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Post: #191201
Topic: Pulp Fiction chronological EDit - cover help request
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/191201/action/topic#191201
Time: 8-Mar-2006 6:30 PM

I remember the "Fooling Films" from a long time ago. Points for them.

I can sympathize with Miramax/Disney not admitting if someone rips off a film. Y'see, there was this movie called Aladdin ...

Post: #191073
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/191073/action/topic#191073
Time: 8-Mar-2006 4:43 AM

I'm still not sure what you mean exactly, but never mind.

Well, the claw animation, and the animation of the rocks, in that one shot, I did because they were simple, linear bits of motion, easy to replicate. I thought that in this case, it was worth it to make the shot look like it came from a better source.

Every scene cuts back and forth between DVD quality and workprint quality, it's quite an interesting watch. In the second half of the film some scenes were only available in pan & scan, so pan & scan DVD images were placed over the widescreen but poor quality workprint.

Some scenes have been reinstated that don't appear in the workprint ... notably a short jousting fight between Tack and Zigzag (pencil test), a small conversation between Zigzag and One Eye, an extra bit of dialogue for the witch, a few Fred Calvert inventions ... the Calvert fight between Zigzag and Tack is still in there as I speak, but may not last.

THE COLLECTION

I've just completed two more Richard Williams related DVDs. Which makes three that I've done today ... and I did another one yesterday.

The two new ones are:

+ Ziggy's Gift/Ziggy Cartoons/Fred Calvert's Princess and the Cobbler: Work In Progress Version
+ The Thief and the Cobbler workprint

I was going to leave Ziggy's Gift on its own disc, because it was a retail disc with proper menus, but it's less than 2 gigs large! Ridiculously tiny, so I put it on with the Calvert WIP.

This brings the total number of discs in the set down to 9, rather than 10. Which is nice.

The Workprint is a remix of the one Stanch sent me. It retains the very good picture quality, but I've added sound to a long section of the film where there was none in his copy. There are a few picture faults mostly during the witch scene, so I've placed the appropriate parts of my other copies of the workprint on the "Animating Art" disc, so that someone who needs those shots can get them.

The sound remains in PCM format, as it was on the original - I haven't downconverted to AC3. "Blooper Bunny" has been omitted.

I think that Ziggy's Gift is still in print as a DVD, but I believe that everything else on my list was never commercially available or is long since out of print. Even the Arabian Knight japanese (widescreen) DVD is apparently out of print, and I'm sure The Princess and the Cobbler isn't getting any less rare.

Post: #191064
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/191064/action/topic#191064
Time: 8-Mar-2006 3:26 AM

Direct link to the file, which worked for me.

Animating Art:
http://upload3.putfile.com/videos/6523474274.avi

It looks good, Patrick! Definitely helps to see the animated segments in full quality.

The Art film itself looks kind of green, perhaps you can color correct that a bit.

1. Is this the closest possible version of the Thief and the cobbler to the workprint? or is this the way you want it?

It is extremely close to the workprint, but is presented in a much more finished state. I've made my own creative decisions in terms of editing, adding music and reworking scenes, to make the film seem more "finished."

2. Where are you getting your knowledge of the scenes that were never finished

It's all fairly obvious when you've studied the film in as much detail as I have. (It helps that I did this six years ago.) But by combining the workprint (and other unfinished cuts of the film) with the released versions a picture definitely arises of how scenes should play out.

My edit even includes scenes animated by Williams that weren't in the workprint.

3. Do you plan for your version to do justice and pay tribute to what Richard tried to do?

What a silly question. Of course.

4. Are there any scenes you are starting from scratch?

I'm not sure what you mean. No, no new animation is being created for this edit. That would be crazy.

Post: #191043
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/191043/action/topic#191043
Time: 8-Mar-2006 1:09 AM

No there isn't.

Thankfully the movie's junk.

>> Could you send me the clip of Phido grudgingly stepping onto Zig-Zag's cane from the better workprint or should I just wait for the materials you're sending?

I believe that clip has a different design for Phido than what wound up in the workprint. Use the Animating Art version.

The Animating Art version is clearer anyway.

I can't get your video to play (doesn't recognize the format), but it's okay.

Post: #190796
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/190796/action/topic#190796
Time: 7-Mar-2006 7:08 PM

Which one's the remaster? I can't tell the difference.

Okay, well, since I'm sending out the bonus discs to all the people who are helping with the project, I've had to compile these discs together, so that each disc is full of stuff ...

So here's a head's up on what's on these discs right now ... which will change since Patrick is remastering Animating Art and who knows what else will come up ... I've just now done the fourth and fifth discs on this list.

+ The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Cut (final version coming soon!)
+ The Thief Who Never Gave Up Documentary/Charge of the Light Brigade/Return of the Pink Panther
+ Raggedy Ann & Andy/A Christmas Carol (sync problems on Carol)
+ Richard Williams commercials/Animating Art/I Drew Roger Rabbit
+ Rare Thief and the Cobbler pencil-camera tests/The Pink Panther Strikes Back titles/I Drew Roger Rabbit (better version)/A Christmas Carol (better version)
+ Arabian Knight Japanese widescreen DVD
+ The Princess and the Cobbler Australian Pan & Scan DVD (PAL)
+ Ziggy's Gift
+ The Thief and the Cobbler workprint
+ Fred Calvert's Princess and the Cobbler: Work In Progress Version

That's ten discs, all of which are good and recommended - no waste on any of them. Also, I'm keeping the raw stuff like this, for those who need/want it:

+ I Drew Roger Rabbit PAL
+ The Thief Who Never Gave Up documentary PAL

Post: #190719
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/190719/action/topic#190719
Time: 7-Mar-2006 4:08 PM

Stephen Worth writes:

I didn't work on Thief and the Cobbler. I was just working in the same studio as Art Babbitt. He wasn't too happy with the work. Williams had him reworking scenes of vultures that had been animated by Ken Harris.
Babbitt didn't see any reason to be changing Harris's work.

Post: #190717
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/190717/action/topic#190717
Time: 7-Mar-2006 4:00 PM

Nice work Patrick!

I'll be mailing you some material. And maybe I'll upload part 2 of animating art after all ...

And Stanch IS considering writing Calvert. Strange world ...

Post: #190545
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/190545/action/topic#190545
Time: 7-Mar-2006 7:00 AM

Not sarcasm. You see, the copy of the workprint Stanch sent me, which is of much better quality than any copy I've seen, was sent to me on DVD, and sadly it was a pretty poor DVD transfer, full of bad compression.

This is the version I've been working from. The compression was annoying me, so I asked Stanch if he had the original VHS of this copy of the workprint, and he said he did, and not only that, but he had gotten his copy from Frank Gabriel, and he could ask Frank if he could borrow Frank's OWN vhs ... literally a copy of Calvert's own copy.

Which would bring the quality of the workprint up two more generations, plus whatever I can impose on the image with TBC.

Which would mean redoing it AGAIN.

The things I do for you people. =)

Stanch also has a lead on a widescreen version of Calvert's cut, which has been my Holy Grail of things I don't have. At this rate I'll be redoing this movie over and over for 20 years .... and then I'll draw Roger Rabbit or something.

Post: #190532
Topic: Classic Edition: Return of the Jedi by Ocpmovie (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/190532/action/topic#190532
Time: 7-Mar-2006 6:17 AM

Uh, you could have asked ME.

Post: #190525
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/190525/action/topic#190525
Time: 7-Mar-2006 5:39 AM

http://orangecow.org/thief/yumyumvsphido.jpg

http://orangecow.org/thief/yumyumvsphido2.jpg

"Get away, bird of evil!"

Post: #190517
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/190517/action/topic#190517
Time: 7-Mar-2006 4:56 AM

Hey Faceman! Good restoration work there, the results speak for themselves.

I'm in an advanced stage of work on this film - the first cut is long since done and I'm redoing the whole thing now working from a better tape ...

An even better tape will probably be coming at some point, which makes me wonder if I'm wasting my time!

It might be too late to actually restore the DVD-sourced portions of the film - I expect to be done VERY SOON - but I'd be curious what you could do. Email me at tygerbug at yahoo.com, and I'll send you a care package.

Post: #190515
Topic: Star Wars DVD Covers
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/190515/action/topic#190515
Time: 7-Mar-2006 4:21 AM

On that Manga Jedi cover, the beak-painting-outing is great, but the "Star Wars," "Return of the Jedi" and other DVD logos are pasted on there really amateurishly. Jagged bits of black show up all around the white material .... something awry in Photoshop - need to change the contrast on that layer, or do the select/pasting over again ...

Please do this though, as it's a damn nice cover otherwise.

Post: #190506
Topic: My Re-Edits of The Pink Panther: 'The Pink Panther Strikes Again - Extended' (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/190506/action/topic#190506
Time: 7-Mar-2006 1:45 AM

With the loss of Clouseau, it seems more like this is gonna be a "Requiem for the Pink Panther ..." Or remembrance of ...

Post: #190356
Topic: My Re-Edits of The Pink Panther: 'The Pink Panther Strikes Again - Extended' (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/190356/action/topic#190356
Time: 6-Mar-2006 10:03 PM

So much animation has been done of the Pink Panther - he's starred in a million different animated shorts of his own, which are out on DVD, and can be Netflixed I'm sure.

Source your Panther footage from those. You might be able to chromakey out the Panther from certain shots if he's on a flat color background or something, and put him on your own background. For Return of the Pink Panther, Richard Williams and Ken Harris often put him on black, so that's easy enough to reconfigure - you can steal your Clouseau from those films.

Come up with something original from all the Panther animation that's out there. Use Return and Strikes Again as your basis.

Give your new film a new title. I don't like "Facets of the Pink Panther" though. Not catchy.

So you two do animation? Nice. So do I. You'll certainly need to draw/animate SOMETHING for your new titles, probably the titles themselves and their lighting FX.

Williams' animation for Return of the Pink Panther is a masterclass in lighting effects, as usual ...

Post: #190182
Topic: My Re-Edits of The Pink Panther: 'The Pink Panther Strikes Again - Extended' (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/190182/action/topic#190182
Time: 6-Mar-2006 6:00 PM

A clever idea! Go for it ...

Incidentally the titles for The Pink Panther Strikes Again, from Richard Williams Studio, were largely animated by Tony White, who I've been talking to for my Thief and the Cobbler/Richard Williams project.

Tony's words on the titles ...

http://tonywhite.net/gallery13.htm

More:
http://tonywhite.net/pink.htm

Post: #190029
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/190029/action/topic#190029
Time: 6-Mar-2006 8:39 AM

Some years back, as a fun little project for Eddie Bowers' website - through which I discovered the movie The Thief and the Cobbler - I decided to create a Cafepress line of items dedicated to the film. Cafepress was a hobby of mine at the time.

http://cafepress.com/cobbler

You upload your designs, and Cafepress charges whatever to print them on shirts, mugs, mousepads, dozens of different items.

So, when I made a store for The Thief and the Cobbler, I made it a non-profit site ... I don't get any money from sales here, it all goes to the printer, Cafepress handles everything. I thought it would be nice for fans, since the movie never exactly inspired T-shirts and things legitimately. (Actually, I do have an official Arabian Knight t-shirt and button, but I have those more for laughs than anything.)

Every once in a while I see that someone's bought something there.

Anyway, in honor of this new cut, I thought I'd spruce up that site ... add lots more stuff you can purchase there. There are now dozens and dozens of items dedicated to the Thief. Enjoy!

Meanwhile, I've Photoshopped up a new version of my cover art. Enjoy!

http://orangecow.org/thief/thiefposterversion2web.jpg

http://orangecow.org/thief/cobbleramarayv2web.jpg

Large size versions:

http://orangecow.org/thief/thiefamarayversion2.jpg

http://orangecow.org/thief/thiefposterversion2big.jpg

Post: #190010
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/190010/action/topic#190010
Time: 6-Mar-2006 4:13 AM

Notice in that shot, King Nod still has an earlier design to him, and the drawing of Zigzag is also a little more tentative than the confident lines you'd see later. It's an early shot used in all the documentaries, and it's a nice one.

I've decided not to color correct any shots in my edit, and leave the Miramax transfer looking as it does.

Originally, when I ripped the video, I had MPEG Streamclip darken and lower the saturation on every shot automatically. This made the film look more like you'd expect it to.

But it also screwed up the color. The encoder couldn't handle really saturated reds and things, and it rendered them as blocky-looking. To get the full quality out of the video, I couldn't change a thing.

Which also meant I couldn't fix the interlacing so that it would deinterlace properly. MPEG Streamclip can't seem to handle interlacing without horribly screwing it up when it rips the video.

So, getting this film into 24p looking good was a pretty painstaking process.

I ripped the video both ways. One, with the interlacing fixed, but blocky reds. One, with nothing changed.

I inverse telecined both versions. The result was a good looking transfer that screwed up horribly on the interlacing every fourth frame, and a clean transfer with the occasional blocky reds, in scenes that are very red all over.

I combined the two through editing. I took out every fourth frame of the one with interlacing problems and replaced it with the clean transfer. So you get a shot which looks good, and sometimes has mildly blocky reds every fourth frame, which you don't really notice.

I only did this for a few shots originally, as it was a time consuming process and I was doing it by hand. I eventually figured out a way to kind of automate the process, and did the entire second half of my edit this way. When I go back to finish part 1, I'll be doing it for part 1 as well.

Post: #189999
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/189999/action/topic#189999
Time: 6-Mar-2006 3:00 AM

>>Thanks for the "Death and Destruction" clip! What happened to the color/contrast, though?

The Arabian Knight DVD with its blown out contrast ruined certain shots, this being one of them. Some of the early Zigzag animation seems to have had lighter colors used anyway ...

This clip didn't upload all the way. Screw this ... I have to mail all this material to you. The complete audio is in there anyway.

And yes, the doc has an abrupt start.

Post: #189856
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/189856/action/topic#189856
Time: 5-Mar-2006 10:37 PM

>> maybe hire a better voice actor to re-dub the lost parts

Someone somewhere suggested Trace Beaulieu. =)

Post: #189833
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/189833/action/topic#189833
Time: 5-Mar-2006 10:26 PM

No prob with that Alex - been sending the full load to plenty of other people already! It'll probably be 8 discs or something.

>. You know, if I gave you the username and password for my website's FTP, do you think you could upload Animating Art (your print) to my server?

Yes I could. As an M2V/AC3.

>> Too bad they couldn't keep it uncensored, nor keep Deems Taylor's voice (hmm, fan edit time)!

I know, jesus christ. Fantasia needs a Classic Edition. Cos it's a classic, y'know.

Post: #189783
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/189783/action/topic#189783
Time: 5-Mar-2006 9:55 PM

As I watch the Oscars, here's a hidden gag from the war machine sequence - The Thief's flies.

http://orangecow.org/thief/thiefflies.jpg

Looking closely, they all have little robes.

Post: #189739
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/189739/action/topic#189739
Time: 5-Mar-2006 7:53 PM

Compositing work -

http://orangecow.org/thief/composite1.jpg

Complicated shot I decided to do for this version, since this was always one of my favorite bits from the workprint. (Music kicks in here suggesting that the Thief is a pawn of destiny.) Nine layers are involved.

The background is from the Miramax DVD, so it's nice and clean. It's been keyframed to match the changing brightness of the workprint.

The Thief is painted out of the frame, then the workprint Thief is composited over this with lumakey.

(The Thief "dissolves" in as he falls, making it seamless.)

The claw hand is added in, and animated to match the workprint. (Upper right of screen.)

Two falling rocks are added in, also animated to match the workprint. (Lower right of screen.)

Also using lumakey, the darker areas of the left side of the screen are pasted in from the workprint, so some of the little extra action (arrows, rocks) taking place in the background is still sort of there, though not super visible.

Black bars are added in at top and bottom.

http://orangecow.org/thief/composite2.jpg

The witch - the background has been cobbled together from various screen grabs. It's keyframed to match the changing brightness of the shot. The witch is taken from the pan & scan DVD. The widescreen parts (her hands, and the little spotlight at the bottom) are taken from the workprint and added over the dark background with lumakey.

http://orangecow.org/thief/composite3.jpg

As she walks, the background is keyframed to get brighter and move with her, and gradually this becomes a regular shot with the pan & scan DVD image pasted over the workprint, that you see here. Black bars added on the left.

Post: #189693
Topic: Classic Edition: Return of the Jedi by Ocpmovie (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/189693/action/topic#189693
Time: 5-Mar-2006 4:15 PM

I don't do hub-printable.

Post: #189612
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/189612/action/topic#189612
Time: 5-Mar-2006 4:31 AM

Some pencil tests from the film.

http://orangecow.org/thief/penciltest2.jpg

http://orangecow.org/thief/penciltest4.jpg

http://orangecow.org/thief/penciltest3.jpg

http://orangecow.org/thief/penciltest1.jpg

http://orangecow.org/thief/penciltest5.jpg

http://orangecow.org/thief/penciltest6.jpg

http://orangecow.org/thief/penciltest7.jpg

http://orangecow.org/thief/penciltest8.jpg

http://orangecow.org/thief/penciltest9.jpg

http://orangecow.org/thief/penciltest10.jpg

http://orangecow.org/thief/penciltest11.jpg

http://orangecow.org/thief/penciltest12.jpg

http://orangecow.org/thief/penciltest13.jpg

Post: #189586
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/189586/action/topic#189586
Time: 5-Mar-2006 3:36 AM

>> you can tell you layered one image over another, as they don't quite register, and while it's nice, it's a little disconcerting. Are the layers of animation registering to one another more easily?

The effect varies from shot to shot. It's never going to be perfect obviously because I'm combining a sharp looking DVD image with horrible ratty old VHS bootlegs.

Some shots look pretty good, others have issues. The march of the One Eyes looks pretty good because it's mostly monochrome stuff, so there are no colors to match, which makes it a lot easier. There are shots in there which I'd call perfect.

The workprint is not in true 24p, I had to just smudge the frames together to get 24p, so sometimes when there's really fast motion around the edges of the frame you can see the wrong frames poking through, and blah blah blah headache.

In all cases, you can tell I've done something to reconstruct the widescreen image. I'd say it comes off pretty well overall though.

It's definitely worth it to reconstruct the widescreen. These shots shouldn't be seen in pan & scan, and it makes the clear part of the image look even clearer.

I've done some work on some of the crappy Calvert shots in the war machine sequence, to make them look better.

There are some Williams-pencilled shots of the war machine on fire, which were animated on twos or threes - it looks awful since it should be on ones. I've put a double or triple layered ghosting effect over the animation - voila, it's now on ones, and looks great.

I did the same thing to two Calvert shots which attempted poorly to duplicate Williams' moving camera - so this is smudging inbetween frames of actual character animation, which looks awful, but it's more fun to watch than the actual Calvert shots, so screw it.

There's a bad shot of poorly-drawn lightning around the war machine. I should have redrawn that myself frame by frame, but I settled for color correcting every other frame to be very dark, so that the lightning looks slightly more realistic (and harder to see). I replaced one flash with a more realistic flash from elsewhere in the shot.

I also digitally created lighting effects to fake one important shot of Tack with the balls.