None, you who are interested in unintended objects appearing on the transfers might find this funny or interesting:
What did those dirty fingers do on our Star Wars! we should track down this person. ;) The fingerprint appears on the Special Collection LD transfer.
frank678 said:
I never would have spotted this, has it had a noticable effect on the compositional flow of the sequences now you watch it over again or is it more a semi-conscious thing?
Judge for yourself: http://www.sendspace.com/file/3skuge
It's from when the distortion first appears, now corrected.
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It does make a difference in that it makes objects that should be circle-shaped appear circle-shaped instead of being egg-shaped etc, the difference is actually big enough that you can also notice it on the faces of the actors sometimes, at least on a direct comparison.
I believe the AC-3 track on my SWE disc was at 256kbps, maybe good to know if you remux it with another track, don't remember if it worked for me but I think it's possible to go with a 448kbps track if you want to.
An example of the incorrect aspect ratio.
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Save and toggle between them to make it easier to see the difference. About two thirds of Side 2 and the end of Side 1 had this vertically stretched picture. It was quite easy to see when it happened as the otherwise quite severe cropping on this transfer gets about equal to how the GOUT or the 2004 DVD transfers were cropped.
I must also agree that what he said in the article was a little too harsh on Hamill's acting ability, but I can sort of see where he's coming from, with the risk of being attacked now, IMO Hamill's performance in Star Wars was kind of mediocre but I definitely don't blame Hamill for it, the lines and the directing is probably the reason for most of it as he delivered a damn solid performance in Empire, truly underrated.
I also think what the writer of the article tried to convey, is that not every single element of that film was completely perfect but it worked beautifully anyway, something Lucas will never understand. The film is just becoming more and more unfinished every time he tinkers with it.
What about the one sheet Tom Jung artwork you're using on your sister site, could minor things like that also mean trouble if the copyright owners really wanted to make things hard for you?
EDIT: Of course, as it's the property of Fox and Lucasfilm, don't ask me what I was thinking.
zombie84 said:
Blackenstein.
That is a bold choice, most people would've chosen Blacula over Blackenstein. ;)
Either A Clockwork Orange or Apocalypse Now, I can't decide.
Nice and interesting article, really need to read that Brackett draft, only read parts of it yet.
Nellith... like that name, when I think of what could've been, I still have a very hard time to visualize sequels with a sister as a Jedi Knight and it being good, call me odd but the whole twin story concept have always sounded a little bit corny to me, but I guess it all depends on the execution of it, I definitely think it would've been far better than what we got. That Lucas made Leia his sister in Jedi is one of the most stupid story decisions he ever made.
About your site, I can understand that you would like to make a re-design of it to make things more exciting as it looks kind of plain now, but I actually like it in a way, gives a serious impression IMO.
Had the original scene been included in the '77 film, Declan Mulholland would probably just been dubbed by another actor. Would be nice to have the complete original deleted scene in good quality, as Ford's performance in that scene is quite good.
zombie84 said:
I dont really agree with his criticism of either trilogies, I was more impressed by his dose of reality: the 35th anniversary of Star Wars is really the 15th anniversary of the SE. Star Wars never had a 35th anniversary because it died at age 19.
Not even that, even though we try to forget, we all remember this fella:
Not only a weak and completely unnecessary scene but probably one of the worst CGI creations ever put on film. The current Star Wars is actually only a few months old.
Recently noticed that this transfer have an incorrect aspect ratio in places, it seems like this wasn't that unusual back in the early days of widescreen transfers, noticed this on the NTSC LD's of THX 1138 as well. Haven't located exactly where this sligthly distorted aspect ratio starts and ends, but it's present at the end of Side 1 and at the start of Side 2, the picture is quite clearly vertically stretched. First noticed it on the scenes in Ben's hut, will need to eyeballing it against the 2004 DVD. Another reason to redo this one...
EDIT: Well, I've found out that it is at least a pattern to it, only some reels are in the wrong aspect ratio.
2nd EDIT: Good news, was able to locate all the parts in the transfer with an incorrect AR.
SilverWook said:
I came across an interesting bit of history on Raider's original sound mix over at the LDDB forum, but I think you have to be registered there to be able to access it.
You mean this? http://forum.lddb.com/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1296
"Raiders sound was mixed to be played in the VistaSonic Sound system that Paramount had previously used on Popeye and Dragonslayer. Unlike Dolby Stereo that used a matrix to encode 4 channels to 2 optical tracks, VistaSonic used 4 discrete optical tracks in the place of the normal 2. Since they were much smaller tracks, they were noisier, so a noise reduction system was used to improve fidelity. Stereo surrounds could also be employed by use of the SQ Quadraphonic matrix system - the stereo surrounds were encoded onto the Left and Right front channels with SQ - the discrete mono surround track then wasn't used. The playback head used a CCD based reader instead of a photodetector to keep the tracks and their phase response aligned better. The system was invented by Terry Beard who is also the inventor of the theatrical DTS system - while he owned NuOptix, a company that built much of the equipment used to record optical soundtracks, he also worked for Paramount's sound department as a technician in charge of research. There were many problems with VistaSonic during the Popeye and Dragonslayer showings (it had to be turned off during Popeye's premiere at the Chineese theater), so Raiders was switched to Dolby Stereo at the last minute - some minor remixing had to be done to accommodate the limitations of the Dolby logic decoding. The 70mm prints used the 4-track discrete VistaSonic mix unaltered except for the addition of Baby Boom subs. The DVD's 5.1 mix is the original VistaSonic mix so it's slightly different than the Dolby Stereo mix used on LaserDisc. The VistaSonic system was never used again - it had a nice logo though."
The plot thickens...
The transfer on the "Faces" VHS and LD release have the 1981 re-release opening crawl, the 2006 Bonus DVD (GOUT) have the '77 opening crawl, otherwise they are more or less identical apart from some mastering differences. The VHS and LD transfers displays more vertical detail due to extremely poor mastering of the DVD.
Yeah, exactly my thoughts as well. :)
http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/06/25/indiana-jones-blu-ray-collection-gets-a-release-date-and-pre-order
"Supervised by director Steven Spielberg and renowned sound designer Ben Burtt, Raiders of the Lost Ark has been meticulously restored with careful attention to preserving the original look, sound and feel of the iconic film. The original negative was first scanned at 4K and then examined frame-by-frame so that any damage could be repaired.
The sound design was similarly preserved using Burtt’s original master mix, which had been archived and unused since 1981. New stereo surrounds were created using the original music tracks and original effects recorded in stereo but used previously only in mono. In addition, the sub bass was redone entirely up to modern specifications and care was taken to improve dialogue and correct small technical flaws to create the most complete and highest quality version of the sound possible while retaining the director’s vision. The result is an impeccable digital restoration that celebrates the film and its place in cinematic history."
TServo2049 said:
Actually, *this* is the Fox fanfare that showed up on the early VHS/Beta releases: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pH77XBlvMo0
If there is an incorrect fanfare on any releases with the '77 stereo mix, I am assuming it's this one.
Oops, sorry. Thought it was the Williams recording they had used on those, thanks for clarifying that.
I played around with the 16mm footage today to see if I could get it to look somewhat acceptable, here's my result on "The Lost Scene." http://www.sendspace.com/file/twyqdo
Let me know what you think. Ignore the audio, at the moment I don't know what the heck is causing it to get out of sync!
Before
After
I'm afraid there's not that much color left to work with but I do think it's watchable in this state, maybe Puggo or someone else with more experience than me when it comes to color correcting could get it to look even better for an eventual "grindhouse DVD."
The original 1954 FOX-fanfare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVaB70jM5HQ
The re-recording: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWhW-icR1eo&feature=relmfu
Have no idea if there's an easy way to identify the different pressings of the 1130-84, their jackets should be identical as I understand it.
The US CAV disc (1130-84) have been pointed out to include the updated fanfare, that's why Belbucus had to patch it from another source as Mallwalker said.
Your Japanese copy (PILF-1236) seems to have the same issue but you say that you have patched the original fanfare from the US CAV disc (1130-84), hence the confusion.
The only explanation I can think of is what I tried to describe here: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Digital-Source-for-the-77-Stereo-Mix/post/581659/#TopicPost581659
Different fanfare on different pressings of the (1130-84).
This is great schorman! So have you been able to determine if your US CAV disc (1130-84) is the '92 re-issue or the '85 release? Curious.
I guess it's possible that the amount of crosstalk can vary between different discs of this pressing, maybe some players are even able to handle it better than others? What I think is a little odd is that it appeared so random. Another thing that made me more certain that it was a disc mastering defect and not player related, is that the same thing was seen on two different players, same model though.
1990osu said:
SW: Do you think we’ll ever get the original trilogy and the prequels without any changes on Blu-ray, or is it never gonna happen?
McCallum: I would have to answer that officially it’s never gonna happen, but you never know with George. It’s one of the constant things that—let’s put it this way, it changes always. You never know.
SW: Yeah I mean personally, as I’ve said many times on the site I have no problems with George changing the films, I just think it would be great if he would release the originals and that way everyone could have it, but that’s just me.
McCallum: I know, but I understand that completely. It’s just a question I can’t answer. Obviously I have my own personal feelings, I hope that he does it, but I don’t have major arguments with him about it. I think that’s a decision he has to come to on his own as time comes by.
"If he released them, that way everyone could have it." Never thought about it like that before... that's brilliant. ;) Seriously though, it doesn't get more clear than this, McCallum says exactly how it is compared to the excuses we hear from Lucas from time to time. He says that officially it's never going to happen, if only Lucas could be as sincere.
Darth Mallwalker said:
Of course not!
Neither have I given up the idea of finishing it.
I guess I asked an completely unnecessary question then. :)
skyjedi2005 said:
Even though its been pointed out that the star wars technidisc is a different print source and telecine job.
And Empire as well going by the copy Aluminum Falcon has.
If you refer to his Mitsubishi pressing of ESB, it's not yet been pointed out to be a different print source or telecine, a comparison needs to be done first.
none said:
Here are some comparison pics of some of the random things which show up in PS78. First up a few shared by PS78 and mthr:
Blue object on far upper right:
frame rip like object just above windshield
the white mark (hamill)
Those three marks above aren't something unique to Moth3r's and this bootleg, they are present on both IP's we know of as well. Just thought I would point it out in case you didn't know about it. Haven't had time to watch this one myself yet, the screengrabs look great, the tape seems to be in pretty decent shape. Thanks for sharing! :)
Treadwell said:
I believe this shot is near a reel change, too, so end-of- or beginning-of-reel damage could account for the sound and picture glitches on this occasion.
No, this shot is the first shot in the film after the opening flyover sequence, I think you mistook it for the later transitional shot to Tatooine, I recall the audio was a little wonky around that point in the older releases. Might sound that way due to the frames that went missing there.
