nirbateman

Can changing the cut to Scuttle to a crossfade be easily fixed or did they remove frames?  Other than that and the new placement of "Walt Disney Presents," the only other changes that would need to reversed for a true theatrical version is:

1) Priest's knee reinstated

2) Some animation that was changed (very minor, but if you want to be nitpicky)

3) Original Walt Disney opening instead of the new one.  This can be found in its original form on the "Pocahontas" Blu-ray.

Also, is the LD stereo rip from the original 1990 LD?

Well, I'm not sure they removed frames, as a dub I attached from the PE fitted perfectly once I changed the opening fanfare to it.

I know of the priest's knee, but I don't know of any other animation changes, and I'm not that big of a purist when it comes to TLM since I didn't have the old VHS during my childhood.

The reversed shots did trouble me since it was a stupid mistake to make, and had to be corrected.

Adding the original fanfare is interesting, but that would mean re-encoding it so it could be merged with the rest of the film, and since the bit rate isn't constant, I'm not sure how well it would work.

The DTS from it could be very useful however, in editing soundtracks for LD rips. For example, the Diamond DTS of BATB.

As to the Stereo rip, I don't have one yet, but I would assume whoever does that would use the original LD.

I don't have the expertise to re-paint the film like other members, but I can definitely upload the fixed video if someone would like to take a crack at it.

As soon as I get my internet situation fixed I will make sure TLM is bumped up the "todo" list.

Awesome, let me know if you need the video.

Oh, I thought I made it clear that I did that.

Edited the previous post to reflect that.

Solveigmm only allows me to trim the video in a very exact manner, but not much more.

It does however does what it's supposed to do without a hitch.

Well, I got the European BD, and more importantly, I found a software that allows for frame-by-frame editing, Solveigmm.

It has a short learning curve and the result is lossless, as no encoding is involved.

So I fixed the reversed shots on "Part of That World" and now I have a 16 GB video file (Without the sound that can be added later).

Other than the opening titles and the cut instead of fade when Scuttle is introduced, what would it take to put that edition on the top of the list?

Audio wise, as I had said, Jetrellfo's DTS cd's and a LD rip of the Stereo soundtrack (I can upload a small rip with the new mix for comparison and synching reference if needed)

TLM made it to Switzerland, and I have just visited there and had a look:

The picture looks fantastic, really the best the film has ever looked on home video, but the editing mistakes are glaring, and should be fixed.

The sound is better than the DEHT, but is not the same as the 1997 mix, voices are heard on the front speakers as well, while on the 1997 mix, they are limited to the center channel.

Overall, with the DTS cd's of the 1997 mix and the Stereo mix from the LD, some mild editing on the BD can make it the best edition.

AntcuFaalb said:

Why not 720p with a higher bitrate? More bpp that way...

Usually, 1080p video can be efficiently encoded at 8 MBPS with very minimal compression artifacts.

Since TLM is a relatively short feature, it can be encoded at a higher bitrate for the same size, and would look even better.

At 12 MBPS, which is really overboard, it will be about 7.5 GB.

Since the source is 1080p, and we are not doing any filtering or any other changes to the video itself, I see no reason to downgrade it.

According to the samples, the colors look fantastic, actually.

No DNR to speak of either, there is actually visible grain.

This really is the best the film has ever looked, color wise and transfer wise.

But that screw up is really annoying.

I don't mind an encoded BD, at 1080p with 11 MBPS, the results can look perfect and still remain at a reasonable size.

The sound is a different matter.

No one has compared it to the DEHT or the 1997 mix.

It's probably a new mix, but I do not know if it's good or bad.

The BD isn't out yet, but very recent reviews just mentioned the flaw, and I have a feeling that it won't be fixed.

It's all over the Blu-ray.com forum, including samples.

I'm not fixing anything yet, I just examined my options with a different video to see if I can do precise splitting, which I can't.

EmpireSB said:

I'm sure it would be an easy fix if Disney doesn't fix it.  However, I doubt Disney will fix the issue.  They didn't fix the missing clouds in "The Lion King," but I'm not sure if the issue was known before the release and when the complaints started.  Apparently Disney admitted it was a mistake, but still didn't fix the issue.

The other changes aren't major, but still changes nonetheless.

I tried doing a preliminary edit with mkvmerge using the split by parts (frames) option. However, mkvmerge can only split after key frames.

Do any of you know of a software that can easily edit by frames?

The change with Part of your World is clearly a screwup, as Ariel would be mouthing the words "wish I could be" During that shot.

Hopefully, they'll fix it.

Otherwise, could one of us change the order of those shots?

MPC can do a soft matte very easily.

That is very sad, film was a part of our viewing experience not that long ago.

Here is a link to the review: http://www.blurayreviews.ch/reviews/little-mermaid-the-diamond-edition-blu-ray-review.htm

It's from a Swiss web site.

The snapshots look beautiful, and Ariel's tail is a mix of Green and Blue again.

The sound mix is being reviewed as being very good musically, but the high frequency is slightly distorted.

Also, on an interesting note, the 3D version is being supervised by John Lassiter.

Obviously, it would never replace the original, but I would give it a chance, just to see what they made of it.

Exactly! Finally!

However, it seems that people complain about it.

There is a German review of TLM which lists visible grain as a negative.

Also, Blu-ray.com users complain about it really hard...

How old could they be? Do they not understand film?

This also looks interesting:

A print of the 1990 restoration of Fantasia.

It would certainly be better than a LD rip.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/35mm-70mm-FANTASIA-remastered-1990-feature-on-LPP-Low-Fade-stock-/300945687147?pt=US_Film&hash=item4611c2c26b

Also, I noticed something when watching the BD3D version of BATB that may put the OAR into question.

The LBX LD was 1.66:1, and the BD is 1.78:1.

I thought that it was matted, but when I compared it to the Molly preservation, it had more information on the sides, and nothing was lost from the top or bottom.

Obviously, I would prefer to have some information missing for the correct colors, but I do believe now that the cinema aspect ratio of 1.85:1 was the most correct, and somehow the LD was affected.

There are also slight differences in color from the VHS version as well, as you could see from my preservation.

Just to add to the guide, a few BD's have been released in Europe and I got around to watching them.

The Sword in the Stone has indeed been DNR'd to death. DTS mix is the same 5.1 from the DVD, so it could be used for the HDTV or the WEB DL versions. AVOID.

Robin Hood and The Jungle Book fare much better, as they share the same masters as their previous respective DVD versions. The Jungle Book is matted to 1.75:1, while Robin Hood has been opened up slightly to 1.66:1, and I actually like it.

Oliver and Co' are somewhat in the middle, not as DNR'd as TSITS, but still messed with. It definitely looks better than the DVD, but I noticed some details lost here and there in the cleanup.

101 Dalmatians is the same master as the Platinum and no matting has occurred. It is in 1.33:1, and I haven't noticed anything wrong with the upgrade.

All of the above have a DTS mix that is from the same masters of the DVD's, AFAIK. The DTS does sound better and more nuanced.

Does the other print look better in that regard?

I mean, you said that it's cobbled together from different sources, so it may not be the most faithful.

Well, like I said before, the BD color matches the original color scheme, but suffers from over-restoration. So until a better print could be found, perhaps it would be better to put it on the back burner and work on the other prints.

ww12345 said:

Also - yes, poita and I have Pinocchio, Sleeping Beauty (in IB Tech) and Cinderella (in IB Tech) so they will make great color references for any color correcting that anyone wants to do to the official Disney releases.

Is there any progress with the Cinderella 35mm? Has it reached poita?

And how does the SB IB look compared to the previous one you showed us?

Oh, I see.

Well, you can always do a standard LD preservation and an attempt at merging the LD chroma and BD luma.

Except in Fantasia, where they filmed a new actor as a narrator, so it's hardly the same film.

Well, out of your collection, I'd say the BATB, TLK and Fantasia are most in need. The others have had a pretty good run on DVD and BD.

TLM could be useful for a lossless capture of it's sound mix, as the video is P&S, and the BD captures do look pretty damn good.

I want to say Cinderella and Pinocchio, but ww12345 and poita have purchased excellent film prints for both, which should be of reference quality once those projects are done with.

Also, could you put the using of LD color and BD luma in layman's terms? I'm not sure what you mean by that.

P.S, I noticed that someone bid on the incomplete BATB film print. Is it one of you guys?

@ Andrea, yes, you have been mentioned, and not just for name dropping sake :)

Those screenshots actually look pretty promising, there is actual grain in the shots!

Nothing about the soundtrack though, although it is a remix.

The DTS discs will probably still be the best option at the moment.

There were many changes in the first reel as well, the opening alone...

But perhaps, an upscaled LD for the first 20 minutes...

Andrea made his SW ones look really good.

The BATB one might actually have been awesome to have, if only it had reel one.

Also, this might be an excellent source for Fantasia:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FANTASIA-1990-reissue-35mm-feature-Disney-in-LPP-sold-on-reels-and-in-cans-/310715035401?pt=US_Film&hash=item48580f2f09

Actually, you are describing the fullscreen version correctly.

Pan and Scan is the most used process of fitting a widescreen film to a 4x3 picture, which was used here as well.

The "Academy ratio" version of LATT was indeed prepared especially for cinemas not yet equipped with scope.