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Brooks said:

Asaki said:

NeverarGreat said:

...at least as long as Lucas stands in the way.

 Even if George himself said it was okay, there are many others who own the copyrights to the movie(s). If he ever released his preservation, his career would be in serious jeopardy.

Not to sound dumb, but who else owns the copyrights?  And why would his career be in jeapordy??

i would think 20th century fox.

anyways, you can't just go around dealing with copyrighted material

in this manner, and then releasing it when you're in the industry.

i'm sure he would be blacklisted and all sorts of legal repercussions.

since we're (mostly) anonymous in ours, we do have some risk.

but i'm willing to take it on. because this is too important an issue

for me..

most people have families, careers, and real life to worry about.

i don't have anything, or any of those to worry about..

i live in an empty vacuum. (with some air)..

so even if i get taken out, nobody else will get into trouble

i don't mind taking the hit.

besides, it's not like i have a martyr complex.

there's plenty of people on this board that

have taken grave risks to get material out,

and their own versions released, etc.

i just like finishing projects that i started. 

it's an OCD thing, i think.

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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

I too believe that the AVCHD is the most important release, because it is by far the HD format that most people can handle.  To appreciate Harmy's accomplishment you need HD, which means you need a blu-ray player.  And since most computers these days can burn DL disks, just about anyone who watches movies in HD can utilize the AVCHD to produce something better than the official SW BD.

In other words, the AVCHD has the best chance of going "viral", ending this destructive conflict, and bringing order to the galaxy.

that's a good point.

we haven't thought of making one for our version.

but it will definitely be considered..

then again, if you really want to experience ours in it's

full 1080p glory, maybe you WOULD want to limit it

to only the mkv, and bluray discs (although I CAN'T STAND

BLURAY players/discs etc.. i'm more of HD-DVD person myself)

ha ha

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Asaki said:

NeverarGreat said:

If you had two or more 35mm prints of a movie, both in poor condition (scratches, blurring), would it not be possible to scan both of them and merge the frames using an algorithm?

 Perhaps. But blending together a good condition print with a poor condition print doesn't sound like it would improve much =)

i've seen amazing things done with software out there..

 

ww12345 said:

-1, I think this has been said before, but I'm pretty sure your project has decimated the GOUT.

Allegedly, the word "decimate" means "to reduce by one tenth".

They're trying to ruin the English language >:(

 

well historically it mean destroy 1 out of 10 soldiers..

i think decimalate would be good for 1/10th reduction.. ha ha

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snicker said:

Negative1, I've been thinking about your comments a while back regarding the limited dynamic range in your main print due to fading. If the red print has better dynamic range you could set up luma difference mattes for keying (one each for shadows and highlights) and have the red print luma replace the other print in instances where it has better information. That is, darker shadows and lighter highlights. This would eliminate the need for expanding the luma range in your main print which will introduce banding (gaps in your histogram). This approach is non-destructive but would require the black and white points and gamma to first be adjusted correctly in the red print.

thanks for the thoughts,

i'll pass it onto the team..

they've got a lot of good ideas,

so thanks to everyone for the suggestions.

if we do use it, we'll definitely be creditting

people for them..

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snicker said:

Negative1, I've been thinking about your comments a while back regarding the limited dynamic range in your main print due to fading. If the red print has better dynamic range you could set up luma difference mattes for keying (one each for shadows and highlights) for each print and have the red print luma replace the other print in instances where it has better information. That is, darker shadows and lighter highlights. This would eliminate the need for expanding the luma range in your main print which will introduce banding (gaps in your histogram). This approach is non-destructive but would require the black and white points and gamma to first be adjusted correctly in the red print.

 

Edit: Would you prefer this comment reposted to your other thread?

yeah, anything technical should go over there.

thanks for the thoughts. i'll pass it on.

i can see people are going to have a lot fun playing

around with this release once it's done.. there's quite

a bit of leeway to alter it..

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TServo2049 said:

I will say that the framing of the Technicolor screening Mike Verta attended seems to have been about 10%.

If you could provide a full-size frame of this shot, I could figure out how much the Senator screening was cropped compared to the full film frame:

 

here's our version:

and here's the cropping comparison:

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jero32 said:

Almost makes me a little sad that the whole movie isn't being filmguarded. But I realise from a practical standpoint that'd be insane.

Well it looks great regardless, and it's nice that it's been "proven" you can make a really good scan out of 3rd generation prints, so Georgie is full of sh*** about not being able to. (rather he doesn't want to like some people said)

the heads and tails were the only parts on the LPP that

really needed working on..

as far as the red print i have, yeah, the whole thing would be

helped. but that was just a backup in case we needed it.

there could be a future project down the road with this,

but it's not being planned right now. we don't want to get

bogged down at this stage. and the need to get something

done and out is a lot more motivation.

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by the way,

did you guys notice any difference in the test clips

about the lack of cropping? those are full frame!

for more examples :

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Cropping-the-Original-Trilogy-35mm-vs-dvd-gout/topic/13945/

oh, and since you're here, you might else well

check this out:

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/cleaning-up-dirty-frames-for-scenes/post/595213/#TopicPost595213

and answer the question...

i don't want you to become all disillusioned and defeated

like skyjedi2005, mike o, and generalfrevious who think

we are fighting a losing battle, and will never get anywhere

(well at least with an official restoration - why would you

want to trust lucasfilm with doing one anyways, when they

haven't been able to prove they can do it in the past???)

why does it have to be official to make people believe it?

anyways... back to our regular daily scheduled postings..

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none said:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtjXdIjRQo5NdEkzYjVNcm5nWXFmWlZkTVhsZm5zSlE

The above spreadsheet, for the first 60k frames, takes the negative1 provided numbers and extrapolates/finds variations between the GOUT HK, then US, then UK releases, and recalculates the totals.  I used AVIDEMUX 2.5.4 on the mac and AVIDEMUX 2.5.6-1 on a PC.  (well only for the HK and they matched)  Please recommend other frame accurate programs to use to verify frame counts.  or let me know that avidemux suxxx ballz.  (for reasons unknown avidemux 2.6 on the PC dropped the frames for timebased values...)

How the spreadsheet works, first is the -1 data (start, count, end and description), then a numbered column and the values of the frame shift between the prior data and the new calculations.  Then have a column for the frame range, and brief description of when the new frame appears.  (gave up on these last two columns quickly)

Next comes 5 columns, the outside edges are spot verify (SV), where i'd verify that that frame was the first or last shot of that sequence, when it wasn't would drop in the number and track back until the numbers work.  The middle three columns are the start / end and the number of frames in the shot.  When a variation between the frame count of the shot occurs, that's got a box around it and the formula references the Shifting offset previously mentioned.

Unfortunately started with the R3 GOUT (Hong Kong) which doesn't match the US/UK GOUT.  But have the values and can work backwards.

So anyone have a frame accurate program to recommend to verify these numbers.  Guessing there's something between my avidemux process and -1's previous method which is returning the differences.

Was able to find some other initial errors, for instance a shot of R2 was 1000 frames too long (just a typo), and found a missing shot of Luke going to eat with Owen and Beru.

*EDIT*

oh -1 would you mind if I recommend this thread to be moved to the Theatrical vs SE forum, seems more in line which what's happening there now.

wow, good deal..

i actually suggest starting a new thread over there.. as i intended

this one to just be for GOUT NTSC version.. and maybe some other

notes on it, and not a general or SE thread... hmmm.. not sure..

it's up to you..

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here's the intial confrontation

with the stormtroopers..

pay attention to the smoke particles,

they don't look like this to me in any

version i've seen:

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https://vimeo.com/49334787

pw : OT

what do you guys think?

reference:

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Cropping-the-Original-Trilogy-35mm-vs-dvd-gout/post/566492/#TopicPost566492

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NeverarGreat said:

Hi negative1, I'm a lurker who just had to make an account for this topic.

 

These tests are excellent, and there are many people who see and appreciate them without commenting.

 

Keep up the amazing work, and if you're going to be making your efforts available only to those expressing interest, sign me up! (Don't know how that system works)

 

In any case, thank you for saving Star Wars!

for anyone new, please check out the details in the star wars 35mm

thread:

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/negative1-star-wars-1977-35mm-theatrical-version-release-details-and-updates/topic/14590/

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NeverarGreat said:

Just an idea that's probably been discussed elsewhere:

 

If you had two or more 35mm prints of a movie, both in poor condition (scratches, blurring), would it not be possible to scan both of them and merge the frames using an algorithm?

I'm thinking of something like the X0 project, so it would probably be time consuming in the extreme, but would this even be theoretically possible?

you might want to look into mike verta's project,

and also join his  starwarslegacy.com site.

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/StarWarsLegacy-com-The-Official-Thread/topic/1418/

*edit great minds think alike.

- none, you need to check and respond to the

pm's, have some news for you

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lpd said:

jero32 said:

I"m definitely checking them out, I just didn't want to keep posting the same OMG THATS AWESOME over and over again.

^Exactly. My major thoughts when watching these is that with all their flaws and imperfections its nice to see it looking like film again. As with puggo's preservations its very nostalgic to see film like contrast and depth to the picture.

How much smoother, jumpy wise are the further corrections Neg?

you have to remember, these are just 

unfinished versions coming off the red test reel..

the real corrections done to the LPP are night

and day in stability, color, and clean up..

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Dunedain said:

Great news. :) What's the word from the team members on how much filmguard has helped with providing the cleanest possible scans of the film to work with?

i don't have a list or set of samples yet.

but i know that what they said for some of

the scenes that they redid turned out great!

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Brooks said:

jero32 said:

I"m definitely checking them out, I just didn't want to keep posting the same OMG THATS AWESOME over and over again.

My thoughts exactly.  We're definitely checking them out.  I don't know if vimeo offers view statistics?  I bet they're pretty high.

I'm impressed by the detail, like how you can see Leia's stray hairs in the Leia acting like a princess clip!

yes, it does have stats..

most people are looking at the crawl!

i'm curious, not to take away from this,

but don't the dvd's and blurays have that much or more detail?

i've watched both on those formats, and those seemed

pretty darn detailed to me too!!

or are you saying that the detail in the 720p transfer from

the 35mm is better than you thought? because the 1080p

version is way better!

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feel free to add comments..

that's what they're there for...

i don't see other people holding

back for other projects! ha ha

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Asaki said:

No, there is another...

beat me to it!  haha

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Asaki said:

I've watched a few of them, but obviously the stuff from the reel you won't be using isn't as interesting as the real deal B)

No puns, please.

you'd be surprised at how much 

you can learn from watching and

working with them..

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skyjedi2005 said:

Wonder why MKV is not supported?

 

What about on the PS3?

My 360 will play any dvd as long as it is region 0 or 1 or any mixed media disc as long as it is AVI.

mkv is just a container,

if it has the right video format inside of that..

you can extract it (with tsmuxer) and put it

in an AVI, otherwise if it's another format you

would have to convert it..

don't own a ps3 (and never will SONY!)...

so can't help you there..

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more  test shots cleaned up from

the red test reel:

the conclusion of the trash compactor scene:

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https://vimeo.com/49303294

pw: OT

ben deactivates the tractor beam and leia

acts like a princess:

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https://vimeo.com/49303544

pw: OT

is anyone checking these out?

i've posted quite a few lately,

but haven't heard anyone say anything.....

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..............

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guiser said:

negative1 said:

just watched your version on a bigscreen tv yesterday,

it matched our's pretty closely also... for some reason

watching it on a tv with different settings was quite

different from viewing it on a monitor....

 

i'm used to watching almost all my videos on monitors,

so it's just a matter of setting your color preferences

to match what you think is right.

 

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I wonder, do you think this has something to do with the differences in output range between TVs and computers?

that, and the colorspace..

but mostly the gamma settings are different for 

those devices..

also, once harmy tweaks the scene (or scenes),

it will match even more closely with the 

reference shots..

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received word from the team

that is working on the cleanups..

they are working on the first half

of the film.. so hopefully i'll be getting

some previews of that to report on..

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just wanted to let you guys know..

thanks for all the offers for help and hardware.

actually the team is doing all the hard work on

their machines.. i just use mine for previewing.

=================================

both team members are getting either a major

hardware upgrade/ram/video and more hard

drives to handle these tasks..

remember, our philosophy is that we will NEVER

ask for one cent from anyone for any of this.. or

to fund the costs, travel, or support... that's the

point, we'll take care of it, so you don't have to

worry about it..

the work is going at a linear pace, so there's

no easy way to speed things up, and why would

we want to? it's the attention to detail and care

that need to be done that way to ensure its done

to the best of our abilities...

hang in there, there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

It's done, and right now I'm trying to secure it so it doesn't accidentally get distributed.  But darn it, I seem to have misplaced a copy.  I hope it didn't end up in the wrong hands...

yeah,

we wouldn't want that to happen now,

would we.

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Baronlando said:

Except having a preferred version for me to personally watch at home is only one aspect.  (It's a big thing obviously but not everything.) If I had my private screening room and a flawless 70mm print that would be awesome for me and I would share it any way I could. But, separately from that, this other issue still exists where, if you are rich enough, you can alter what kids think the 70s and 80s looked like. (and  a lot of adults too). Ponder that for a second, it's just...creepy.

maybe you should meet up with steve hoffman

and go check out his friends 70mm:

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http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/archive/index.php/t-141011.htm

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