I will answer you, Ash,
Awesome.
but again, I’m waiting. It’s a really involved and controversial question, and I’m not really comfortable jumping down the rabbit hole by myself.
Oh.
I don’t understand why anyone is bothered by nudity in 99% of instances.
Do you know any women? Any women who are sick of the endless bombardment of naked or essentially naked women in all different circumstances over and over and over, no matter if there’s any reason for it or not? Any women who are sick of the constant objectification of women and mistreatment of women?
I do.
Bring balance to the buff. Show more naked men.
They use a lot of scantly clad men for smutty media too. And for real art.
I don’t understand why anyone is bothered by nudity in 99% of instances.
Do you know any women?
Yeah. I’m not a fan of many of them either.
Any women who are sick of the endless bombardment of naked or essentially naked women in all different circumstances over and over and over, no matter if there’s any reason for it or not?
I’m sure some of them, like me, don’t like all the shitty commercials full of senselessly naked people that are trying to sell shitty products to dumb people that are won over by that.
Any women who are sick of the constant objectification of women and mistreatment of women?
None that conflate nudity in film or art with that.
I do.
I don’t find nudity weird or uncomfortable unless it’s obviously smut. I explained why to Warbler once and he just said my reasoning was “gross.”
I don’t understand why anyone is bothered by nudity in 99% of instances.
Of course not, but I’ve been taken out of a movie when they’re obviously trying to cut around nudity to the point of it looking terrible and stupid.
I don’t feel so strongly about nudity.
Given the scene, definitely not uninhibitedness or seediness. Possibly innocence or vulnerability, but the point is you can still communicate that quite easily without showing the actual body parts, and showing the actual body parts multiple times.
It often doesn’t communicate it as well, or as viscerally.
STFY
Does that stand for “Suck that, fuck you”?
^That.
Tell me how that scene needed it.
I can think of at least two pretty good reasons.
There is a difference between showing a naked woman and showing nudity. Unless I missed something that would spoil the upcoming hour-and-a-half, can you explain why the later was necessary, rather than the former?
There is a certain effect that it conveys. It’s in your face. It’s an uncomfortable scene for the character and it’s an uncomfortable scene to watch and the nudity is part of that. In that way, you sympathize with her and her exposure and exploitation (and, ultimately murder). It’s not sexual in any way. It’s gross, and that’s the point.
Another couple of nonsexual examples of this are Carrie taking a bath, or when she’s getting harassed in the locker room, and when the naked kid gets flogged in Lord of the Flies. It makes it more uncomfortable and disturbing, which makes for a more effective scene.
Given the scene, definitely not uninhibitedness or seediness. Possibly innocence or vulnerability, but the point is you can still communicate that quite easily without showing the actual body parts, and showing the actual body parts multiple times.
It often doesn’t communicate it as well, or as visually.
A better comparison would be if there was an American football thread (not an NFL thread) and someone asked questions about and complained about the dangers of football and the problems it causes and why they think it’s bad.
But again, after that point has been made, it doesn’t need to be endlessly revisited from every possible angle in such a way that devolves the tone of the discussion into a toxic mess with no foreseeable resolution.
I’m curious how you’d respond if a devout Scientologist voiced his criticism of Christianity in this thread.
I would be more interested in the Scientologist saying what he himself believed, rather than him telling me why my belief is ridiculous.
But he’d, according to you, have a more vested interest in going against what he’d consider a false religion.
Ok I’ll add something new.
Since I’m going to hell, what exactly does that mean? Is it the traditional hell with fire and brimstone and my soul is tortured by eating all the donuts forever? What’s the actual punishment for not believing Jesus was more than a good dude?
I’m actually interested in an answer to this from the believers in here.
It’s never been answered on this forum in my time here. I’m guessing that it hasn’t been answered since the creation of the thread.
A better comparison would be if there was an American football thread (not an NFL thread) and someone asked questions about and complained about the dangers of football and the problems it causes and why they think it’s bad.
But again, after that point has been made, it doesn’t need to be endlessly revisited from every possible angle in such a way that devolves the tone of the discussion into a toxic mess with no foreseeable resolution.
The conversation hasn’t changed. Basically you’re desiring to only have conversations in this thread without the non-believer perspective. I’m curious how you’d respond if a devout Scientologist voiced his criticism of Christianity in this thread.
I’m watching it right now (as in this week and next, not this minute). 1 hour in, pretty good so far.
Some completely unnecessary female nudity however.
Nudity is almost never necessary.
No, I really like nudity in film and photography. I think it’s beautiful. And this is coming from someone who finds most people unattractive so it’s not a weird sex thing. To say that it’s almost never necessary is crazy. I could list you an enormous list of films/photos/sculptures/paintings where it is effective. The only times it is unnecessary are in films that are obviously exploitative and the scenes exist purely to be smut. But that usually isn’t art so I don’t really care.
^That.
Tell me how that scene needed it.
I haven’t seen Blade Runner 2042, but usually nudity communicates innocence, vulnerability, uninhibitedness, or seediness. I’m guessing with Blade Runner it was the last one.
The attitude that it’s murder to abort a six-week-old fetus but a person who murdered a fully developed person can completely wipe the slate clean by accepting Jesus is revolting to me.
So you have said.
You might want to get over it.
One wonders why you can not.
My comments are about religion. Yours are about me.
But you don’t believe in religion. You’re just bitching. If you don’t believe, you shouldn’t care. People make judgements and decisions, religion or not, that other people disagree with. Complaining endlessly about how their philosophy makes no sense at some point becomes not much more than trolling.
It’s like hanging out in the NFL thread just to complain at length about how American football is stupid.
No, it’s not. Pointing out things we disagree with and explaining why is not trolling or even bitching. Enough people around nonbelievers care about religion that it makes it difficult for nonbelievers not to care. A better comparison would be if there was an American football thread (not an NFL thread) and someone asked questions about and complained about the dangers of football and the problems it causes and why they think it’s bad. And no, that wouldn’t be trolling. If Frink and I were posting these complaints in the Prayer Request thread, then it wouldn’t be much more than trolling, but that’s not what we’re doing.
TV’s Frink said:
the people whose lives you destroyed don’t matter, all that matters is that you’re sorry. Lovely.
Something I really wish that people would criticize more is that you don’t even really have to be sorry for the people you wronged or society at large. It takes a lot more courage to ask the destroyed lives for forgiveness than it does to ask such an intangible entity for forgiveness since you’re not really facing anybody.
The attitude that it’s murder to abort a six-week-old fetus but a person who murdered a fully developed person can completely wipe the slate clean by accepting Jesus is revolting to me.
I guess both are pardonable by accepting Jesus, but comparing the two is just absurd. Even if you want to claim abortion is murder, it’s like the equivalent of saying that stealing a deck of cards is the same as stealing someone’s car.
The Republican Party is just so openly anti-reality at this point that I wouldn’t dignify its attitude as being aligned with anything.
I’m watching it right now (as in this week and next, not this minute). 1 hour in, pretty good so far.
Some completely unnecessary female nudity however.
Nudity is almost never unnecessary.
I love Satan and will love the Antichrist when he comes. I’m just saying they’re antichrist. Not the Antichrist!
Oh yeah. Republicans are an antichrist party.
Okay, so what about what I said regarding sex-ed, birth control, and the welfare state?
I don’t care about birth control as I already alluded to.
I’m asking if you want free birth control and condoms for anyone that wants it.
With sex-ed, I doubt any education beyond what is already in highschool health classes would even be benefical.
Okay, so you’re wrong there. Countries with real comprehensive sex-ed (not fake, abstinence-only sex ed) from elementary-school onward have much lower abortion rates than in the U.S.
And I don’t know what you want me to say about the welfare state.
If you demand that all unwanted pregnancies be carried to term then you better be ready to endorse supporting all of those children that may be impoverished. I’ll go ahead and tell you a story that I’ve brought up here before because this guy’s childhood is a perfect refutation of the idea that this world is fair. A friend of mine that probably doesn’t like me anymore (but that’s besides the point) was a very abused and molested and uncared-for child. I obviously don’t know if he or his siblings were children of rape, but I do know that his father was a very violent and quite frankly evil man, so it wouldn’t surprise me if that were the case. Regardless, my friend’s mother had him and a few other kids and did her best to raise them but ultimately my friend ended up homeless as a child for a while before finally ending up in a safe home. Now the point of all that shit is, you can’t demand all life be brought into this world and claim that all life is precious and then not support and call for programs that make life somewhat less shitty for the children that you demand be born.
Slightly off topic and apologies if this was perhaps mentioned in another thread but has anyone been watching that James Cameron Science Fiction series on AMC?? The newest episode talked about Star Wars and I noticed four instances from the original unaltered films used in the clip montages they showed. They showed the original Alderaan destruction (albeit briefly), original Death Star II explosion, original shot of the Millenium Falcon leaving Docking Bay 94, and the original shot of the TIE Fighter tailing Luke’s X-Wing (after the ‘I can’t shake him’ line). I know this doesn’t necessarily imply anything but thought it was worth mentioning.
Death Star II is interesting because that wasn’t in Empire of Dreams (I don’t think) which is what I would’ve expected they got stuff from if they did.
I mean, it helps to know that mid to late-term abortions for nonmedical reasons are incredibly rare. I don’t know what to think for the few that do happen though.
Family values my ass!