moviefreakedmind

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

It also makes no sense that there would be over 4000 religions in the world, and god expects us to believe the testimony from one of them while discounting the testimony from the other 3999 – especially when most people in the world are guaranteed to not have even been exposed to that one or its adherents’ testimony.

the testimony ultimately boils down to “I believe in God because he’s been good to me before.”

Actually, no. At least not for me.

Do you care to elaborate?

I’m not sure giving my testimony here would be helpful. It is not my intent to give it only to be shot down. I get the feeling that those present do not find me credible and will not find me credible, and that no amount of testimony on my part will increase that credibility. So I’m not sure it will do any good on my part to elaborate.

In short, I’m not sure you guys would believe me anyway.

I’m not really interesting in shooting anything down, I’m curious because you shot me down and said that your experienced transcended merely a beneficial act of God.

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

It also makes no sense that there would be over 4000 religions in the world, and god expects us to believe the testimony from one of them while discounting the testimony from the other 3999 – especially when most people in the world are guaranteed to not have even been exposed to that one or its adherents’ testimony.

the testimony ultimately boils down to “I believe in God because he’s been good to me before.”

Actually, no. At least not for me.

Do you care to elaborate? Also, if you believe that faith in God is necessary for admittance into heaven, then him revealing himself to you does ultimately boil down to “he’s been good to me before,” at least a little bit.

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

It also makes no sense that there would be over 4000 religions in the world, and god expects us to believe the testimony from one of them while discounting the testimony from the other 3999 – especially when most people in the world are guaranteed to not have even been exposed to that one or its adherents’ testimony.

It’s also frustrating because the testimony ultimately boils down to “I believe in God because he’s been good to me before.” God, if he exists, hasn’t been good to a lot of people so why should I appreciate him because he singled out someone to bring joy and happiness to?

I appreciate civility and decency, but respect is earned never given. A lot of people conflate respect with civility and decency.

Even if they are illegally monitoring you, they can’t use any of it as evidence in court. That’s why they don’t bother. Unless you’re a suspected terrorist, in which case they can do whatever they want to you unfortunately, you’re safe from local, state, and federal law enforcement unless they have a warrant.

For as much as I complain about everything, I like to think that my complaints about Star Wars movies I don’t like are pretty few and far between and are pretty fair, especially for me.

I never said anything was fact.

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

chyron8472 said:
Assuming there are no ghosts just because you can’t recreate your experiences in a lab doesn’t make it fact that there are no ghosts.

I’m going to need some explanation here because this sentence is confusing me.

You say you have experiences with ghosts. You say it may not have been ghosts. To say it was not ghosts, is not “fact” just because you can’t prove in a lab that it was ghosts. Science is content with saying “I don’t know”. Science doesn’t say “No, because you can’t prove yes.”

It would be much closer to fact and reality to blame my ghost sightings on paranoia or mental illness than it would be to assume or even consider the possibility that they were real ghosts that were harassing me.

You don’t know that. You can’t verify that.

No, but it is obviously the healthy and sensical conclusion to draw. Wouldn’t you say?

It is not a fact that there is no God. The “fact” is you don’t know.

And also that there is no evidence for God. Not counting personal experiences of divine intervention.

There is evidence. What evidence you accept is your choice. It doesn’t make testimony not evidence.

I guess so, but eyewitness testimony is the weakest evidence of all.

You believe there is not. I believe that there is. Neither is fact.

No, but the rationale behind those beliefs are not equivalent.

It doesn’t have to be equivalent. And your rationale is not closer to objectivity by default of me not proving mine.

It’s a little closer at least.

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

chyron8472 said:
Assuming there are no ghosts just because you can’t recreate your experiences in a lab doesn’t make it fact that there are no ghosts.

I’m going to need some explanation here because this sentence is confusing me.

You say you have experiences with ghosts. You say it may not have been ghosts. To say it was not ghosts, is not “fact” just because you can’t prove in a lab that it was ghosts. Science is content with saying “I don’t know”. Science doesn’t say “No, because you can’t prove yes.”

It would be much closer to fact and reality to blame my ghost sightings on paranoia or mental illness than it would be to assume or even consider the possibility that they were real ghosts that were harassing me.

It is not a fact that there is no God. The “fact” is you don’t know.

And also that there is no evidence for God. Not counting personal experiences of divine intervention.

You believe there is not. I believe that there is. Neither is fact.

No, but the rationale behind those beliefs are not equivalent.

oojason said:
AFAIK Jay is the only one to have access to his email address (maybe the FBI & DHS too 😉)

Not the FBI, just the NSA. The FBI needs a warrant to investigate anybody’s personal accounts or residences.

chyron8472 said:
Assuming there are no ghosts just because you can’t recreate your experiences in a lab doesn’t make it fact that there are no ghosts.

I’m going to need some explanation here because this sentence is confusing me.

There are people that have seen aliens. They seen em with their own two eyes. I don’t get why religious (namely Christian) testimony is expected to be taken seriously and literally in these matters.

Ryan-SWI said:

Australian here. It’s printed. Don’t even get me started.

Our nanny state of a Government decided about a decade ago that huge ass ugly ratings on the front of every form of home media would ‘better today’s youth.’

Plot twist: It didn’t.

Fortunately in the United States, for all of our problems, the government is extremely limited in regulating any kind of art, especially literature, photography, and any kind of painting, sculpture, or poster. Basically, as long as a photograph or video isn’t depicting an actual minor engaging in a sex act, or the work isn’t violating copyright law, Uncle Sam can’t regulate it or demand its alteration.

Gross. I’m glad I don’t live in Australia.

ray_afraid said:

chyron8472 said:

It’s an issue of credibility of the witness, not scientific verifiability.

I disagree completely.

Same.

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I’d appreciate not being expected to think of your personal experiences as objective fact for everyone to take seriously.

People can take my testimony or opinions however they choose. That isn’t to say that your position is objective, or fact by default, just because I can’t scientifically prove mine.

It’s an issue of credibility of the witness, not scientific verifiability.

It isn’t even really credibility so much as we know that the human mind interprets things so strangely that it just makes more sense to attribute these experiences to that rather than to gods.

In ROTJ, the new footage of the dancer in the rancor pit is really well done and seamlessly integrated, and also makes a scene that originally was a bit confusing more clear without ruining the suspense. Jedi Rocks of course ruins that whole sequence, but the dancer in the pit itself is great.

Is it a sticker or is it printed directly onto the art? It reminds me of the surgeon general’s warning on cigarette cartons.

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

chyron8472 said:

I do assert that your relationship with God is truly important, but your relationship with Him is between you and Him.

I’m not sure how popular this opinion will be here, but I assert that having no relationship with God or any god whatsoever is completely healthy and ultimately would make most people better off.

That would be healthy if there was no God, but there is.

You can tell yourself that all you want, but there’s no way to know that there’s a god

Yes there is. I’ve had personal experiences that prove it beyond the shadow of the remotest possible doubt. I just can’t reproduce those experiences in a controlled environment with verifiable scientific data to corroborate conclusions drawn from them.

Here’s the problem with that. Just because you had a powerful experience doesn’t mean that it’s god. I’ve had experiences with ghosts. I mentioned it on this forum a few times. I’ve heard ghostly sounds, I’ve seen ghostly apparitions, and I’ve felt demonic presences. I sometimes, depending on the day, feel like those were real spiritual experiences, but I at least can acknowledge that it could have been (and probably was) just an uncomfortable and startling situation where those feelings or sensations were caused by something else. I doubt very seriously that anyone, including you, would find a statement from me saying “Ghosts are real, I’ve had experiences that prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt, I just can’t reproduce those experiences . . .” to be all that compelling. So, I’d appreciate not being expected to think of your personal experiences as objective fact for everyone to take seriously.

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

chyron8472 said:

I do assert that your relationship with God is truly important, but your relationship with Him is between you and Him.

I’m not sure how popular this opinion will be here, but I assert that having no relationship with God or any god whatsoever is completely healthy and ultimately would make most people better off.

That would be healthy if there was no God, but there is.

You can tell yourself that all you want, but there’s no way to know that there’s a god, so to many people just excising the whole equation from their life is comforting and liberating.

What I’m concerned about here is that just because people be crazy, religious people or otherwise, that doesn’t affect the importance of one’s relationship with God. In my opinion, relationship with God is too important to let bad experiences with foolish, ignorant, overbearing people stand in the way of it. Be they parents, pastors, or whoever else. Even us. But one has to do it themselves. To choose to do it themselves. You have to make up your own mind what you want.

Well, he’s obviously not enjoying a relationship with God even aside from the southern US religious setting he’s in.

suspiciouscoffee said:

Maybe, but there’s always Pascal’s Wager to be afraid of.

You’ll eventually learn not to care about that either.

moviefreakedmind said:

Earl said:

This concept could’ve worked but was executed poorly. Really poorly.

I also find it kind of surprising that they would put a swastika on the cover art. Usually they avoid incorporating swastikas into box art when it comes to WWII products. Even the Axis and Allies board game would always obscure the German flag on the box.

When people get banned, can they send PMs to mods or something, or did he create a sock account?

suspiciouscoffee said:

My mom is starting to talk about having just discovered 9/11 trutherism and she sounds super hyper and it almost sounds like she’s starting to believe this shit…

This arose as she flipped throigh channels and came across Schindler’s List and she started asking “why do people hate Jews? They’re just people!” I was in strong agreement of course because anti-semites are vile, until she took a hard turn to say “they aren’t like the Moosluhms who blow everything up. Hey, speaking of, did you know there are whole conspiracy theories around 9/11? I just found an article on it recently, like where was the plane in the Pentagon…” and it spiraled from there.

Ow.

This is where you can, and should just tell her, “Mom, I refuse to talk about or listen to this.”

ray_afraid said:

Seems I’m constantly hearing “I’m sarcastic and snarky all the time! Don’t be offended by my rude behavior! This sorry excuse for a personality is WHO I AM!”

Just say it to my face why don’t ya!