
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#187755
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Project Im Working on - Bruce Lee's Game of Death - 35th Anniversary Edition (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/187755/action/topic#187755
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Get Final Cut Pro.

Imovie is not intended for real editing.

FCP is an easy enough program to learn and if I discuss cracked computer software again then Moth3r will post incriminating pictures of me on the forum.

Somewhere in the thread for Return of the Jedi, there's a post about how I did my own edits. The text is here:

http://orangecow.org/starwars/how%20i%20did%20it.rtf

It might give you some ideas. Good luck!



I just think it's really cool that someone is restoring a film that was never completed as intended. My favorite kind of restoration.

Hey Alex, are you working on anything at the moment?
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#187663
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/187663/action/topic#187663
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>> Does the music from the workprint appear at all (like during the March of the One-Eyes)?

What do you think? (No. Don't be silly.)


http://orangecow.org/thief/japaneseDVDmenu.jpg

Japanese DVD menu.

Here it is Photoshopped onto that tiny image of the cover.

http://orangecow.org/thief/japanesedvdcoverphotoshopped.jpg

Fun with Photoshop!

I had a small scan of the Thief from the Cannes Brochure painting, so I added him to the large scan of that painting, where he would have been.

large image --
http://orangecow.org/thief/cannesbrochurewthief.jpg

Lower quality than the rest, but you get the idea. I also threw the Old Witch in there. Not sure where she was exactly in the painting.
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#187639
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Bonzo Dog Band: Talking Pictures (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/187639/action/topic#187639
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http://orangecow.org/1ocp/1neildesigns/bonzosmousepadweb.jpg

http://orangecow.org/1ocp/1neildesigns/bonzoonblackweb.jpg

“We are normal and we want our freedom …”

This disc has been done for a while now, but I never put up a thread for it here - I’ve barely mentioned it at this site.

So I thought I’d mention it, in case anyone is interested.

I am also working on a longer, several disc set of this, so it’s still an active project.

You may know them from their appearance in the Beatles’ “Magical Mystery Tour,” as Vivian Stanshall performs “Death Cab For Cutie.” You may know Neil Innes from singing “Brave Sir Robin” in Monty Python and the Holy Grail, and “How Sweet to Be an Idiot” and a version of “I’m the Urban Spaceman” in Monty Python Live at the Hollywood Bowl. Or even for his masterful faux-Beatles music in the Rutles film.

The Bonzo Dog (Doo Dah) Band are legends of British comedy and music from the 60s. Good friends to both Monty Python and the Beatles … influenced by the latter and an influence on the former, their surreal brand of humor made 1920s jazz hip to a 60s audience.

This is the ultimate collection of Bonzo Dog Band performances - over two hours of clips, all rare.

Their hilarious and wildly entertaining musical madness will entertain hipsters of any age.

Here’s a tracklist.

Intro (Dog)/Death Cab for Cutie (MMT)
Hello (We Are Normal)
Canyons of Your Mind (CMP)
I’m the Urban Spaceman (CMP)
Monster Mash (DNAYS)
Equestrian Statue/Newsflash (BC)
Little Sir Echo (BC)
The Sound of Music (DNAYS)
4 Fables/Seaside Poem (IBOR)
Mr. Apollo (CMP)/Sinister (IBOR)
Love is a Cylindrical Piano (DNAYS)
Metaphorically Speaking (DNAYS)
By a Waterfall (DNAYS)
Merry Christmas (DNAYS)
I’m the Urban Spaceman (DNAYS)
Eleven Moustachioed Daughters (BiG GRunt)
Hunting Tigers Out in “Indiah”
Head Ballet (Pathe)
Equestrian Statue (Pathe)
The Bride Stripped Bare by “Bachelors” (montage)
Death Cab for Cutie (DNAYS)
Beautiful Zelda (DNAYS)
Adventures of the Son of Exploding Sausage (clip)
Room With a View (The Big Show)
Little Sir Echo (New Faces)
Tubas in the Moonlight (DNAYS)
Canyons of Your Mind (BC)
I’m the Urban Spaceman (BC)
Jollity Farm (cartoon)
DNAYS sketches
Ready-Mades (montage)
I’m Forever Blowing Bubbles (Full House)
Humanoid Boogie (IBOR reedit)
We Were Wrong (“Urban Spaceman” minstrel promo montage)
Hello Mabel (DNAYS)
Vivian Stanshall Adverts - Ruddles, Cadbury’s (3), Tennent
Look Out, There’s a Monster Coming (DNAYS)
I’m the Urban Spaceman (IBOR)
The Intro and the Outro (DNAYS)
Equestrian Statue (DNAYS)
Rawlinson End
Wheelbarrow
Nice and Tidy
Quiet Talks and Summer Walks (IBOR reedit)
Rawlinson End clip: “Riddles”
Imagination
I’m the Urban Spaceman (RWT)
Suspicion
The Cracks Are Showing
The End (New Faces)
I’d Rather Cut My Hands (Crank)
Fishing (OMW)

Bonus features:
Full House with Roger Ruskin-Spear
Friday Night, Saturday Morning with Vivian Stanshall
Eric Idle sings Captain Fantastic
Karaoke feature

Running time is 1:22 without the DNAYS DVD material or the Jollity Farm cartoon or the extras. Which puts the running time well over 2 hours.

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#187605
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/187605/action/topic#187605
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>> does the Princess version keep any of the sound from the Williams version or is it identical to Miramax's soundtrack?


It's similar to the Miramax version, because the Miramax version was made from it, but the Thief and Phido don't talk and the witch and war machine scenes are included, so you will hear more of the original sound I suppose. Donald Pleasance's voice as Phido and Joan Sims as the witch for example, and a lot of sound effects. I went to the "Princess" soundtrack fairly often in my edit. In all versions Tony Quayle can be heard as King Nod makes his speech to the peasants. And I think, although it's highly unlikely, that Hilary Pritchard can be heard as Yumyum screams "Tack" - I am almost certainly wrong on this but I like to believe it anyway.



Checking the IMDB page - lol, every time I load this page I see my own review of the film from years ago. "Tygerbug," from Monroe CT.
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#187589
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/187589/action/topic#187589
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The great majority of this edit is completed animation in full quality widescreen DVD format. 70-80% sounds right.


You can see for yourself if you like - I can send you the rough version. Email me. Tygerbug at yahoo.com.



I had the pleasure of emailing today with Mr. Tony White, a master animator who wrote The Animator's Workbook. My parents gave me this book at a very young age - it may have been the first book on animation I ever had, even before I had the Preston Blair books (later combined into one book). The book is filled with beautiful illustrations, many of them from gobstoppingly gorgeous commercials White worked on at Richard Williams studio. White, of course, worked on The Thief and the Cobbler briefly, and trained with Art Babbit and Ken Harris, animating projects like the titles to The Pink Panther Strikes Back before starting his own studio. I recommend his book - interestingly it makes a very good companion to Richard Williams' own later masterpiece of a book, The Animator's Survival Kit. There are many similarities between the two.

Anyway, I took a chance and emailed him - I geeked out completely because of growing up on his book - and he was very nice - he now teaches animation up in Washington and tries to teach his studios about the "golden age" of experimental, realistic, beautiful animation that was going on in London back in the 70s and 80s, as a result of the Williams studio, and studios including White's own. He definitely wanted copies of anything I've been able to dig up on video.

I've sent him a copy of my rough cut of the film, and other things. It's an honor.
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#187507
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/187507/action/topic#187507
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Eric Goldberg: Gosh, where do I start? Where do I stop? Richard Williams was really my mentor, you know, in my formative years.  

SC: And everyone’s because he wrote that wonderful book, THE ANIMATOR’S SURVIVAL KIT.

EG: Yeah, but this is way before. I first hooked up with him on Raggedy Ann and Andy in 1975. And I was an assistant animator on that film and started to learn some things. I’d always admired his movie title work and some of his short films like Love Me, Love Me, Love Me and it was clear that this was a guy who liked going back to the past in order to recapture a lot of the qualities of the classic animation. And to that end he would employ classic animators to work on Cobbler and the Thief amongst other projects so I got to work with Art Babbitt. I got to work with Ken Harris. I got to work with Emery Hawkins. And that was great. And of course Dick was terrific at articulating work. You know, he'd be able to break a wrist ninety-eight ways before it finally resolved into this pose! And so his work always looked tremendously fluid and he was always encouraging of people who were trying to achieve that look and feel of the classic stuff.

Ken Harris... I kind of learned, second generation, how to animate from Ken Harris because he was at Richard William's studio at the same time I was. Used to take him to lunch every Tuesday and he used to go, "Oh, I can't draw! I don't know what I'm doing! Dick does it all for me!" And he could turn out thirty feet a week when he was eighty! And it was all good! [laughing] So I would ask him, and he would give me that answer, so I went and asked Dick, "How does he do it?" And Dick could analyze it for me. Dick told me about how he uses the two poses and a skew break down drawing to give him automatic overlap so when you put in the in-betweens you get overlaps “for free.” So it's a masterly use of in-between charts with as little drawing as possible. Sure he'd go back and add bells and whistles where necessary but for the most part that's how he did it. You know, and he did it his whole life!  



Tony White:
Dick Williams was the Canadian 'genius' who was solely responsible for the total transformation of British animation that has taken place since the early 70's. The Richard Williams' studio in Soho Square, London was 'the' premier studio in the world at the time and won more awards and accolades than all it's contemporary rivals put together. Although the studio never produced feature films during it's existence, there was no creative centre on earth to touch it for innovative work. (All inspired by the supreme skill of the animator who gave the studio it's name.) Richard Williams was not an easy man to work with but he was undoubtedly a genius. I studied under him for two years as an assistant and then for five years after that as a director/animator in my own right at the studio. Dick was obsessed with producing 'the feature film to outshine all feature films' (to 'out-Disney Disney!).....although circumstances and fate decreed that this was never to be with his own pet project, 'The Cobbler and the Thief' that he spend 26 years working on!. Nevertheless, awards and accolades abounded. He directed the Academy Award-winning TV Special 'A Christmas Carol' and also received an Academy Award for his direction of the animation in 'Who Framed Roger Rabbit'. I personally learnt more from Dick than any other animator alive and know of no-one who can match him for artist skill or creative fire. The Richard Williams studio of the 70's and 80's (known to some as 'The Monastery' as a result of it's single-minded commitment to artistic excellence) was the only place where the true potential and artistry of innovative, drawn animation was attempted. Disney was in severe decline at that time. (Well, until 'Toy Story' that is....thanks to Pixar!)
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#187213
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/187213/action/topic#187213
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Many many thanks to Jonathan "Squidy" Sloman, who has sent in a good copy of the 1989 Channel 4/Thames documentary "I Drew Roger Rabbit." My previous copy of this was crap, so it's very nice to see a releasable version ... the quality is good rather than great - it has "ghosting" on the image and is soft like an old PAL VHS, but it's certainly good enough to put out there. =) This is a great look into the making of The Thief (and of course Roger Rabbit), a fine companion to the 1980 Thames documentary "Richard Williams and the Thief Who Never Gave Up." (Interestingly, it uses the exact same clips from the film as that older documentary.) Sir Anthony Quayle is interviewed. The third documentary we have is "Animating Art," about Art Babbit - I have a bad SLP copy of this that Eddie Bowers gave me years ago - I'm hoping that he's going to send me his original copy of this, and quick. All three documentaries share some of the same footage.

A certain forum member here is also sending me some rare pencil test footage from the film - I don't know what it is, and I'm excited to see it.
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#187173
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Help: looking for 'Heroes & Villians' in NTSC??
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/187173/action/topic#187173
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I've been in this town so long that back in the city
I've been taken for lost and gone
And unknown for a long long time

Fell in love years ago
With an innocent girl
From the Spanish and Indian home
Home of the heroes and villains

Once at night Catillian squared the fight
And she was right in the rain of the bullets that eventually brought her down
But she's still dancing in the night
Unafraid of what a dude'll do in a town full of heroes and villains

Heroes and villains
Just see what you've done

Heroes and villains
Just see what you've done

Stand or fall I know there
Shall be peace in the valley
And it's all an affair
Of my life with the heroes and villains

My children were raised
You know they suddenly rise
They started slow long ago
Head to toe healthy weathy and wise

I've been in this town so long
So long to the city
I'm fit with the stuff
To ride in the rough
And sunny down snuff I'm alright
By the heroes and

Heroes and villains
Just see what you've done

Heroes and villains
Just see what you've done
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#186896
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Classic Edition: Return of the Jedi by Ocpmovie (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/186896/action/topic#186896
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I'm taking a break from Star Wars, unless I do this one thing. My sweat seems to be more needed elsewhere - there's plenty talented people here to carry on the SW love.


A bastardized and shortened version of Deleted Magic (with Spanish subtitles providing extra commentary!) has hit the various "hey look at this wacky video clip" sites on the net. (Milkandcookies, devilduckie) ... Annoying actually, since it's not quite the real thing. It starts with the "Son of the Suns" title, omitting all introduction and credits. I can't get this to play right, but this was the original source.

http://www.grinvi.com/video.php?id=1705

And now it's at a million sites ... a thousand blogs and livejournals and sites with names like ilikeyourbutt.com. Welcome to the internet ...


A mention at Kevin Smith's Movie Poop Shoot ...

http://www.moviepoopshoot.com/mailshoot/169.html

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#186883
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/186883/action/topic#186883
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http://images.auctionworks.com/hi/34/34008/arabian_knight.jpg


http://i24.ebayimg.com/01/i/05/74/76/d3_1.JPG


Items from this film seem to show up on ebay for cheap.

I have the soundtrack, bought it something like 7 years ago, it turns up in the Wherehouse a lot and was invaluable while putting together this edit, since I used Robert Folk's score in many places (often to remove voice work from the Princess and the Cobbler edit).

I think I'll buy that shirt and button. =)



Best letter of the week:

"I can't even explain how I feel about this. This is the most amazing thing I've ever seen, and I never thought it would ever happen. Thank you..."

=D