To clarify, when I say an Adywan style edit......I mean only to color correct the film, and match the new color corrected picture from the sharper new version, with the sound from the old version.....no new effects or animation added or anything like that
Jaitea said:
pity they didn't do the whole Death Star battle as it jumps from obvious models to obvious CG, nothing seamless.
Yup Adywan did what GL and ILM SHOULD have done....I hope whoever is ultimately responsible for the SE's and 2004 DVD's has seen Revisited and feels like a total jackass
steagle said:
The only thing I was not a fan of was the inclusion of the SE CG footage in Mos Eisley
Yeah, I had hope just a little bit more of that would be dropped....mostly just the opening Mos Eisley shot with the scurriers, and the frog-ish hookah smoking alien thing and the elephant lookin alien that replaced the wolf man. I was fine with the rest of the CG
adywan said:
would you be working with The PAL or the NTSC?
NTSC
adywan said:
Well let's just wipe the slate clean and start again.
I think there should be a way of adding a new audio track and an edited video track and keep the menus and all the other stuff on the DVD-9. What version of the DVD-9 would you be working with ?The PAL or the NTSC?
I agree, and once again, I apologize for flying off the handle. My initial response was made in haste.
It now depends on who will be helping me with this edit. I'll find out and get back to you.
TV's Frink said:
It's not gang or sheep mentality, muddy. All I can do is weigh what I know of you and ady, and what I read in this thread. What I've read is that you've been hassling adywan. Perhaps that's not correct and if I've jumped to an incorrect conclusion I owe you an apology. But that's not what I'm seeing so far.
Hassling and harassing imply that I was sending negatively worded messages his way, which is not the case. It definitely DOES seem like I sent him too many messages. And it WOULD seem that I have been over-enthusiastic in my attempted communication with Adywan, which some may view as another form of harassment, but that was in no way my intent or desire. My comments regardling gang mentality were addressed to those who feel the need to chime in and "hassle" me due to a disagreement that I am having with someone other than themselves.....much like the person in the street who goes and stands at the edge of a crowd watching a fight, starts egging the fighters on, and picks the one thats more popular or more likely to win as his/her favorite to cheer for and side with. I understand that everyone is entitled to an opinion, but I dont think that people always need to "pick a side"
ray_afraid said:
I think everyone should take a deep breath and calm down. So Muddy annoyed someone. Big Deal. He apologized even. It's not like he slashed our collective tires and put gum in our hair.
LOL, its quite normal Ray....gang mentality. Adywan is the clear favorite (and for good reason) and has quite the cult following. I'm just the new guy, AND very unfamilliar with forums in general. Theres no way I'm gonna come out ahead, and thats to be expected.
ChainsawAsh said:
Sorry, Muddy. I was considering it, but after all this B.S., I'm definitely not doing this for you. You're on your own.
LOL, yeah, expected this. Bloody sheep.....a completely unrelated disagreement between myself and Adywan which we are currently in the midst of working out and you're wanting to drop all ties to me. I didn't eat his first-born....we had an argument....get over yourself.
TV's Frink said:
And by the way, muddy, sending your sympathy does not then give you full go-ahead to bother or harass someone.
It was in no way harassment....legitimate questions about his work. Pardon me for being enthusiastic.
adywan said:
All i said that i had already answered everything you needed. Then you come back with really rude remarks. I wasn't being funny or anything i just answered a question. You say you knew about what is going on in my life at the moment, yet you bombarded me with emails which all weren't about this thread at all, one was asking about my plans for boba fett in ROTJ:R.
You say you knew about my situation so i gather you read this in the ESB:R thread. So why be such an ass by saying that "my time must be too valuable" to answer your questions, when i already had? And then you wonder why i snapped back at you? A comment like that is one of the most insensitive things i have heard. Of course my time is too valuable. I'm having to take care of my 80 year old dad who has just found out he has cancer only 8 months after my mum died. I may have been a bit harsh with my reply and for that i apologize, but i'm with all the things that i'm having to juggle at the moment i'm getting about 3 hours sleep a night and then i read your reply and i just snapped. I had helped you and told you what you needed to know but i guess that just wasn't enough for you.My retaliation was purely down to your smart alec comment, which now looks even worse since you did in fact know why i'm so busy at the moment when you wrote that.
muddyknees2000 said:
Apparently fans of your work can and should remain silent fans of your work. Now I know.That's the biggest load of bull i have heard. I try to help out when i can when people have asked for it and also try and reply to every emails, PM and you should know that because of the amount of times you sent me messages over on youtube, and i answered them. I had never been rude towards you and my reply about the information was not a rude post and just a statement, but you took it completely the wrong way.
Yes, you're right, I was a bit of a smart ass when responding to your answer, without thinking of everything you're going through at the moment. And yes, I've sent you a few PM's concerning different stuff (all of it because I was hoping to maybe help you out on this project) (specifically the boba fett question.....I happen to own a full boba fett costume, I work in film, have access to a RED camera and green screen stages)
As I said, I was still a little confused on a certain issue, and since I had perused the forums somewhat and seen that you seem to enjoy helping people out, I never thought twice about PMing you and asking you to clarify it for me. Apparently it was one PM too many and for that I apologize. I WILL point out however that my question would have taken 1/10 the time to answer as this entire exchange has taken and wasted alot less of your time. It was never my intent to be a pain in the ass, I was merely excited about your edit which I've only recently discovered (and star wars fan edits in general) (had no idea any of this existed). I'll not be bothering you again.
adywan said:
muddyknees2000 said:
adywan said:
Muddyknees2000, there is no need to keep sending me multiple PM's as i have answered everything you wanted to know already in this thread.
well pardon me, I was still a little confused about a certain matter, which is why I was looking for clarification from the source, but apparently your time is too valuable. I guess I had mistaken your presence on a forum based website as a willingness or desire to answer questions and participate in discussions.
Maybe you should find out why i just haven't got the time to answer all these questions before you start being a dick. I fuckin help people out all the time but i have more important things to worry about at the moment than an edit i had finished with a long time ago. I even gave you pointers as to what you would need to do to be able to accomplish your goal. But i guess you want everything done for you. You picked completely the wrong time to be such an asshole towards me. I was actually going to take some time out to produce a new audio track that you could use and then all you would need to do is replace the one shot of Obi-Wan's slowed down cloak. But sod it. You're on your own.
I've heard all about your health issues, and the situation with your father, and in any of the PM's I sent you the first things I said were usually something along the lines of "hope everyone is well" or some other thought for you or your family. I had also, on several occaisions thanked you for your wonderful new edits and for bringing these movies back to life for me (and surely for many other fans as well). I've been nothing but polite and grateful. You specifically stated that you wanted nothing to do with this new edit and that we were on our own, which is fine....as no-one can tell you what to do with your time but YOU. So, I wanted a few simple issues cleared up before proceding (hell, I even asked for your blessing in moving ahead with this project.....which since its owned by lucasfilm I don't have to do, but did anyways, just to be polite) Do you understand that you've re-awoken passion for something that many had given up as a lost cause.......do you understand that you have grateful fans? Also, in the world of star wars re-edits you seem to be a sort of patriarch, with your edit being among the most popular......so I think its quite natural that you are going to inspire at least a few people to follow in your footsteps and make a version of this film that they've always wanted to see. Also, as previously stated, you're on a forum based website.....questions and discussion are what goes on here. Theres always the option of shutting off PM's if you dont want to receive them. Anyways, I apologize for disturbing you....I'm not looking for this to turn into a flame war.....I find your use of language somewhat unfortunate, but whats said is said. Apparently fans of your work can and should remain silent fans of your work. Now I know.
ChainsawAsh said:
Oh, and I don't have the Purist Edition.
I'm working on getting copies of all the different versions, I can easily send them to you once I have them all. The new issue that has now been brought up though....is there no way to do this and keep the DVD menus?
adywan said:
Muddyknees2000, there is no need to keep sending me multiple PM's as i have answered everything you wanted to know already in this thread.
well pardon me, I was still a little confused about a certain matter, which is why I was looking for clarification from the source, but apparently your time is too valuable. I guess I had mistaken your presence on a forum based website as a willingness or desire to answer questions and participate in discussions.
ChainsawAsh said:
I could do it, but it'd end up being 2.0 stereo in the end.
Why the loss of 5.1?
ChainsawAsh said:
The Purist version is Adywan's visual edit without the music. The only difference, if I recall, is the slow-motion stuff added to Revisited when/just after Obi-Wan is killed.
ah, see I had understood that the OLD lightsaber fight was back as well as the original sound in purist. I've had difficulty in getting anyone with both copies to explain the differences between the 2....I've been trying to find someone to make copies for me, but so far no luck.
So lets see if I've got this straight.....Purist has the faster paced battle, but no added prequel music......and NO slowdown at Ben's death?
Akwat Kbrana said:
muddyknees2000 said:
Seems that the problem would be in keeping the new duel, and its sounds, but in removing the new music and possibly the slowdown of Ben's death.....between the 2004 DVD, Revisited, and Purist.....does anyone think they have the know how to pull this off? (after that, restoring the conference room audio should be a piece of cake)
I think the fix is simpler than you're envisioning it. If I understand the problem rightly, all you'd need to do is use ANH:R as a base, then replace the entire duel scene with the video + audio from Purist...unless I'm missing something.
If this is a project you'd like to undertake, then I direct you to this guide. It will teach you all that you need to know.
Seriously, what you're proposing is neither difficult nor time-consuming. Assuming you've got the necessary software (basically, DVDDecrypter and Womble MPEG Video Wizard) and both the Revisited and Purist DVDs of this movie, it should be a cinch. Most of the time investment would constitute actual ripping of the elements and rendering the final project; as far as editing time itself is concerned, we're talking 5-10 minutes max. As far the conference room audio, that could easily be accomplished in Audacity 1.3, which allows 5.1 AC3 editing. (I'm assuming Ady didn't include any audio bleed of the music into the center channel.)
Not sure that its going to be THAT simple.....at least not for the duel. Problem is, the one I see in MY head has Adywan's visual edit, but not the music he's added.......unfortunately I think he's gone and edited the audio for the lightsaber battle to match his improved visual....I probably couldn't use the audio from the purist, nor the 2004 because the lightsaber hits and swings probably wouldn't match Adywan's faster paced battle....so how would I separate one audio element that I like, from one that I dont?
You seem like you know at least a little about this. Would you be at all interested in helping out?
TV's Frink said:
When you want things that specific it's difficult to find someone willing to do it. Your best bet is to learn how yourself.
Got someone interested already.....
Seems that the problem would be in keeping the new duel, and its sounds, but in removing the new music and possibly the slowdown of Ben's death.....between the 2004 DVD, Revisited, and Purist.....does anyone think they have the know how to pull this off? (after that, restoring the conference room audio should be a piece of cake)
ok, I saw it once, but now can no longer find it....can anyone point the way to the step by step instructions to burning the DVD-9 onto a disc so that I can chuck out my old 2004 DVD.....
...and any tips, pointers, or suggestions would be appreciated as well
TheBoost said:
muddyknees2000 said:
I just dont think that the expectations that this will meet with the same success as Adywan's OT Revisited are all that realistic.
Let's say that Ady's efforts result in a categorical increase in watchability equal to 'n'
ANH:SE x n = ANH:R
TPM x n = TPM:R
Just because ANH:SE > TPM and therefore ANH:R > TPM:R doesn't mean that TPM:R <\= TPM.
I'll take a 'n' increase in the PT over those films as they stand anyday, especially ROTS, which I don't think has ever had a great edit.
yup, as I said....Revisited PT WILL be better.....I just have doubts that it can be made into something I would deem as "good" or "enjoyable". Although I just finished listening to a radio interview with Adywan on youtube (think it was quite old so not sure how much of this is still relevant) where he talks about making some MAJOR changes to the story. He only goes into detail about one of them, but its something I have complained about myself and agree with whole heartedly....so we will see
adywan said:
muddyknees2000 said:
Adywan, would you be willing to supply the needed audio and video to someone capable of doing this?
It's already available. I only have the same DVDs that are on the net. The original files are all gone.
Alright, once again thanks very much for all your hard work. You are bringing these movies back to life for legions of fans. I myself work in film, and am very familiar with photoshop....if ever you need a hand with anything feel free to ask, I'd be more than happy to donate time to the cause.
Ok, so there it is......we need someone who has copies of all the necessary versions to be able to make this slight tweak to Revisited.......who's got?
adywan said:
If you wanted to do this then you would have to re-edit both the video and audio. You would also need to add a music fadeout at the start of the conference scene because the original and new music do not match and you would have a very jarring cut or just use the purist cut down version of the reveal with the original music.
If someone wants to do it then fair enough but i won't be having anything to do with it or offering any help because i have too much on my plate at the moment and i need to finish ESB:R as soon as i can
Adywan, would you be willing to supply the needed audio and video to someone capable of doing this?
mrbenja0618 said:
adywan said:
There will always be bits that people don't like in any movie. If i tried to do an edit that would suit everyone then there would be thousands of different versions of ANH:R out there.
If someone wants to do it then fair enough but i won't be having anything to do with it or offering any help because i have too much on my plate at the moment and i need to finish ESB:R as soon as i can
This is why I always say if you don't like it, edit it yourself.
which is what we're trying to do here
The problem with an edit is it uses material already shot for the movie, and for the most part does not make new material (I understand Adywan DOES in fact make additions, but for the most part they're small and flow well with whats already created)......and the problem with the PT is not that Lucas didn't do what he did well......its that he didn't do what he should have. Instead of making the fall of Anakin Skywalker a character based story, its one long action set piece....all 3 bloody movies. Its just Lucas going "hey check this out" and "hey, look what I can do" and "how cool does THIS look?", over and over and OVER. Not only does he not make any convincing attempt to link the look and feel of the PT to the OT, but he blatantly disregards previously created story elements or plot points (ie: "...there you will learn from Yoda, the jedi master who instructed me"). He even goes as far as doing the same thing within the same trilogy (ie: the sneak peek at Aura Sing, the new episode 2 bounty hunter....who mysteriously never showed up again) (although it could be argued that it was just a marketing ploy to sell some toys). So You can't really improve the story in a movie that barely has one. What made the OT great was that it was so many different genres, well mixed to look like it was only one. It was a sci/fi, fantasy, western woven into a family drama. The PT is sci/fi and thats it.....and it even tries to go back and retroactively kill some of the other genres from the OT....I mean, midi-clorians....wtf?
I'm not saying it shouldn't be tried.....I just dont think that the expectations that this will meet with the same success as Adywan's OT Revisited are all that realistic. The OT Revisited is an excellent trilogy, receiving a few much needed tweaks....the PT is a hopeless mess, that CAN be made better, but that IMHO I don't think can be made good. Those who already liked it will like it more, but I don't think the haters are going to convert because for the most part I dont think they agree with the trilogy Lucas decided to make. I would most sincerely like for Adywan to prove me wrong, I really would........time will tell
I dont have the software, nor the knowledge to pull off a new edit. Is there anyone out there who would be willing to take on such an edit?