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Mielr said:

Relax, negative1.

I wasn't asking Adywan to do anything. Adywan has already expressed his own dislike for 'Jedi Rocks' and I was just echoing dumb_kid's likewise statements.

Ady has already said that he's removing Hayden Christiansen from the finale, so I don't think there's anything wrong with discussing other undesirable scenes.

Or, are we not allowed to do that here?

 

you were echoing dumb_kids request to adywan to have it removed, even if you didn't ask explicitly,

i was just wondering why people weren't more proactive in doing there own fixes...

or, are we not allowed to do that here?

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digitalfreaknyc said:

 Uhh...dude...you really don't know what you're talking about and, like your 35mm thread, are clearly out of your league.  Adywan IS using an HD source for this project.  I never said he wasn't.

that's not what i said, you were referring to "ANH:R" , which applies to your complaints about

compression and artifacts...... of course, we all know that this thread is about HD..

backing up, you still seem to think that even with this project, the final result on a DVD-9

will not match up to some supposed clarity of a future version that isn't even confirmed..

oh well, enough of that... back to the other topics..

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satanika said:

Something like this?
http://www.terratec.net/en/products/Cinergy_HT_PCI_1828.html

Really it should be easy to find a cheap tv tuner card at any computer store.

 thanks for the help,

i'll look into it, and hopefully have some kind of transfer by next week.

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digitalfreaknyc said:

Again, I want to get off of this subject because I certainly don't want Ady to think that i'm raining on his parade because I certainly am not.  As I said previously, I absolutely LOVED the revisited version of Star Wars.  I cannot remember the last time I actually sat through the entire movie and his version made me do it.  He has brought back the magic of Star Wars imho.

ha ha,  thats very diplomatic of you..

you criticize the rest of us with smaller TV's as being blind to the differences, and not

caring about compression, and even when there are acceptable HD versions out....

and then you turn around and praise Adywan for not using a HD source, that uses MPG2

compression, which you hate....and you ignore your initial statement, to make it sound like you're not

criticizing the quality, but you like the content?

man, you can't have it both ways...

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Mielr said:

dumb_kid said: Now on topic... Ady I know you may be doing minor tweaks to the movies themselves (Han shoots first , etc) Any chance you can just yank out "Jedi Rocks"? I know you can't put in Lapti Nek with the orginal puppets, but the new song and dance number is awful. Hell I wouldn't mind an abrupt "cut to next scene" over having to being yanked out the movie completly with the horrible CG critters.

LOL! I share your sentiment. 

My suggestion would be to put Lapti Nek in using the GOUT- of course there would be an obvious drop in quality, (except for some cutaway shots that he could still use from the HD source) but that would still be better than leaving in 'Jedi Rocks' or cutting the scene out altogether. IMHO, anyway. ;-)

 

how hard is it for you guys to fast forward past the parts you don't like? is it really that hard?

or what about taking the final version, and editting it yourself? if you want the scene removed,

just go into your favorite editor, and take it out?

i think the minor changes are fine, but what you're asking for is major surgery on the movie,

compared to touch-ups.... i mean adywan is free to do what he wants...

but how come no one else wants to try to do it by themselves, instead of constantly asking?

[and being disappointed when the change isn't made]...

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satanika said:

What about a tv-card/tv-grabber for the computer?

 any ideas on one that has RF input?

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C3PX said:

negative1 said:

well since i started them, i think i would know , don't you think?

 

if you had read them, you wouldn't be asking about the prospects.

 

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I have read them, and the prospects look grim.

 read them again someday, and maybe you'll see something different, and more hopeful 

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has anyone had access to a 70mm trailer or anything else, that a comparison could

be made?

obviously getting a 70mm print of a film would be very hard (although i would

have thought the same of 16mm and 35mm before)

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genorules said:

Hello all,

 

I am new here. I found this site thanks to this thread. I am blown away that someone pulled this off!

 

I need to see this, and cannot locate a DVD9 anywhere on the net. Is there someone who can burn dual layer and send me one? I will compensate you via paypal for your time.

 

Again, to the creator, wonderful job. Someone mail this to Lucas!

where exactly are you looking?

the first thing if you do search on this thread is how to get it.

go to : http://fanedit.org/517/

all the links are right there, and there are several links to the torrents

on : the piratebay, mininova, demonoid

if you have newsgroup access to : alt.binary.starwars

it is there also...

it's hard NOT to find it...

and NO it will never be mailed to Lucas otherwise there would be legal issues,

so don't suggest it.

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digitalfreaknyc said:

negative1 said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

Again, let's investigate how all of you are watching these things.  Are you watching them on 42" screens?  I hate to say it but there's not a single person on here that i'd trust to do an accurate review of any of these. Send them to the professional reviewers with 100"+ screens and then you'll see all the problems with the original mpeg-2 files.

 

 i grant you of course, you can see differences on a 100" screen, is that what you have? ok..

well, i've only got a tiny 32" widescreen...so that's why i don't notice it as much..

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 at 32"...even HD doesn't really matter all that much.  With all due respect, you're certainly not in a position to judge.

I have a 60"...almost double yours. 

well, when made your blanket statement without clarifying the conditions, that why i wrote

back with my evalution, i never said it was definitive.

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digitalfreaknyc said:

Again, let's investigate how all of you are watching these things.  Are you watching them on 42" screens?  I hate to say it but there's not a single person on here that i'd trust to do an accurate review of any of these. Send them to the professional reviewers with 100"+ screens and then you'll see all the problems with the original mpeg-2 files.

 i grant you of course, you can see differences on a 100" screen, is that what you have? ok..

well, i've only got a tiny 32" widescreen...so that's why i don't notice it as much..

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digitalfreaknyc said:

BMadden said:

Exactly. The AVCHD versions all fit on dual layer DVDs and they are absolutely "crystal clear" IMHO.

 

 Oh yeah?  what size screen are you watching it on?  Just because it looks "crystal clear" and "blows away the DVD version" doesn't mean it's an up-to-snuff HD version.  If you take that version and compare it to a proper blu-ray encoding, it's not going to compare.  I'll guarantee that.  Plus, the sound needs to be uncompressed.

Don't get me wrong, it's a great interim solution because, for the moment, that's all we have.  But eventually the official release will (quality-wise) blow it away.

 how in the world can you predict how well a movie is encoded? i have several HD-DVDs that

are marginally better than the DVD despite them being 1080p...... yeah, let's wait until it

IS ACTUALLY RELEASED and then talk...... not theoretically, and not hypothetically...

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well, my CED player only has RF output,

which is fine, so i can watch it on TV..

how do i convert it to RCA output, so i can digitize it?

i've read that i need some kind of demodulator, and most responses

say just get an old VCR...... ok, if i do that, do i need to buy a blank

tape, and act like i'm recording something to get it to output video?

i've never owned a vcr, so i have no idea what to do with one....

i take it they work something like a cassette deck? (except with video?)

thanks for any advice...

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i haven't kept up with this,

but if anyone knows anything, i'd be very interested to find out also..

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C3PX said:

negative1 said:

you might want to check the preservation threads with 35mm in them..

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You might want to read said threads yourself, the possibility has never looked too promissing...

well since i started them, i think i would know , don't you think?

if you had read them, you wouldn't be asking about the prospects.

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C3PX said:

negative1 said:

calm down, good sir,

why are you in such a rush?

good things come to those that wait.....or you just have to do it yourself (hint hint)

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Doing it yourself worked well enough with the jump from laserdisc to DVD, but don't count on LD transfers looking worth much when converted to Blu-ray, and beyond LD, I am not sure what source you are going to use for doing it yourself. No matter how you spin it, unofficial or official releases, LD is currently the top quality OOT we have to work with.

 

you might want to check the preservation threads with 35mm in them..

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Sluggo said:

If anyone here gets these sets, could they scan the covers and post em?

 don't worry, i have them on preorder..

(if there's a PAL version, i'll get that too)..along with any FULLSCREEN versions too..

and will let you know the minute they arrive..

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Janskeet said:

Screw whatever Lucasfilm releases, there's way better stuff done by fans these days you can find at fanedit.org compared to anything LFL has ever released. Like Adywan's SE revisited, and the "Building Empire" and "Retiurning to Jedi" films. They're the most extensive collaberations of the making of the two films I have ever seen. They're way better than anything Lucasfilm has ever made on the making of the films. Even if Lucasfilm does release something good, we'll have to wait years to get it. Screw waiting for LFL to release something good. That's a waste of time and an insult to us fans, go to fanedit.org and you can find just about everything you want and you don't have to wait for it. Lucas wants to re-write and bury the true pre-'97 history of SW because it reveals the truth about this a-hole. LFL doesn't respect the movies and LFL doesn't care about the franchise anymore, the hell with them. Pretend the fans dictate what is done with the movies these days.

Janskeet said:

Even if LFL releases the OT (probably only his revised one) on BLu-ray, you're in for at least another 2 year wait. Like you guys said, they're waiting for it to become the dominate format and with this new DVD release coming , theyll probably wait for the DVD inventory to get low before moving to Blu-ray. Also, Blu-ray doesn't mean better picture quality unless they transfer it properly from original sources. And we all know how good Lucas is at that. SD DVD transferred on Blu-ray will look no better than SD if it doesn't come from a source that is less compressed and has more information stored than SD DVD capacity.  

 calm down, good sir,

why are you in such a rush?

good things come to those that wait.....or you just have to do it yourself (hint hint)

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Mielr said:

C3PX said:

Bargain pack? Really? 50 USD a bargain pack? Must be some strange use of the word "bargain" of which I was not previously aware.

I think that's just the MSRP. Amazon has it listed for $36.99

 i never bought the original Indiana Jones trilogy for myself just because of 1 reason,

it ONLY had surround sound..... and not stereo, and i (or should i say my parents)

didn't have a surround sound system at the time..

you can barely hear the dialogue, it was horrible....

i ended up having to re-rip the sound, and 'boost' the center channel, and

then 'downmix' it to stereo..

so i was glad they are finally all re-released in a better package.....

the only problem is that the 2nd, and 3rd films sucked (that's my issue)..

and in the boxset, you don't get the extra artwork you get, if you buy

them separately... go figure..

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Gaffer Tape said:

Good Lord, man, I wasn't "picking" on you or your post in any way.  I was just making what I thought was a humorous observation about the way something was written.  I actually hadn't gotten around to addressing the information you presented to me yet, but that doesn't mean I wasn't going to do so at some point after I'd thought about the matter enough to say something that someone else hadn't already addressed.  I believe you assume too much.  Also, yes, I made a generalizing statement. 

thanks gaffer for responding politely... yes, i have strong feelings (ha ha) or forcelike abilities

to tick people off, it's a curse...[hmmm........or maybe its a gift.... i lean to the darkside].....

let me back up and say , you caught me off guard, because i felt you genuinely wanted information,

and i did want to present a lot of information that i found to be 'interesting'...

and i felt you did take it rather offhandedly, which i mistook for your not taking it seriously..

now, its my turn to apologize, and say forgive me for retorting in the manner that i did,

as i feel that some people (not all), bait PT/EU sympathsizers here for the amusement

of others......

the star wars galaxy is huge, and not everyone wants to explore it, yes i realize that...

thats where imagination comes into play...... (by the way, i am Christian, so i would

think religous preconceptions, and notions also come into play and bias here)...

a lot of things about the force do seem mystical, and simplistic, and if you base your

ideas of it based on:

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1) just 'star wars' - you really don't have a lot to go on... you see people being choked, ben

altering peoples mentality, people disappearing after getting killed, a person who is able to deflect

bolts without  seeing them, and someone making an impossible shot...................really what else is

there?

2) both SW and ESB - you get a little better notion, by seeing yodas object manipulation, another

force ghost, luke levitating objects, his lightsaber, and jumping superhigh...darth vader also

uses the force to throw objects, sense luke, and of course more mentions of the darkside

3) all three OT films - you get to discovers luke's ability to manipulate objects has gotten

more powerful, you see a lot more of the darkside, etc....

anyways, its such a limited subset of the full view of the force...

but if that's all you know, and are happy to expand your view, in your mind, that's fine....

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the prequels changed all that.................and before the prequels, the EU changed

it a lot more........................................................ why wouldn't some fans want to

know more about this mysterious force? that's why to me, all those details,

explanations, and ideas EXPANDED the original, and i was fine with it....

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what the prequels did for me, was finalize some points about where the force

came from, and we saw a lot more practical/physical effects of it..................

i never had a problem with it then, and i still dont'....

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now, for the people that say, they can accept some aspects of the force or

another, and try to second guess, or shoehorn what their ideas of the 'force'

should be into the Lucas universe is a very difficult excercise....

i'm not sure that there can ever be an adequate description of the 'force' that

will please 'purists' of the OT, since all the explanations have been made already..

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please continue with your analysis,

i for one AM intrugued on what others think.....

i read 'splinter of a minds eye' when it first came out, which is why the idea

of other 'force' objects, and explanations were not that hard for me to accept,

since those ideas were tangential to the latter movies.....and yes, i realized

the darth vader / family stuff continuity was pretty much shot, when empire came

out...............but by then, i was also reading the comic books, and the newspaper

strip...... so there was always other conflicting information out there..

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sorry for the rambling post..

i hope i made some sense..

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