negative1

not exactly the best comparison..

but i tried overlaying the GOUT for the

trash compactor over our red test reel.

i've included some cropping marks around

the images:

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here's the actual video vs 35mm, the dark

area around the green lines are the parts

that are normally cropped... we'll be cropping

the image also in the final version, but not

that much:

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http://www.sendspace.com/file/knwgge

i'll post a few other short reduced video clips..

of course the colors are all temporary, and

not anywhere near the final ones!

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here's some comparison shots of the

corridor sequence against some alternate takes:

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Confused-about-O-OT-Lightsaber-Colors/post/586059/#TopicPost586059

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You_Too said:

save you a lot of digital cleanup work. The movie is in good hands!

yup, thats the point.. but it will still need

cleanup afterwards. just less.

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Harmy said:

Wow, what a difference. I love the idea that you guys are doing an actual physical restoration/clean-up of the film itself. BTW is the film actually this red or is it just due to the conditions under which the photo was taken?

interesting article.

also noted that those shots weren't

used, and from another angle.

the outfits look like a different color (lighting?)

here's ours:

the closest to the original shot:

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the explosion from the left side:

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the closest shot to the last,

none of the rebels fall over though,

and you can't really see the debris

on the ground:

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Brooks said:

you sure those pics aren't switched?  the second one looks worse, doesn't it?

here's a sample

of film untreated:

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and after with filmguard:

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very interesting effect.

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if there is interest in the phantom

menace LD. please double check

to see if they are posted in alt.binaries.starwars

and let us know if they're still being listed

or not.

thanks!

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toho-scope said:

i would be interested in a modern LD transfer of the phantom menace

we did a transfer awhile ago.

here:

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Prequel-Bootlegs/post/555428/#TopicPost555428

maybe not on machines as good as the ones

listed. but decent.

they are posted in alt.binaries.starwars

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much like harmys blue tinted shots..

we also have a few scenes, like the

vader conference shots that show some

changes in the coloring between grayish,

green, and blue.. i'll try to pull up some

examples..

i think we're going to make those look one

consistent shade also..

in the meantime, here's a little bit of the

cleanup on reel 4, the results look great,

and not too overly clean... we're only removing

the dirt, and scratches on the film, NOT what is

originally there.

the video has some weave and floaty camera

going on, that will be stabilized.. i think it's hard

to figure out what it might have looked like in the

theater, because it was probably somewhat shaky

there also.. but all the newer versions of the shot

look more stable. i prefer it that way.

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Colortiming-Cinematography-was-What-changes-was-done-to-STAR-WARS-in-93/post/585989/#TopicPost585989

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here's a sequence of shots,

and cleaned up from the

vader conference in reel 4:

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the video shows the results as being very good.

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read the first 10 pages of this thread.

it's been covered.

who said i'm posting all the details here?

this is a tiny fraction of what's been going on.

all i see is some fragments of pictures,

screenshots, what looks like a camera and film,

a trailer, and vague descriptions. something anyone

with a few frames, a scanner, and some clips that

could easily be altered.

if that's proof of something, you must be easy

to convince. i wouldn't be, until i see some

finished footage or the whole thing.

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ww12345 said:

It shouldn't case color shift unless it was on an Eastman stock or something fade-prone, in which case the colors being removed would be part of the base dissolving or decomposing.

Filmguard is cleaning out that scratch line - it has minor cleaning properties. Basically, when you see a black scratch, that is dirt in the hole. Each of the other colors are emulsion layers being exposed, until you get to the white/clear base color of the film!

correct, this is what cinch has to say about it:

"no, it doesn't alter color space at all. the change on the dolby trailer was just due to different color temperatures set on the capturing cam, that's all. filmguard doesn't even cause changes in opacity, so it is optically clear."

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mark hamill at 2012 comic con,

will be in sushi girl movie:

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http://www.theinsider.com/movies/53951_Sushi_Girl_Yes_This_is_Mark_Hamill_from_Star_Wars/

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captainsolo said:

-1 interesting tests with the FilmGuard. If it goes successfully are you going to use it on selected damaged parts?

depends..

on the lpp print, maybe select parts.

on the red reels, the whole thing..

DVD-BOY said:

Out of interest, what difference, if any is there between filmguard and a wet gate transfer.

I have heard of the latter in terms of telecine, but not the former before this topic?

Is filmguard just a product name?

filmguard is just a product name as mentioned in the links

above. the difference is the process alters the film by coating it.

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TV's Frink said:

What of the what?

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7FN said:

Interesting stuff - thanks for that! Wonder what the long-term effects of using filmguard treated prints are though. Visions of sticky rolls of film in the future? One hopes they did some accelerated age testing on film stock ;)

Whatever the future concerns may be from using this liquid, certainly does a great job of cleaning up the image though!

from the site:

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Are there any side effects to using FilmGuard?  None that have come up in almost ten years of testing.  Thus far, all test theaters as well as my own experimenting have turned out virtually perfect results every time, regardless of the film stock or type of projection equipment used.  However there are two added and unexpected benefits with the FilmGuard sytem.

Has your theater ever had a roof leak water onto a print?  I have ran across seven.  Two of those were at theaters currently testing FilmGuard.  Even after considerable water dripped onto the print, the film still ran perfectly fine and projected flawlessly!  The other five were at other non-test theaters.  When those prints were attempted to be unraveled, the film stuck together and was very tacky, the emulsion literally peeling off.  By putting clamps on the print and standing it upright, we were able to soak some thick paper towels with FilmGuard and wipe it on both sides of the film, literally to the point where the edges of the print were shining with FilmGuard liquid.  After letting it soak in for a few minutes, we found we could thread up the movie as normal and ran it through a freshly soaked set of new media pads and only the tail end of the film which was attempted to be unraveled before applying FilmGuard wouldn't project.  The rest of the print looked perfect!

The second unintentional benefit has not had a lot of testing, but I offer it here for what it is worth.  I am speaking of Vinegar Syndrome.  I have had several prints come my way with a distinct vinegar odor to them, coated them with FilmGuard and after 5 years are still running beautifully without any vinegar smell.  Is this a cure?  Well, I'm not sure.  Again I have not done enough testing to promise that.  However, if anyone uses FilmGuard specifically for this purpose, I would be very interested to know the results and will post them here.

There has to be something negative related to FilmGuard.  Yes, but it is minor.  The first time FilmGuard is applied to a print you will notice some light streaking which looks like water on the film.  This is normal and will disappear within 1-2 shows.  It is part of the coating process.  This is also why I strongly recommend FilmGuard be applied starting on the FIRST run-through showing.  This way, the public only sees a perfectly clean presentation.

Also, FilmGuard was not intended for use with Photoguarded prints.  FilmGuard will not damage them, but will offer no benefits as the lubricant cannot penetrate through the Photoguard.  However, Photoguarded prints are a rarity and most theaters will never run one.  In addition, FilmGuard should not be used on endless loop platter systems.  However, endless loop cabinets are fine.

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for more information on filmguard, see this:

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http://www.film-tech.com/products/filmguard.php

How does it work?  Simple.  FilmGuard is a non-evaporating lubricant and cleaner.  All other liquid film cleaners currently on the market, such as VitaFilm, RTI, ECCO, Renovex and FilmRenew to name a few, are designed as a cleaner/lubricant, but only really provide cleaning benefits due to their evaporative qualities.  Pads of some sort are soaked in the liquid and then the film is quickly dragged through the cloth, before the cleaner evaporates.  The second most popular method of cleaning film is through the use of PTR rollers.  Upon my personal testing of these, I have found they don't really accomplish anything.  In fact a theater I worked at tried a side by side comparison between a dry web media cleaner ran once a week vs. a PTR cleaning system ran every show.  The prints were both brand new, of the same film stock and movie, run on exactly the same projection equipment and by the same caring operators, with the projectors thouroughly cleaned out after each run.  To put it simply, after one week the PTR print looked dirty and the print that had only been cleaned once with a dry web media cleaner still looked good.

First, FilmGuard will deep clean better than any other liquid cleaner on the market.  I have taken many an older print and run it through FilmGuard several times and cleaned up virtually all of the dirt and even covered up base side scratches.

Second, FilmGuard is polyestar safe!  As everyone knows, the switch to polyestar film was accompanied by a loss of ability to lubricate prints at the theater level, and even recent attempts to lubricate prints at the lab do not work effectively.  FilmGuard is the first cleaner which is safe to apply to polyester film since Warner Brothers introduction of Estar film stock with "The Fugitive."  Prints ran with FilmGuard run smoother, steadier and quieter than prints without.

Finally, since FilmGuard is designed  to NOT evaporate, a thin coating is created on both sides of the film.  Thus, the film is in a way "submerged" in liquid and will project to the screen with true "wet gate" qualities, the likes of which can only be seen today in laserdiscs, DVDs and the Texas Instruments' new DLP video projection system.  As I mentioned above, since the film is covered in liquid, many base side scratches, just like in wet gate printing, will be covered up and will not project to the screen...even though they are still there.  With FilmGuard, you will have all these benefits without having to purchase new equipment or make any modifications to existing equipment.

yes, marketing hype, but some information in there..

will have a preview of r4 comparison with

some cleanup coming shortly..

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bilditup1 said:

 

 

It would be a good idea not to use a web browser, but a real client like FileZilla or maybe Cyberduck, or FireFTP for Firefox. Make sure you're in passive mode.

Everything WP3 through R6 is up. R2 is an mkv file. Of the examples, the Luke saber-training on the Falcon, the latest trash compactor, the latest Obi/Vader is up.

And please, play nice, and don't try anything stupid.

 

bk1.zapto.org, port 21, user/pass: harmy/harmy

 

-e

 

thanks for this.. yeah, it was very slow going for me.

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Stinky-Dinkins said:

EDIT: The top picture on the previous page, not the two pics just posted. For some reason I thought I was on the last page when I was on the previous page. I blame Frink.

don't worry.

we all blame frink.

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TV's Frink said:

 

stretch009 said:

TV's Frink said:

re encoding, I've had good results with hcenc.

I don't know that much about the topic but I'm pretty sure he'd rather use the far superior x264 over hcenc's mpeg2 encoder.

Edit:  If you were talking about the DVD5 than ,yes, I totally agree.

 

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Sorry, I was indeed talking about the DVD5.

 

you're sorry?! you should be!

go back to your room! stay there, and don't come out again!

i551 said:

It's too bad the lpp print isn't available yet.  I wonder, how do the known theatrical bootlegs treat those shots?  I'm rather skeptical of this simply because we've never noticed it before, as far as I know, anyways. Perhaps it was just on ib prints?

If it was on all/most prints I would vote to keep it, but if it was both ways theatrically, I think there's no reason to choose the worse looking theatrical version.

 

well, we will know soon enough..

but my suspicion is that it will be like the top picture.

every other source i've looked at, including all the laserdiscs,ced,

vhs etc. seem to point to the top coloring for now.

if i'm wrong, we'll probably just leave it like the bottom one,

with a small adjustment.

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ww12345 said:

That's exactly what it does. All you want is a very thin layer, and it will cover up all the scratches, and also do a little bit of dustbusting! :)

i'll see if i can get some pictures of applying it,

or what the film looks like..

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excellent! just what we've been waiting

to hear! great job!

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ww12345 said:

How are you guys applying the Filmguard? Are you actually using that applicator system they supply? Just as a word of caution, too - too much Filmguard is possible, and it is not good.

very carefully.

lightly applying to the film with a soft

cloth. we're taking every precaution.

that's why we're running all these tests

first.

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Jan said:

Do we have any idea how it looks in the LPP print negative1 uses for his project?

we're getting there.. but not yet.

actually, i do have this from the red test reel.

so we can't really trust that.

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