LexX said:
I just wanted to put this somewhere, I love the colors of this shot, I bet it's from the original film/negative/whatever.
that's a great shot..
ours:
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we should have all the frame data
for the 35mm lpp now...
of course going through it will take awhile
while we assemble it..
there might be a few frame differences at the
tail ends, but that should be about it.
everything else should match up.
we'll see....
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msycamore said:
Wow, what activity. :)
I like that you mention the warm and golden quality of Star Wars as that is exactly how I remember it, especially the scenes on Tatooine, slightly old fashion. I also think that sometimes people may mistake the warm 70's look for very saturated colors, this frame is a perfect example of that nice 70's look. Those pics of the Derann print also display it, very nice.
Haven't seen this one before, was it posted on his site? Another thing that stands out to me about this frame is the darker blue on R2-D2, see how far removed the look of R2 seen in modern transfers is compared to this, even compared to some earlier transfers to some extent.
here is our version:
(these are all raw non-corrected frames)
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TServo2049 said:
That picture was originally posted by Mike in the Despecialized Edition thread.
Here are the other images from the screening which he posted there:
Mike's original posts are in pages 122 and 123 of the thread. He explains more about the screening, how warm projector bulbs were in the 70s, and how the same print projected with modern lighting looks different:
http://originaltrilogy.com/FORUM/topic.cfm/Harmys-STAR-WARS-Despecialized-Edition-HD-AVCHD-DVD9-and-NTSC-DVD5-AVAILABLE-see-1st-post/topic/12713/page/122/
http://originaltrilogy.com/FORUM/topic.cfm/Harmys-STAR-WARS-Despecialized-Edition-HD-AVCHD-DVD9-and-NTSC-DVD5-AVAILABLE-see-1st-post/topic/12713/page/123/
and the other two:
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ww12345 said:
Interesting. What would be the reduction of file size, just as an estimate?
do you mean for the 1080p or the 720p?
we're not completely sure yet.. but 720p raw data is about
45% of the 1080p to start off with before
compression.
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ww12345 said:
That might be a fair compromise.
I'm CONUS, too, so the shipping for me would not be a big deal - maybe $50-60 tops to ship the hard drives. However, for people who were interested, like Harmy, it could get really expensive really quickly. Not only would they have to fork out the money for the terabyte harddrives, but they would incur huge shipping costs. I just shipped 10 DVDs to a South American fellow and he had to pay $58 in shipping - and that was the dirt cheapest way. I just don't want our non-CONUS members to get shafted because it will be a huge file...
Would one be able to do a 1080p OpenEXR? I read a bit about it yesterday, but am still a little confused about what it does. Does it make the files smaller, using a better compression ratio or something?
shipping is a pain, especially if its multiple drives.
openEXR supports 1080p, with non-lossy compression, and
a whole lot more. it would reduce the filesize, but not by the
amount that would make a huge difference for this issue.
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here is the final reel that i have for now.
the others are still being worked on..
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http://soundcloud.com/negative1/sw-spanish-r3
excelente!
muchas gracias.
más tarde
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chuckyd777 said:
@ -1
this is the latin american dub i have been lookin for ages!
can you PLEASE upload these track, so we can use it for harmy 2.0
thanks in advance!
good to know..
however, we're not done with it yet!
also, it might have to be re-synched, since
it's not GOUT.
and finally, we have to replace 'han shoots greedo'
scene, because that's in english. we are hoping
to get an original from the voice actor that played
c3p0.
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Mavimao said:
Well, the issue with the X0 captures is that the GOUT had already come out when they were finally released, and had become rather irrelevant since the GOUT was a digital copy of the laserdisc master tape.
This is something completely different.
However, I also feel that a very small minority will REALLY want the raw captures. In this case, it should be relatively easy to post a hard drive.
Just sayin.
for an intermediate solution,
a 720p downsample using openEXR
might be a lot more manageable.
we're still messing around with the files.
but if that's a few hundred Gigs, that MIGHT
a lot more reasonable.
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TServo2049 said:
The film frame scans are bluish because 8mm projectors used tungsten lamps. When you project the print, it will look like it does in the photos taken off of the screen. (The colors in the pic of 3PO and R2 fall somewhere between Mike Verta's photo of the IB Technicolor print with the 70s projector bulb, and his photo of the same scene with a modern xenon bulb.)
IB Technicolor with 70s light source:
IB Technicolor with xenon light:
8mm print projected:
here's our take on it.
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ww12345 said:
I have to agree. I think that by as many people having the raw files as possible, that the "preservation factor" is the most it can be. It's like some of the studio audio files and bootlegs that leak occasionally; once they're out there, their rarity is diminished. Also, who would've thought even 5 or 6 years ago that a slightly large download would be 16gb? I think that as time goes on, the ability to download huge files will become more commonplace.
unfortunately here in america, the internet speeds are
pretty terrible. even 5 years from now. so that's not
going to change the fact about trying to get several terabytes
of data.
i HAD highspeed internet for the first time 3 years ago.
and have download 5 terabytes or so during that ENTIRE
time.
honestly, i wouldn't even download this if that was the
only way to get it. it's not worth the hassle, imagine
the headache of dealing with partial files, incomplete
files, PAR's etc.... i'm really thinking online is not
realistically going to be an option at all. someone else
will have to pick that up. i'm only going to be dealing
with just the possiblity of one hardware copy, and
that's it.
the thing is 3 people (including myself) already have it.
so we've backed each other up for redundancy. that's
all that we might need for the short term.
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jero32 said:
The 720p parts, is that a result of the capture resolution being too low? (the raw files) Or did you guys purposely scale it down that much because you felt higher wouldn't have brought out more detail in those shots?
that had nothing to do with it.
all work is being done for a 1080p release.
i just have some of it in 720p, because it was
quicker and smaller to preview. also some of it
was rendered with cleanup, and it was a lot
faster to do it for 720p.
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ok, watched the last couple of reels now!
they look great, especially the colors!
so now we have access to ALL the frames
in the movie..
will be posting some samples in the
color timing/cinematography thread:
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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Colortiming-Cinematography-was-What-changes-was-done-to-STAR-WARS-in-93/topic/9805/page/12/
check them out.
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Fantomas said:
Negative1, your posts are the best Star Wars stuff I find on the net since a long time ! Thanks a lot for that ! ;-)
thanks,
i fixed the aspect ratios on reel 5 change marks..
you should check out all the pictures posted by 'none'....
and by myscamore..
i only put up a very small amount..
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skyjedi2005 said:
Why is the blu ray still so shit then if ILM has access to such technologies as this. They could not even get the color right.
Sorry to derail the thread but Lucas has access to the best tech money wise its very strange the final product does not reflect it.
the irony (pointed out to me by cinch),
is they developed the technology we might be
using, to save their own film(s)!
and by the way, i think the blu-ray versions are
very good for what they are trying to do, especially
with all the extras and bonus material.
i'm amazed at all the detail and clarity in the pictures.
most of the colors seem pretty good to me to, but i'm
not really an expert.. just an average home watcher
that's used to the SE versions.
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none said:
Empire Strikes Back Uncut Trailer: http://www.starwarsuncut.com/
Go claim a scene.
i don't see any trailer for it. (unless that's all there
is to it).
just the full star wars uncut movie, with a box saying to sign up.
found one here though: https://vimeo.com/48227936
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getting ready for preview 0:
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1) All 6 reels completed in raw format
2) some of the reels have been slightly
color corrected
3) resolution is a minimum 720p, with a few
reels in 1080p
4) sound is a temporary Stereo soundtrack
synched up
5) watching in on 24" /1080p monitor, and will
rewatch on 2 other screens
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private clean up notes will follow,
but i will post general thoughts about it also..
this is a major milestone in the first preview,
and we will get to previews 1 and 2 later on
as the cleanup and color correction are done
on the reels.
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most of the cleanup has been done in order.
however, the original crawl , intro, and han
shoots first all need special attention and
will be dealt with separately in trying to
restore them to an acceptable state.
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remember, how did it go
with the X0/X9 raw releases.
i think only one or two people used
those to make anything out of it...
that's why i'm wondering in the end
if there will still be interest. it's going
to take a long time to copy on my end
also!
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Jan said:
Well, my largest upload was Harmy's Despecialized Edition Remastered MKV and I have quite a slow connection, so that's not really a reference. However, I've seen people uploading untouched BDs of a tv show season, which comes in at 200+ GB, with a speed of several MByte/sec.
So if you know somebody nearby with a fast fibre optical connection...
this is still several times that in size!
so unless someone wants to do this..
also, think of the end results.. i'm not trying
to dissuade people, but sharing it is going
to clutter up the newsgroup, and with the
end result of just a few people using it.
again, i mentioned pooling your resources,
sharing the costs, and shipping is probably
the only realistic way to go in the end.
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check your pm none...
will be getting you the SW 35mm spanish lpp end credits soon..
also could you add my versions to the first post for
the CED versions:
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1982 CED (Starkiller)
here's the soundtrack part:
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the ratings card,
last frame:
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thanks!
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Jan said:
Usenet? 100+ Mbit flats aren't too expensive for most providers and the better ones offer like 4 years of retention. If you released the rared raw images reel by reel archives shouldn't be too large, right? Of course it would take quite a long time to upload I can image.
that might be the best and only possible way.
however, someone is going to have dedicate a lot
of time and bandwidth to upload several terabytes.
has anyone had experience with anything at this level?
how did people deal with the wookiegroomer 1080p
releases way back when? those are the only huge
releases i can think of..
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AntcuFaalb said:
negative1 said:
looking further down the road..
the openEXR format may be the answer
to what we're looking at for the raw
images:
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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Project-release-formats-what-should-we-be-using-these-days/post/593146/#TopicPost593146
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Exciting! Access to the raw images would be a dream come true.
we still don't have a solid plan.. it's just way too much data
for most people to deal with.. buying drives, and shipping
drives is going to be expensive.. i'm lucky i was near the
people, and could just hand deliver most of the stuff..
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the last of the reel change
marks frames are up for reels 4, and 5:
reel 4
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reel 5
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that should just about wrap that up..
will work on the end credits next..
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ok, going back to reel 4 (this is all):
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here's the reel change marks
for reel 5... (hmm, did i skip reel 4?)
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jero32 said:
-1 Can I ask how you capture this audio? Are you just recording off a projection set up...or is there some other way? (optical scans?)
Also since I doubt the film doesnt have any sort of stretching, how do you plan on precisely matching it to the film footage?
it's from a projector.
we will sync the audio very carefully.
i'm not doing it, but will get cinch to
comment on it.. and post the answer here.
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