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Thanks, hope it doesn't take away from something important!  It's amazing to see (in the other thread) all the revisions, you all found...and continue to find, which did go down, how extensive it really was.

I'm just at a weird state in life where i'd rather sift through all the shit on the internet then do much of anything else.  rather sad.  Wish I could write articles, maybe eventually, atm i'd rather just string quotes together then contribute something myself.  Will be fun to see what you turn out.  The problem you're up against is so many people have deeply entrenched thoughts on subjects like these.  And people involved, their statements don't always match what they do.

but really books.google search is very easy.  just toss in two-three words and tons of stuff comes up which wouldn't have been available (easily) a year or two ago.

Who Owns Information? From Privacy to Public Access by Anne W. Branscomb

http://books.google.com/books?id=zios2bIBA2wC&pg=PA85&dq=preservation+%22george+lucas%22&hl=en&ei=u8v_TYLSLafk0QGJhIzYAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CFQQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=preservation%20%22george%20lucas%22&f=false

has a chapter entititled

The Integrity of the Image: Colorization and Other Computer "Enhancements"

Get's into GL, Moral Rights, Colorization, the National Film Preservation Board and how it played out in the U.S.

Here's a blurb of John Williams talking about changing the films:

The Hollywood Film Music Reader by Mervyn Cooke

http://books.google.com/books?id=FhUZ4nphj58C&pg=PA243&dq=%22george+lucas%22+preservation&hl=en&ei=_sj_TbS9Iqbw0gH3mPHEAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CC8Q6AEwATgK#v=onepage&q=%22george%20lucas%22%20preservation&f=false

CB: These films are classics.  Why tinker with them now?

JW: Well, this is a very interesting question.  If the Star Wars Trilogy yis a kind of classic, why would w e want to tamper with it?  I'm not particularly in favor of coloring all the old early films in black and white and might come down on the side of saying, leave things alone.  That's one side of the argument.

The other side of it is tru for music also.

*omited*

Some sage said that a work of art is never finished, it's only abandoned.  That's really true of all of us; it's like one of our children.  You never finish trying to groom itl the chlid could be 60 years old, and you're still saying, "Well you look better if you dress this way."

So I think George is well within the predictable and understandable and probaly correct area of an artist's prerogative to continue to try to want to improve what's he's done.  He complained that he didn't have the animatics 20 years ago and he wants to do it now.  So I think on the one hand don't tamper with it, and on the other an artist can, ,shoudl and, I think, must be excused for wanting to continue to improve his or her work.  That's the two answers.

The third answer could be for those traditionalists who awnt the original the way it is--it's there.  They don't have to go; they can listen to the Brahms without his latest edition.  So they can see the original version and they can also see the new, updated George Lucas wish-list for his work.

I think it's a wonderful question and the answer has to admit all of these possibilities for us to be fair.

CB: The original negative for Star Wars was in horrible condition.

JW: I didn't know that.

CB: Because of the stock that they were using at the time.  What is your take on the whole idea of film preservation and how that affects both the films themselves and the scores?

JW: I can't speak with an expertise about film preservation, but I can talk emotionally and not as a serious art historian. I would make this observation: In the last 20 years or so, I've been very heartened -- I guess we all have - by the conscoiusness that has emerged about preservation.

Yeah it's a wishy washy nothing... That's JW!!

If you want to rekindle your warm and fuzzy Lucas the Preservations feelings here's a blurb:

http://books.google.com/books?id=JoGCsatYi5sC&pg=PA47&dq=%22george+lucas%22+preservation&hl=en&ei=kML_TbD-EIP00gHcrqCFAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CFgQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=%22george%20lucas%22%20preservation&f=false

A wax cylinder was discovered during an inventory at the Edison National Historic site in 1960 that was labelled 'Dickson Volin."  Because the image was kept at th Library of Congress in Washington D.C. and the soundtrack was at the Edison National Historic Site in New Jersey, it took a very long time to put the two back together.  The preservation effor twas produced by Rick Schmidlin, who worked with Jerry Fabris of the Edison National Historic Site and Walter Murch of Skywalker Sound.  First, a crack in the wax cylinder had to be repaired.  Then laser technology was used to lift the sound which had to be resynchornized to the image as the thump caused by the repaired crack was edited out.  The restul was teh music of Dickson's violin as he played an air from Pietro Mascagni's "Cavalleria Rusticana" with the sound of the dancing men's feet on the wooden platform, in perfect sync.  The total cost of preservation was over 300,00 U.S. dollars, which was paid for by Skywalker Sound, a George Lucas company.  The film will not be commercially available.  At the time of this writing, it was rumored that Lucas might use it as a logo for his company.

Anyone know what became of this?

A chapter from this is available:

Nitrate Won't Wait: A History of Film Preservatin in the United States by Anthony Slide (1992)

http://books.google.com/books?id=HZIq5-_hu5cC&pg=PA108&dq=%22george+lucas%22+preservation&hl=en&ei=kML_TbD-EIP00gHcrqCFAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CEEQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=%22george%20lucas%22%20preservation&f=false

one hit for 'George Lucas' (SW comes up blank)

A few directors tried to press for clauses in their contracts requiring producers to make black-and-white separation masters on their films.  Ironically, the only directors who could enforce such clauses were those, such as Steven Spielberg and George Lucas, whose films were so popular that it was in the best interests of the producers to make such master.

But from the Lucas/Nolan statement a few posts back it sounds like Fox didn't complete this part of the contract...

walkingdork, there used to be a trrnt in th'spleen called "BLAK0009: The 1975 Casting Auditions".  If it is not showing up in unseeded, does that mean it's 'lost' or is there some other location for neglected trrnts?

Posting details:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/STAR-WARS-The-Torrents-thread/post/93050/#TopicPost93050

Posted by............: Rikter Blaksvn
Date Posted..........: 02-11-05
Tracker/Site.........: Myspleen.net

msycamore wrote: Is this still seeded somewhere?

Doesn't show up in th'spleen unseeded.  Can ask walkingdork over in this thread: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Once-upon-a-time-on-MySpleen/topic/12652/page/5/

I already have all the correct timings in place, but these seems to be in nice quality, especially the Jedi going by the screen-cap, if I only had that quality when I did work on it. I'll definitely check these out.

Yeah these would only added better clarification on font/shadow choice.  We didn't know the tape existed when you started working unfortunately.  Did they use the same font for all three films?

Some of the subtitled sections (7 or so) got picked up in this automated screen cap guide:

http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/1983-TWC328_ROTJB-1.html

examples: (1/4th reduced)

msycamore wrote:

do you happen to know if there's a good preservation of the old screen tests for Star Wars out there?

Rikter's "BLAK0009: The 1975 Casting Auditions" is probably high up on completeness and quality scales.  (but I don't think i've seen an alternative DVD version) 

.nfo details: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/STAR-WARS-The-Torrents-thread/post/93050/#TopicPost93050

Thanks for the acknowledgement.  How have some of these finds helped out with the subtitle recreations?

via: clubjade.net

What does Admiral Ackbar say?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh5mNtWj5kE&feature=player_embedded

http://www.travelchannel.com/TV_Shows/Sand_Masters

Star Wars and LEGOLAND join forces for a new theme park attraction and an amazing Star Wars themed sand sculpture is part of the opening festivities.

cherbetterbest wrote: I do, in fact, have an ioffer store however, the items being offered are my OWN transfers and restorations of vinyl albums....never any one else's work!!

The point they were attempting to inform you of is that you don't own the copyright for the recording which you are transfering/restoring.  cherbette.ioffer.com

This quote seems to be in the context of physical objects which appeared on screen. "Important Pieces"  and "make an effort to preserve" is different depending on who you talk to.

But it's a nice quote.

And the colorization issues was a front to gain Moral Rights in US copyright legislation which would in turn give creators the ability to limit or outright not allow derivative works.

This thread is now about Judgement.

Adywan wrote: 47 for the OT. Interesting that the OT ones seem to be split into two parts.

They could be playing up the 'Lost Cut' angle and splitting out the SW material into it's own segment.  The 'Behind the Magic' CD-ROM material would alone eat up a third+ of this 28 minute number.

^Nice!  from the info:

FujiTelevision "Tuesday-wide Special STAR WARS Special feature"
Broadcast June 1980

(wonder if Richard Edlund learned his lines phonetically.  and a notable Revenge of the Jedi mention.  That camera-rig passes really close to the model in several places!)

[and what's youtu.be?  ...and how'd you stumble upon this?]

'Being Green Teaser Trailer' (The Muppets)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUUcOmgYEhY&feature=player_embedded#at=12

One of the writers, Matthew Graham, of 'Life on Mars' and 'Ashes to Ashes' semi-leaked that he was on the writing team of the forthcoming SW tv show:

http://www.denofgeek.com/television/941379/exclusive_writer_for_star_wars_tv_show_revealed.html

different perspective:

via: retrostarwars.tumblr.com via SWAficionado, bluemilk

TV's Frink wrote:

We gave up?

Honestly, I have no idea what the hell you are talking about.  OCP broke the rules and got banned.  End of story.

We know your mantra.  You weld it like a club.   

There Is No 'Done' With Me

TV's Frink wrote: OCP broke the forum rules.

Rules and laws can and will be changed as the members of the society which abides by them exists.

This is for everyone to decide for themselves, do you want to exist in a society in which after a certain period of time you are able to interact with the culture which surrounded you, or you can exist as society currently does that you are committing a punishable crime if you do interact with culture you grew up with.

Right now, in my eyes, you all gave up.  You would rather have people who create things go unrewarded besides the 'I Like' button.

That's unacceptable to me.  So i've taken this issue elsewhere.  Right to the U.S. Copyright Office, I made my case, they're thinking about it, or more likely writing me off as a kook.

doubleKOK wrote: I want to watch the one that has deleted scenes and stuff I haven't seen in the highest quality first. I'm guessing Star Wars Begins is superior?

A they have a different approach, Deleted Magic was more about exhaustive research of one category of SW knowledge the scenes which were eliminated.  SWB is a general look into some of the knowledge which went into the production of the film.  It's one persons take on what is/was important.  Quality and deleted scene material don't go hand in hand.  "If Quality is all that you love, then that's what you'll receive."  but you'll missed out on a lot of  substance as they doesn't exist in current ""quality"" mode.

Bingowings worte: Selling his own project was bad enough but selling other people's work too was beneath common piracy.

OCP was just ahead of his time.  He looked at the world as if copyright legislation was at it's US infancy (14 years) and created a new work using old (what should be public domain) just as GL reused ideas, myths and motifs.  OCP & JD's work is generally the future of academic research as with all material available instead of writing about what happened you can conjoin the bits of the actual recorded happenings.  {but this type of future is in jeopardy as laws get rewritten}  Jambe has done the same thing, just using a larger pool of material.  But with that comes the subjectivity of the selections, as his time length is the same, can't focus everywhere in 2.5 hrs.  So yes watch both as you'll learn different things from each.

http://techcrunch.com/2011/06/16/rebecca-black-friday-video-no-longer-available-on-youtube/

Previous thread:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-People-Vs-George-Lucas-documentary/topic/8902/

Since this has blu-ray all over it, might be best to continue here:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-coming-to-Blu-Ray-UPDATE-May-4th-2011/topic/11438/page/134/

Ewan looks to be sporting Obi facial hair and RotS concept art in the background, probably some RotS promo material.  Nice to see the Dennis Lawson footage pre-SFX.