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I remember hearing "The reason why the OOT wasn’t released in 2015 or '16 was because Star Wars needed more work done"
Anyone else remember hearing this? And did anyone find evidence supporting this theory or is this just internet nonsense
Maybe he’s purposely hiding information? For the surprise at Celebration 2017? Hmmmm…
Would he really wanna be the guy to ruin that kind of thing…By he do you mean Bill? He’d never do that. If by he you mean the guys from Fox/Disney at the presentation, of course. If it’s happening, there’s no doubt a gag order.
Has Bill spoiled things in the past though?
Reporting on this kind of stuff is his job. It’s not really spoiling. It’s just news. Not like he’s spoiling the plot of a yet to be released movie.
Yeah that’s MakingStarWars.nets job
Maybe he’s purposely hiding information? For the surprise at Celebration 2017? Hmmmm…
Would he really wanna be the guy to ruin that kind of thing…By he do you mean Bill? He’d never do that. If by he you mean the guys from Fox/Disney at the presentation, of course. If it’s happening, there’s no doubt a gag order.
Has Bill spoiled things in the past though?
He’s seems to think that the people his guy asked would’ve told him that they’re in the process of restoring them, which wouldn’t happen.
Maybe he’s purposely hiding information? For the surprise at Celebration 2017? Hmmmm…
Would he really wanna be the guy to ruin that kind of thing…
I don’t want to sound rude, because I really like Bill Hunt, but I don’t get what authority he has regarding this. He seems convinced that it won’t happen this year because of the “news” about the negative being conformed, which I thought that we knew since 2006, but he’s also assuming that no work has been done on that.
He even explained how they could’ve restored the prints just by scanning the snippings and digitally re inserting them into the films. You’d think with that kind of knowledge, you’d be skeptical whether or not that has happened.
I don’t want to sound rude, because I really like Bill Hunt, but I don’t get what authority he has regarding this. He seems convinced that it won’t happen this year because of the “news” about the negative being conformed, which I thought that we knew since 2006, but he’s also assuming that no work has been done on that.
How rude!
But yeah, what he claims as evidence for his thesis is entirely un-convincing.
This was also the guy that said we had a high chance of getting the prequels on 3D Blu-Ray
Whatever. We’re just humans after all. Not perfect. Not capable of predicting things 100% of the time.
George didn’t want them to look good next to his crap digital fake world prequels.
Episode I is not digital.
(and most movies are digital now)
It’s 1% digital. 😉
http://www.theasc.com/magazine/sep02/exploring/I think it’s hilarious how fuzzy the picture of GL using a digital cinema camera is:
I think it’s an intentional effect?
It’s stylistically designed to be that way and you can’t undo that.
Also, this is interesting. Interview with Bill Hunt regarding the 2017 OOT rumor starts at 8:45
http://geekleagueofamerica.com/2017/03/01/leaguecast-168-star-wars-un-specialized-bill-hunt-digital-bits/
lovelikewinter said:
Lucasfilm has more an obligation to make an announcement.Eh, maybe.
They have no obligation. They’ll respond to somebody when they feel like it.
Lucasfilm got back to OT.com during the time of the GOUT DVDs being released, so we know that they’re willing to respond to people. Perhaps now it’s a different story now that they’re under Disney control.
Didn’t hear it
Yup, just under six weeks until the “suprise,” whatever it is, gets unveiled at Celebration.
Fun. I enjoy speculating this stuff.
While the exact amount of detail varies between prints and negatives, any piece of film has a limited amount of detail. However the resolution is limited. So you can get a clearer and smoother image as you go up, even if no new detail is revealed.
And wider color gamut and color depth isn’t the main thing about HDR. Essentially you can go deeper into the blacks before clipping (though your room has to be ludicrously dark to most of the advantages), and more importantly vastly higher into whites before clipping, or I should more accurately just say highlights and shadows. The issue with current display standards is that you lose color vibrancy as you go dark or as you go bright. Max brightness can only be white on traditional displays. The idea is to have such values actually still retain color saturation, allowing for color decisions previously not possible. This could be as simple as being able to have the blue sky of the dat actually look bright, more similar to what you’d see with your eye.
Now the dynamic range of your format does affect the amount of detail you can show off as you can’t recover clipped values in a shot, but the details that do exist can be spread across the whole HDR range. Many modern cinema cameras can now have that level of detail to adapt wonderfully to HDR as recording in flat LOG type formats allow for an incredible amount of light information to be compressed into the footage.
Many top notch 35mm film scans currently in existence, I could imagine have plenty enough detail to support an HDR grade.
A well timed and refined HDR grade of these films from a new 4K+ scan of the negatives has the potential to be quite immersive.
Film scans can often capture the full dynamic range (aprox 13 stops) of the film now, though standard displays lack the ability to display all that range at once with about 5 stops range.
Yeah, deeper shadows and brighter highlights = HDR + wider Color Gammut this is really going to be an improvement.
I think where all this stuff get’s a bit confused is that it is essentially great to SCAN a film source in 4K (capturing detail and high exposure to capture more color) but unless you have a massive screen there is not much benefit to displaying it in 4K.
HD HDR (1080p) will be great for home viewing if you you have a 65" screen in your living room get a 4k 65" screen ok that makes sense you will get some benefit from that having it being able to display 4K.
Resolution although it allows more detail you won’t notice the extra detail unless you are very close to the screen.
There are 4k resolution phones being released now and to get the benefit of that you would have to strap the phone on to your eyes practically. It’s not any thing worth having… perhaps if you want to walk around with a phone strapped to your face / VR or AR ok you might get a small benefit.
Even if you have a 4k 65" screen you will still need to be pretty close to notice the extra detail. But being a larger display it will be noticeable.
UHD is ok but it is being forced out too early. Wait for HDR which will be the big noticeable improvement. Resolution only really works on distance from the display. HDR is a different thing it’s actually something that will make a very noticeable difference. HDR will not improve you old DVD’s or Blu-rays content will need to be specifically prepared to enjoy HDR also bear that in mind.
I would not bother getting a full 4k resolution display I would actually say anything up to 46" your best bet will be UHD HDR or HD HDR
+50" screen I would say 4k starts to become viable as an option but more towards 60"+ the benefit is much more 80"+ screen all in no doubt for 4K.
I think one of the barriers to HDR rolling out on mass though is the ability to revert the display to being a normal color range and normal brightness contrast range so you can enjoy your old content that was not prepared for HDR specifically. It’s being able to turn off HDR when you don’t have HDR pumping in to it.
I bought a 4K TV before HDR became more affordable and wide spread. Basically, I did the modern equivalent of buying a 1080i TV.
Still a nice looking TV though.
But you don’t know anything. I don’t say that to be rude, I don’t know anything about Verta’s meeting either, but for all anyone knows a ton of awesome stuff came of his meeting.
And for all we know, a ton of Santa’s elves are working on restoring the OOT too by the way.
Since no OOT has been released, and year after year for 20 years we have had nothing but the SE and antiquated garbage LD transfers, the burden of proof lies on the side of those claiming the OOT is just around the corner, not the other way around.
If you guys wanna wait until celebration, then whatever. But if the tune doesn’t change after that, then there is going to be a whole lot of hypocrisy on this board. George’s doors were burning down after a year. Now a generation later and it’s “Disney is going to release the OOT next year”…and then “Disney is going to release the OOT leading up to TFA”…and now “Disney is going to release the OOT for the 40th anniversary”. We know some of the posters are just waiting to move onto the “Disney is going to release the OOT after 2020” nonsense.
They aren’t going to do ****. They are going to continue making **** rip-off movies with ridiculous plotholes, bad acting and directing, scripts written by junior high students, and raking in billions of dollars thanks to brain dead franchise fans.
Also, Fox isn’t and was never going to pay for a restoration of Lucasfilm’s property just to distribute it on home media.
Says who? That is what happens with all film restorations. Every single one. They are old movies. They get released on home video. They are 30 years old. 70 years old. Whatever. They aren’t getting released theatrically to rake in hundreds of millions of dollars. They are old movies. And yet they get restored all the time.
There is some evidence. It might not be concrete, but it’s still evidence. For example, there’s credible word that Disney/Lucasfilm requested a scan of the Library of Congress’s film print of Star Wars.
It’s just a rumor, and even if that’s true, how does that possibly equate to them releasing the OOT this year? How many steps do you have to jump to reach that conclusion?
There are also at least three different people that I’ve interacted with online that claim it’s happening this year; they may all be wrong, that’s completely possible, but it’s still evidence, even if it’s hearsay.
Yeah well, my aunt and uncle, this kid around the block, and that dirty guy with a beard who lives in a van down by the river all told me that too. I guess we can count that as a guarantee.
Well, the OOT WAS released over a decade ago. Granted it looked like ass, but still.
I’m betting on Celebration 2017, because it’s fun to speculate!
You don’t know that they “Aren’t going to do ****” Just like how I don’t know whether or not the OOT is getting the Blu-Ray treatment this year, or at all!
Say what you will in regards to the new films, but they aren’t as bad as the prequels, surley! (Well, the ones that we’ve seen at least)
By the way, found a listing that’s 110% worse than those VHS ones…
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Star-Wars-Despecialized-Trilogy-3-Disc-Blu-Ray-Set-/182472276426?hash=item2a7c31f9ca:g:6dsAAOSwa~BYWjo2
They said there’ll be multiple surprises.
Three 4k SE discs.
The 1997,2004 and 2011 cut. What a release that would be.
So there is not currently an SE Jedi listing on Amazon digital? Meaning, this is indeed a mistaken mislabeling of the SE (and if you bought it, you would get the SE), but perhaps still indicative given that such information really has no business even being on Amazon’s servers?
edit: People are saying the run time listed is the theatrical one (2hr 14min). Isn’t that the SE time? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086190/technical
Yes, I started the whole run time thing and I was wrong and redacted my original comment. I once again apologize for the confusion. -Nick
There is literally no evidence to suggest that the OOT has been restored or will ever be released by Disney. None.
There is also literally (and lol at someone who has to keep using that word to try and make his point) no evidence to suggest it won’t ever be released by Disney. None.
There are literal examples of people literally using the term literally and I find that to be literally redundant
nickyd47 said:
Fox kept the original clippings of the OOT all these years and Mike Verta was requested to have a meeting by officials that were interested in his restoration… but none of this indicates anything.You’re right, it means nothing. From the mid-1990s until 2017, Fox has had the original cut frames in their possession, and in all 20-something of those years, the OOT was never restored and never released. And as far as anyone knows, absolutely nothing came of Mike Verta’s meeting.
There is literally no evidence to suggest that the OOT has been restored or will ever be released by Disney. None.
They did nothing with the clippings because George Lucas said so. Fox may have rights to A New Hope forever but George Lucas had the power to put out whatever version he saw fit and had the power to keep the other versions off the market.
Oops.
nickyd47 said:
Fox kept the original clippings of the OOT all these years and Mike Verta was requested to have a meeting by officials that were interested in his restoration… but none of this indicates anything.You’re right, it means nothing. From the mid-1990s until 2017, Fox has had the original cut frames in their possession, and in all 20-something of those years, the OOT was never restored and never released. And as far as anyone knows, absolutely nothing came of Mike Verta’s meeting.
There is literally no evidence to suggest that the OOT has been restored or will ever be released by Disney. None.
They did nothing with the clippings because George Lucas said so.
There is literally nothing to indicate that Disney and Lucasfilm will be releasing the OOT…ever. It is virtually certain that any 40th anniversary special announcement will pertain to the 4k scan of the Special Edition and yet another Special Edition release.
Fox kept the original clippings of the OOT all these years and Mike Verta was requested to have a meeting by officials that were interested in his restoration… but none of this indicates anything.
The trims still exist according to them, but that doesn’t mean that they haven’t done anything with 'em.
It’s been my hope Disney would release the OUT, but I saw this Digital Bits article:
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/columns/my-two-cents/022417-0100
I don’t know if anyone else saw this, but my hope for an OUT release this year dropped. Don’t delete your Harmy files yet. I sincerely don’t get why Disney just doesn’t do the restoration, especially since they’ve been otherwise sympathetic to fans otherwise.
“In addition, 20th Century Fox’s Senior Vice President of Library and Technical Services, Shawn Belston, was also on hand at the Wexner event last night. He confirmed that all of the “trims” removed from the original cut negative (in the mid-1990s, to create the SEs) still exist as well.”
We’ve been told so many things from different seemingly reliable sources. It’s hard to believe who and what.
So Disney doesn’t have access to a cleaned up print of Star Wars, but does Fox?
Go to Amazon and search Return of The Jedi. This is what I saw…
We had all this discussion and I forgot to ask, how exactly did you stumble upon this?
I was just looking through the digital movies available on Prime Video and noticed that and was like “That wasn’t there before”
I’m super suspicious of this.
And if it is true, there’s no way it doesn’t end up on Blu as well.
Then again, if it was only digital then Disney would get 100% of the profit on Empire and Jedi.
Yeah, 100% of the substantially smaller profits.
True, and it would piss off a lot of people to release such a long-sought-after item as a digital-only release.
Celebration 2017 Starts
Kathleen Kennedy walks on stage and says "About the theatrical cuts"
Audience goes nuts
She continues "The original versions of the films you love"
Audience gets even louder with a couple of people shrieking audibly louder than everyone else
"Are NEVER going to be released"
Drops the microphone and walks off stage
Audience is silent
Audience CHEERS with claps and tears
Celebration 2017 ends and everyone goes home
Collider recaps Celebration 2017 and talks about how they all stood up and clapped and cried over Kennedy’s announcement
Last time I saw Pablo comment, he said this:
As far as I know, there’s only one person who could make this happen and he hasn’t seemed all that interested.
He’s apparently shifting this onto Lucas. Which doesn’t make sense if Fox and Disney are meeting with Verta on his restoration. But if they had one of their own, they wouldn’t be meeting with Verta saying “we have one, thanks.” I guess we’ll find out at Celebration.
He didn’t pitch his meeting as an offering of the unaltered version of Star Wars.
What exactly was the situation with that meeting?
Did it ever even happen?
I have no idea if it happened, I just know that the way he described it seemed like something that could have easily been misinterpreted as having little to do with Star Wars. It’s hard to say though.
It happened, and Disney said it wasn’t up to them and set a meeting with Fox.
That was his interaction with a Disney person, not the pitch. Either way, he asked not to discuss details on this site so that’ll be the most and last I’ll say of it. He posted in detail on his own forum what the plan was for this month so check that out.
Could you please link me to his site? I used to remember the URL…
