obikal

NeverarGreat said:

Yoda's philosophy seems to be rather indifferent to the suffering of others, or rather views their suffering as a necessary sacrifice, and to help them would cause more problems than it solves. He basically says this to Luke, and it's an understandably difficult pill to swallow. The Masters aren't traditional superheroes, and they certainly don't vow to uphold Truth, Justice, and the American Way. In the OT, Masters were not simply the most powerful Knights, but a different Force user entirely. They were Force gurus, able to train the Knights who were more traditional keepers of peace and justice.

Hmm, I agree that Yoda sees suffering as a 'potentially' necessary sacrifice, for sure.  But what reasoning would there be for allowing Sidious to become an Emperor?  

If Yoda just takes a non-violent stand against Sidious, that would be totally acceptable and quite cool to see.  I guess it's just a fine line between passivity and hypocrisy.

brash_stryker said:

obikal said:

The fight between Yoda and Palp RUINED Yoda in my eyes.

Luke: "Is the dark side stronger?"

Yoda: emphatically "No!"

Oh really Yoda?  In 900 years I guess your memory is fading...  I take it you don't remember that fight where you lost to a much younger Sith Lord pretty handedly?  And then fled like a dog that just pooped on the floor?

The fight needs to be similar to the Dooku fight in Ep 2: Yoda needs to be able to take on Sidious with no problem.  The true fight shouldn't be between their "power levels" with the force - Yoda should dominate if so - it should be that Sidious fights dirty, endangering innocent lives or other would-be victims that Yoda needs to exert extra "Force power" to save.

Even better, innocent people die as Yoda is unable to save them all - but witnesses only see Yoda as Sidious flees the scene.  Yoda then has to go into hiding due to the public's uproar against the Jedi and his own shame in not being able to save everyone...

Yoda shouldn't fight at all. I've gone so far as to say that he shouldn't be in the Prequels at all. Just mentioned as this great Jedi who trained a bunch of the wisest masters in the order. You could even have a mythology built around him, where young Jedi in training have conversations about him and share rumours. "I heard he's 8 feet tall and wields 2 lightsabers!" And of course when we then finally meet Yoda in ESB, we realise he's powerful in a whole different way - beyond the physical.

Hmm, interesting idea, I like it.  

I would prefer him not being in the prequels at all vs being in the story and not take action against Sidious.  I guess if he's not in the story at all - he's still not taking action against Sidious...  seems too passive thinking about it.  

Again when training Luke: 'a Jedi uses the force for defense' - should we see Yoda do this?  To protect the innocent?

The fight between Yoda and Palp RUINED Yoda in my eyes.

Luke: "Is the dark side stronger?"

Yoda: emphatically "No!"

Oh really Yoda?  In 900 years I guess your memory is fading...  I take it you don't remember that fight where you lost to a much younger Sith Lord pretty handedly?  And then fled like a dog that just pooped on the floor?

The fight needs to be similar to the Dooku fight in Ep 2: Yoda needs to be able to take on Sidious with no problem.  The true fight shouldn't be between their "power levels" with the force - Yoda should dominate if so - it should be that Sidious fights dirty, endangering innocent lives or other would-be victims that Yoda needs to exert extra "Force power" to save.

Even better, innocent people die as Yoda is unable to save them all - but witnesses only see Yoda as Sidious flees the scene.  Yoda then has to go into hiding due to the public's uproar against the Jedi and his own shame in not being able to save everyone...

Bingowings said:

Another positive about the delay is that Ady will probably have seen Episode 7 by the time he comes to finish ROTJ:R so while it might not be a major priority for him it would let him know if his edit ideas will create major inconsistencies between his OT edits and the ST.

 I believe it was in this thread that Adywan said 7+ won't affect these releases plot-wise - but I could be mis-remembering.

Congrats on the job!  That's something I'm currently debating - if I should take paid work in my hobby-realm or continue to only work on projects in my free time while I get paid for work outside of my hobby...  Both have their pros and cons - tough decision...

Would love to hear your thoughts in a couple months.

Either way, congrats again, and finish ESB:R whenever you're good and ready!

I gotcha - but I think it's pretty honest for Han to not be sure because they've had no time to just be.  If there was a year in ROTJ before the battle on Endor where they are frolicking around the fields together, then yeah, he should be fine.  But after the late night talk he clearly doesn't understand in the Ewok village, followed up by the day-dreamy look she has when thinking about Luke after the battle... he's understandably confused.  And hey, women ARE confusing beings after all...  ;)

His jealousy stems from his low self-esteem plus what he sees as evidence of her love for Luke.  His character growth/maturity is then shown when he thinks he finds out the truth and decides to take the high road instead of what Ep IV Han would have done: "Yeah?  Well, I didn't love you either!"

Either way, his mid-kiss facial reaction as it dawns on him is fantastic and I'd hate to get rid of that too  :)

Han should be jealous in ROTJ - it's actually a part of his character arc.  He goes from acting like a tough mother I-don't-care attitude to actually wanting to settle down with a lady and talk about his feelings...

Most guys that act tough do so out of low self-esteem in the first place - he's only showing that he's able to deal with his feelings and take the high road "I won't stand in the way" instead of the typical tough-guy "Meh, I didn't care about you anyway..."

By being jealous, it shows he's matured...  As odd as that sounds...

This is a labor of love, and Adywan's baby.  He can do whatever the heck he wants to do with it.  I mean, he could stop working on it now, call it quits.  He doesn't owe any of us anything.  We started with the fans thinking they own Star Wars and George Lucas doesn't - but now we're getting to where fans feel they have a right to what Adywan is working on as well?  I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

I think the better question to ask is: does Adywan want even more help and take on the role of Project Director or something?  IF ADYWAN WANTS TO, he could farm out sections that need animation, graphics, or sound work to those that have proven themselves trustworthy and capable in the community.  Then when he gets the shots/scenes back, he would comb them over and piece everything together.  It has the potential to get done faster...

However, that sounds like an implosion waiting to happen...  Too  many cooks spoil the broth Degobah stew special delight...

.Mac. said:

brentspender said:

its good to see the difference on clips but not every time I think 

Yep, the actual movie will occupy the entire screen. Hopefully as a special feature, though, we'll be treated to a "split screen" option so the enthusiasts like myself can notice and appreciate even more everything that's been done - that and show off to friends/family "See! That is the official Blu-Ray version and there is the Revisited version.. I know! Now you understand why I kept harping about Revisited." ;)

 On ANH:R there was an option to have text on screen that pointed out most of the changes - it was a great feature!  The split screen is nice for shorter clips, but I would prefer the full screen with text for the full length film if Ady is going to do that again.

Remember that this galaxy is far, far away - things evidently react differently!

Yeah, he's been working on this for 6 years and is going to be ok with creating new image degradation...

;)

kk650 said:

I'll leave it at that, I've expressed my opinion I don't want to derail this thread any further, this is Adywan's project so of course he has the final say.

kk650 said:

I'll leave you to make your grandiose statements of fact and rule your own little fiefdom in peace. I've got my own releases to get back to.

kk650 said:

there's no point continuing this. Do what you want to do and good luck.

kk650 said:

We'll leave it at that and I wish him all the luck in the world with this release, when it finally does see the light of day.

kk650 said:

Let's agree to disagree and move on. I don't want to stink up this thread any further than it has been.

kk650 said:

There's nothing left to say.

kk650 said:

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

 

Abraham Lincoln

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Blizzard, the video game company, is infamous for taking very long development periods for their games and not announcing release dates until they are 99% certain - and even then they push them back sometimes if their standard hasn't been met...  Their game quality is some of the highest in the industry - and people forgive the long development times when they get their hands on the final product...  (granted, some of the quality seems to have been slipping lately, but that's even more off-topic...)

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Ady, you know this - but I, and I'm sure plenty of others here, will continue to patiently wait for you to finish this labor of love that you have dedicated years of your life to... that we can then reap the reward with no work ourselves...  We are not entitled or owed this blessing you are giving us, but take it with humility and all the warmest regards and thankfulness for your efforts and sacrifice...

Take all the time you need to make it to the standard you're happy with!  I can't wait to see ESB:R as well as the other 4 films planned - but I know that whenever each one is released, it will be worth the wait...

Ady, to you and your team, including all the donators of time and money, THANK YOU!

Another Emperor impersonator...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsM-vHLlM_k

Extremely talented impressionist!

Can't wait, Ady and team!  Keep up the great work!

Ronster said:

"One really cool video shows the original version of the title card. Originally the STAR WARS logo (in a different design) didn't recede straight backward. Instead it started out in normal orientation, then folded over backwards into the plane of the opening crawl, and then receded, followed immediately by the crawl text."

Now I would love to see that too.

In my opinion, I think that would come off pretty cheesey...

Thanks for the info Ady - I'm adding my +1 to the side of preferring your "original" cuts/edits over the purist edition, but obviously this is your baby, and I'll always have my other "non-HD" copy either way  :)  (And it still looks dang good for "non-HD", so I won't be losing sleep over it)

Keep up the great work across the board!  Looking forward to every single one coming over the next decade or so!  ;)  (That's meant to be encouraging, not depressing... ha)

So is the option to play the Battle of the Heroes music during the final duel out of the equation 99-100% now?  It sounds like it based on the update on the wordpress site - but just making sure.

LeadZero,

I just watched both, and I do like that cue there!

However... you have to remember that most people here are purists, and to change something so iconic as that scene with PT music... don't expect a lot of positive feedback  ;)

Either way, we all want different things, and I've been happy with Ady's decisions so far (I loved BOTH in ANH:R!) so we'll see what he thinks is best!

(And at the end of the day, you can always edit Ady's cut to your liking after he releases it too!)

You're not alone, it wasn't a bad suggestion - just a polarizing one.  :)

The lightsaber ebay link...

Great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great work!  Very excited!  Very very very.... you get the point...

;)

To add something to the discussion besides encouragement: I agree about physical models vs CG - why do CG when you can go real?  Miniatures and models all the way baby!  CG has it's uses for sure - but a model/real thing should be your first choice in film, in my opinion.

Anyone else a little uncomfortable with the coke bottle sticking out of his torso...?  ;)

Oh and L0conut, my post wasn't directed at you either - I just got caught up on posts after a while of not reading here.

Either way, loco suggestion nonetheless... badum pish!

*crickets*

I always thought I was good at paying attention to detail and inconsistencies... but wow...

Ady, I don't know how you listen to all of this and not get frustrated to the point of quitting...  

I applaud you for your stance on "eating the meat and spitting out the bones".  You have the patience of a saint and I can't wait to see your versions released, with whatever you think is best!  After watching ANH:R a few years back, I have faith that the rest of the films will be fantastic to my eyes, with very little input from me  :)

I'm all for passion - and I understand that some of the changes I appreciate in ANH:R are because of these type of suggestions in this forum - but there's gotta be a line somewhere, right?

Dangit... I knew I shouldn't have looked for updates in this thread...  I was so happy being busy with other things and totally forgetting about wanting to watch this...  Now it's back near the top of the desire list...

;)