moviefreakedmind

Yeah, I agree with Ray.

TV’s Frink said:

https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/184934/and-why-not-a-metoo-guild

You have to create an account to see that. Can you give a brief summary of what that’s about?

I haven’t been around much lately. It’ll probably stay that way.

Warbler said:

So, what is wrong with mentioning the words “feminist agenda”? I think we have to agree that whether the agenda is good or bad, right or wrong, Feminists do have agenda. I think even feminists themselves would agree that they have an agenda. So why does using the words “feminist agenda” = “saying stupid shit”?

It’s stupid because you think that having a female lead is the equivalent of having a feminist agenda. It’s also obnoxious because it’s vague and pointless. If you see some kind of annoying feminist bullshit that you don’t like, then just call it that and explain why it’s wrong or stupid. That’s what I’d do. People would probably still disagree with you, but at least you’d be talking about reality.

Warbler said:

https://sports.yahoo.com/protester-national-anthem-dallas-urges-fans-vote-republican-221825956.html

As I feared someone else has used the national anthem as a time for protest.

No one cares about this country’s stupid anthem. The problem here is that the man is calling for an end to reproductive rights, which is despicable. It would be just as despicable if he’d done it on a street corner or in a Youtube video.

I am fringe. I’ve never pretended not to be fringe. I’d correct somebody if they claimed I wasn’t fringe. What is it that I think that is different from what I say? Tell me, please, I’m curious. You’re so full of shit, it’s fucking astounding.

I think Trump supporters are morons so I say they’re morons. I think centrism is awful so I say it’s awful. I think conservatism is awful so I say it’s awful. I say what I what I believe. You’re the one that doesn’t do that. Don’t project your insecurities on to me. That won’t work.

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moviefreakedmind said:

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moviefreakedmind said:

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moviefreakedmind said:

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moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

Besides, it’s my experience that most people overestimate their own intelligence and don’t realize a minimum IQ would exclude them. They take an “IQ test” they found on Facebook and it tells them they’re a genius, after which they like and share a post made by a Russian bot about Hillary and pizzerias or Trump and Nazis.

That’s a false equivalence. Trump’s emboldening of neoNazis is not just as ludicrous as Pizzagate conspiracies. Nice false equivalence. You almost got away with it, but alas, nope.

My goal wasn’t to make a direct comparison, but to demonstrate that Russian disinformation tactics rely on lack of intelligence and critical thinking ability to rile up their target. Neo-Nazis being emboldened by Trump is a real thing; Trump supporting Nazis isn’t, but that’s what less intelligent liberals buy into. Keep trying.

Trump’s refusal to condemn neoNazis or disavow their support is arguably supportive of Nazis. It definitely legitimizes their cause.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmaZR8E12bs&feature=youtu.be

Roughly the 2-minute mark is what you’re looking for.

It’s a weak and pathetic offhand comment made only to defend the merits if the Unite the Right rally, which was organized by neoNazis.

You: “He never denounced them.”

Me: “Yes he did, see here.”

You: “It wasn’t enough.”

Decent attempt at moving the goalpost. Try again, though.

Look, stealing someone’s schtick only makes you look embarrassing, especially when you use the “try again” thing when I was actually right. Try again, for fuck’s sake.

Keep deflecting.

Try again.

You know you’re an embarrassment when you’re more immature than even I am.

Why take anything you post seriously then? Why respond in a serious manner?

Because I’m still right and am making reasonable arguments about what I’m talking about. George Carlin was often pretty immature and he still knew what he was talking about.

Everyone should remember the next time that they engage in a debate with you that your tactics will be immature and not worthy of a response.

lawl. What a joke.

Just admit that you believe Trump is a Nazi sympathizer, his supporters are morons, and nothing he ever says will be enough to convince you otherwise. That would be more respectable than pretending his words matter.

He didn’t condemn them. He said they “should be condemned” and then proceeded to defend their rally without actually condemning them and their rally or denouncing their support of him.

Semantics. You’re playing grammar games for the sake of proving your point, because…

I do think he’s a Nazi sympathizer and I think his supporters are morons

Thanks for finally admitting it. You’ve dodged it for pages and pages of posts, so it’s nice that you’re being genuine for once.

Finally admitting it? I’ve felt that way for a long time. I haven’t been pretending. I’ve always thought Trump’s supporters were morons. I don’t think that all of his voters are bad or stupid. I explained the distinction I make between Trump voters and supporters a while ago.

You only draw this distinction between Trump’s “supporters” and Trump’s “voters” so you can continue to use labels like racist, moron, etc. in your rhetoric and then retreat behind “I know they’re not all like that” when you want to appear magnanimous.

I don’t throw the “racist” label around very much, usually just when it’s relevant. I do call a lot of people morons. Just recently I was complaining to a friend about how much of a moron Bill Maher is for not realizing that Hillary Clinton was a corrupt, corporatist pile of shit that handed the election to Donald Trump on a silver platter. So that word in my lexicon isn’t unique to Trump supporters.

Can you put a number to it? How many of the 60+ million Trump voters are racist morons? You clearly feel Trump wouldn’t hold the office without the support of racist morons, so the number must be relatively high.

How could I put a number to it? I’m not a fucking fortune-teller. I can’t read minds. If I put a percentage to the number of morons at Trump’s rallies I’d probably estimate around 98-99% with maybe 70% of them being outwardly racist, although the number of racists would depend on the city. That’s my ballpark estimate.

I’ve also never said that he wouldn’t hold office without the support of racist morons. I guess presumably he wouldn’t have won if not a single racist moron voted, maybe, but those people vote Republican these days anyway so I don’t think that racism (although it’s an obvious element of his base) won the election for him. I’ve said he wouldn’t be in power without the Electoral College, which is true, but the states that spun that around for him were Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. I don’t think racist voters turned those states around. I think those states lost due to Hillary’s incompetence as well as the corruption of the corporate Democratic Party that has sold out the working-class repeatedly and did so again right before the election by scamming Bernie Sanders, who was very popular in those states, out of the nomination. Bernie Sanders was much more progressive on race issues than Hillary was, by the way. So once again, you’ve fallen flat on your face in your attempt to put words in my mouth. Try again. Keep trying. Better luck next time. I’m sure you’ll fail just as hard the next time, but I wish you luck anyway. Please continue to lie compulsively about what I think in order to turn me into a caricature of the SJW “everybody is racist” types that your rightwing Youtube buddies have taught you to argue against. It’s, to quote our president, “SAD!”

Murderous cop found guilty of murder:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/05/us/jason-van-dyke-laquan-mcdonald-verdict/index.html

Hopefully this indicates that more cops that abuse their power will end up convicted and behind bars.

Mrebo said:

Not a substantive/political matter but since mfm brought it up a couple of times, using someone’s rhetorical style against them is a potent and legitimate way of debating. Sure, the person against who it’s done doesn’t like it, but that is why it is so useful. They then need to engage in a more substantive and sincere way rather than relying on “schtick” to make their points.

In this case it just demonstrated a lack of creativity on his part, which is fine if he’s okay with that, but I was genuinely giving him good advice.

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

Besides, it’s my experience that most people overestimate their own intelligence and don’t realize a minimum IQ would exclude them. They take an “IQ test” they found on Facebook and it tells them they’re a genius, after which they like and share a post made by a Russian bot about Hillary and pizzerias or Trump and Nazis.

That’s a false equivalence. Trump’s emboldening of neoNazis is not just as ludicrous as Pizzagate conspiracies. Nice false equivalence. You almost got away with it, but alas, nope.

My goal wasn’t to make a direct comparison, but to demonstrate that Russian disinformation tactics rely on lack of intelligence and critical thinking ability to rile up their target. Neo-Nazis being emboldened by Trump is a real thing; Trump supporting Nazis isn’t, but that’s what less intelligent liberals buy into. Keep trying.

Trump’s refusal to condemn neoNazis or disavow their support is arguably supportive of Nazis. It definitely legitimizes their cause.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmaZR8E12bs&feature=youtu.be

Roughly the 2-minute mark is what you’re looking for.

It’s a weak and pathetic offhand comment made only to defend the merits if the Unite the Right rally, which was organized by neoNazis.

You: “He never denounced them.”

Me: “Yes he did, see here.”

You: “It wasn’t enough.”

Decent attempt at moving the goalpost. Try again, though.

Look, stealing someone’s schtick only makes you look embarrassing, especially when you use the “try again” thing when I was actually right. Try again, for fuck’s sake.

Keep deflecting.

Try again.

You know you’re an embarrassment when you’re more immature than even I am.

Just admit that you believe Trump is a Nazi sympathizer, his supporters are morons, and nothing he ever says will be enough to convince you otherwise. That would be more respectable than pretending his words matter.

He didn’t condemn them. He said they “should be condemned” and then proceeded to defend their rally without actually condemning them and their rally or denouncing their support of him.

Semantics. You’re playing grammar games for the sake of proving your point, because…

I do think he’s a Nazi sympathizer and I think his supporters are morons

Thanks for finally admitting it. You’ve dodged it for pages and pages of posts, so it’s nice that you’re being genuine for once.

Finally admitting it? I’ve felt that way for a long time. I haven’t been pretending. I’ve always thought Trump’s supporters were morons. I don’t think that all of his voters are bad or stupid. I explained the distinction I make between Trump voters and supporters a while ago.

I gotta give him credit on this one. His fans are losing their shit on him, though, which is hilarious. I guess partisanship is so powerful that not even his own cult will support him on the Kavanaugh thing.

https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1048320826376740865

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

Besides, it’s my experience that most people overestimate their own intelligence and don’t realize a minimum IQ would exclude them. They take an “IQ test” they found on Facebook and it tells them they’re a genius, after which they like and share a post made by a Russian bot about Hillary and pizzerias or Trump and Nazis.

That’s a false equivalence. Trump’s emboldening of neoNazis is not just as ludicrous as Pizzagate conspiracies. Nice false equivalence. You almost got away with it, but alas, nope.

My goal wasn’t to make a direct comparison, but to demonstrate that Russian disinformation tactics rely on lack of intelligence and critical thinking ability to rile up their target. Neo-Nazis being emboldened by Trump is a real thing; Trump supporting Nazis isn’t, but that’s what less intelligent liberals buy into. Keep trying.

Trump’s refusal to condemn neoNazis or disavow their support is arguably supportive of Nazis. It definitely legitimizes their cause.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmaZR8E12bs&feature=youtu.be

Roughly the 2-minute mark is what you’re looking for.

It’s a weak and pathetic offhand comment made only to defend the merits if the Unite the Right rally, which was organized by neoNazis.

You: “He never denounced them.”

Me: “Yes he did, see here.”

You: “It wasn’t enough.”

Decent attempt at moving the goalpost. Try again, though.

Look, stealing someone’s schtick only makes you look embarrassing, especially when you use the “try again” thing when I was actually right. Try again, for fuck’s sake.

Just admit that you believe Trump is a Nazi sympathizer, his supporters are morons, and nothing he ever says will be enough to convince you otherwise. That would be more respectable than pretending his words matter.

He didn’t condemn them. He said they “should be condemned” and then proceeded to defend their rally without actually condemning them and their rally or denouncing their support of him. I do think he’s a Nazi sympathizer and I think his supporters are morons but I’d be convinced otherwise if some kind of compelling behavior on their part led me to believe the contrary. I’m waiting. I’ve heard from many of them and I’ve to be impressed.

Is this the part where I whine that you didn’t acknowledge my other post? Not sure how that works.

I didn’t acknowledge your other post because it didn’t actually say anything of value.

Or it said things you can’t reasonably counter because you know them to be true, deep down.

No, it was mostly just faux centrism that I found unexciting. I’ll reexamine and counter it point by point if you want me to.

Why? It’ll just be more contrarian blather.

So what’s your problem then? And what, Am I not allowed to disagree with your shit without being a contrarian? How does that make me a contrarian? Plus you seem to the less popular opinion in this forum so how is me going after the less popular opinion contrarian?

CatBus said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

Besides, it’s my experience that most people overestimate their own intelligence and don’t realize a minimum IQ would exclude them. They take an “IQ test” they found on Facebook and it tells them they’re a genius, after which they like and share a post made by a Russian bot about Hillary and pizzerias or Trump and Nazis.

That’s a false equivalence. Trump’s emboldening of neoNazis is not just as ludicrous as Pizzagate conspiracies. Nice false equivalence. You almost got away with it, but alas, nope.

I believe he’s talking hypothetically. I don’t think Russian bots actually pushed the Pizzagate theory – that was Cernovich saying that. Similarly, Russian bots haven’t been comparing the Trump administration to the early days of the Nazis – that was Holocaust survivors saying that. But Russian bots theoretically could post on either topic.

Oh, you’re comparing Cernovich to Holocaust survivors. Nice try! Almost got away with it!

What a terrible attempt to parody my post. It doesn’t even make sense. If he’d implied both topics were false then you’d have a point. Try again.

This was almost an effective way to distract from the fact that you got called out on an erroneous assumption. Keep trying.

Uh, no. Not at all. Plus you’re just using my own style of mockery against me which indicates a near total lack of creativity on your part. My assumption wasn’t erroneous. Your post implied an equivalence between Pizzagate and Trump-Nazi connections. The same way you implied an equivalence between Black Lives Matter and white nationalists a few days ago.

I didn’t imply parity between Pizzagate and Neo-Nazis. You inferred it—which you do quite often, and usually mistakenly, which is what happens when your emotions dictate your state of mind and you’re intent on finding boogeymen everywhere.

I inferred it because it was the obvious implication. And you find boogeymen too. Remember when I debunked your claim that Youtube was targeting conservatives with demonitization by offering several leftwing examples of demonitized channels? You just responded with a conspiracy theory that “the left” thought they had deviated too much, or something. How is that not a boogeyman? I just found the obvious implication in your statement that conservatives repost Pizzagate and liberals repost Trump Nazi things. If I say that people will buy into anything, and then provide you with two examples, one being climate change and the other being faith healing, that implies that I’m equating the two or at least placing them on the same plane. Obviously.

Also, I took back what I said about BLM, which wasn’t equating them to white nationalists, but Antifa, which was a mistake because they’re not equivalent. But feel free to interpret it in whatever way best fits your argument so you can continue to label me as “far-right” or “on the wrong side of history” or whatever other looney lefty slogan strikes you.

You equated BLM to Antifa, which you were equating to white nationalists. You did take it back when I pointed out how terrible and inaccurate the equation was. So I guess you deserve a little credit for that.

Far-right isn’t a slogan. It’s a clearly-defined term that is relevant to the discussion. As for history, I don’t think you have any grasp of this country’s history, especially given your confusion on black history over the last sixty years where you couldn’t figure out why blacks overwhelmingly vote Democrat and instead offered a revisionist history explanation from a far-right commentator (again, why do we all think you’re far-right?) about how Republicans are actually the lesser of the two evils for Black America.

I agree more or less, except I do think that cops should be expected to risk their lives unless their death would be a near-certainty.

Sure. I forgot about that.

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

Besides, it’s my experience that most people overestimate their own intelligence and don’t realize a minimum IQ would exclude them. They take an “IQ test” they found on Facebook and it tells them they’re a genius, after which they like and share a post made by a Russian bot about Hillary and pizzerias or Trump and Nazis.

That’s a false equivalence. Trump’s emboldening of neoNazis is not just as ludicrous as Pizzagate conspiracies. Nice false equivalence. You almost got away with it, but alas, nope.

My goal wasn’t to make a direct comparison, but to demonstrate that Russian disinformation tactics rely on lack of intelligence and critical thinking ability to rile up their target. Neo-Nazis being emboldened by Trump is a real thing; Trump supporting Nazis isn’t, but that’s what less intelligent liberals buy into. Keep trying.

Trump’s refusal to condemn neoNazis or disavow their support is arguably supportive of Nazis. It definitely legitimizes their cause.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmaZR8E12bs&feature=youtu.be

Roughly the 2-minute mark is what you’re looking for.

It’s a weak and pathetic offhand comment made only to defend the merits if the Unite the Right rally, which was organized by neoNazis.

Is this the part where I whine that you didn’t acknowledge my other post? Not sure how that works.

I didn’t acknowledge your other post because it didn’t actually say anything of value.

Or it said things you can’t reasonably counter because you know them to be true, deep down.

No, it was mostly just faux centrism that I found unexciting. I’ll reexamine and counter it point by point if you want me to.

CatBus said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

Besides, it’s my experience that most people overestimate their own intelligence and don’t realize a minimum IQ would exclude them. They take an “IQ test” they found on Facebook and it tells them they’re a genius, after which they like and share a post made by a Russian bot about Hillary and pizzerias or Trump and Nazis.

That’s a false equivalence. Trump’s emboldening of neoNazis is not just as ludicrous as Pizzagate conspiracies. Nice false equivalence. You almost got away with it, but alas, nope.

I believe he’s talking hypothetically. I don’t think Russian bots actually pushed the Pizzagate theory – that was Cernovich saying that. Similarly, Russian bots haven’t been comparing the Trump administration to the early days of the Nazis – that was Holocaust survivors saying that. But Russian bots theoretically could post on either topic.

Oh, you’re comparing Cernovich to Holocaust survivors. Nice try! Almost got away with it!

What a terrible attempt to parody my post. It doesn’t even make sense. If he’d implied both topics were false then you’d have a point. Try again.

This was almost an effective way to distract from the fact that you got called out on an erroneous assumption. Keep trying.

Uh, no. Not at all. Plus you’re just using my own style of mockery against me which indicates a near total lack of creativity on your part. My assumption wasn’t erroneous. Your post implied an equivalence between Pizzagate and Trump-Nazi connections. The same way you implied an equivalence between Black Lives Matter and white nationalists a few days ago.

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

pleasehello said:

moviefreakedmind said:

pleasehello said:

American police officers have one of the most difficult jobs in the world and I’m not sure how they can be expected to do their jobs if they’re not allowed to protect themselves from perceived deadly threats.

Not true. It’s not even in the top ten most dangerous jobs in America:

http://time.com/5074471/most-dangerous-jobs/

I said most difficult, not most dangerous. Cops have to make split-second decisions that can make them either heroes or villains or dead. I couldn’t do it and neither could you, but someone has to.

I didn’t say I could do it. I’m just pointing out all of the hideous examples that are in this profession and how they almost always get away with their crimes.

EDIT: I should add, though, that I could easily get a job as a police officer. I’d be terrible at it, but I could get that job. That’s the problem. The standards are low and there’s next to no accountability.

That cop was in no danger and he shot an underage person sixteen times needlessly. I’m tired of cops operating on a >different moral plane than us. If I had done this to someone, I’d be in jail for the rest of my life for murder. This >fucker should be too. Cops should be held to a higher standard, not a lower one. If they perceive a deadly threat >where there is none, then their asses should be in prison.

So when is it okay for a police officer to shoot a suspect who’s wielding a knife? After it’s already stuck in the cop’s ribs?

I think they should wrestle it out of the suspect’s hands, especially when there’s multiple cops there.

The idea that a cop should have to risk getting stabbed to deal with someone wielding a knife is ludicrous.

Why? It’s their job. If they can take him alive, them they should.

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

Besides, it’s my experience that most people overestimate their own intelligence and don’t realize a minimum IQ would exclude them. They take an “IQ test” they found on Facebook and it tells them they’re a genius, after which they like and share a post made by a Russian bot about Hillary and pizzerias or Trump and Nazis.

That’s a false equivalence. Trump’s emboldening of neoNazis is not just as ludicrous as Pizzagate conspiracies. Nice false equivalence. You almost got away with it, but alas, nope.

My goal wasn’t to make a direct comparison, but to demonstrate that Russian disinformation tactics rely on lack of intelligence and critical thinking ability to rile up their target. Neo-Nazis being emboldened by Trump is a real thing; Trump supporting Nazis isn’t, but that’s what less intelligent liberals buy into. Keep trying.

Trump’s refusal to condemn neoNazis or disavow their support is arguably supportive of Nazis. It definitely legitimizes their cause.

Is this the part where I whine that you didn’t acknowledge my other post? Not sure how that works.

I didn’t acknowledge your other post because it didn’t actually say anything of value.

CatBus said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

Besides, it’s my experience that most people overestimate their own intelligence and don’t realize a minimum IQ would exclude them. They take an “IQ test” they found on Facebook and it tells them they’re a genius, after which they like and share a post made by a Russian bot about Hillary and pizzerias or Trump and Nazis.

That’s a false equivalence. Trump’s emboldening of neoNazis is not just as ludicrous as Pizzagate conspiracies. Nice false equivalence. You almost got away with it, but alas, nope.

I believe he’s talking hypothetically. I don’t think Russian bots actually pushed the Pizzagate theory – that was Cernovich saying that. Similarly, Russian bots haven’t been comparing the Trump administration to the early days of the Nazis – that was Holocaust survivors saying that. But Russian bots theoretically could post on either topic.

Oh, you’re comparing Cernovich to Holocaust survivors. Nice try! Almost got away with it!

What a terrible attempt to parody my post. It doesn’t even make sense. If he’d implied both topics were false then you’d have a point. Try again.

I’m going to have a George Lucas marathon soon where I watch THX, American Graffiti, and Star Wars. I’ve not seen the first two. Should be fun.

That seems like a really long time.

Jay said:

Besides, it’s my experience that most people overestimate their own intelligence and don’t realize a minimum IQ would exclude them. They take an “IQ test” they found on Facebook and it tells them they’re a genius, after which they like and share a post made by a Russian bot about Hillary and pizzerias or Trump and Nazis.

That’s a false equivalence. Trump’s emboldening of neoNazis is not just as ludicrous as Pizzagate conspiracies. Nice false equivalence. You almost got away with it, but alas, nope.

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

In an ideal world, once Trump is out of office, we’d be able to remove all of his appointees.

Democrats can allow themselves to indulge in fantasies of impeaching justices (and even Trump himself) or they can ruminate over how things got to this place and, as you suggested, change their approach to get themselves back in the majority.

I’m not a Democrat. I just think that the only way to reverse the assaults on American freedom that Trump and his cronies have brought on us is to remove them from office. Things got to this place because Trump was savvy enough to appeal directly to the proud ignorance and stupidity that the Republican base likes while Hillary was too stupid and corrupt to appeal to what American voters actually wanted. To prevent this shit from happening again we need to abolish the Electoral College and outlaw corporate donations to political candidates and probably put in place some kind of IQ test requirement for people running for president so that someone as stupid as Trump can’t run again.

So we’re back to attributing Trump’s victory to ignorant, stupid Republicans. I could’ve sworn you’d said previously that wasn’t how Trump won and you didn’t label Republicans broadly. I didn’t believe you then, but at least your bias is back on full display now and you’re not pretending anymore.

Ignorant, stupid Republicans are part of it. He definitely mobilized them. It’s not the only reason why he won, but it’s a big part. And of course I’m biased. I’ve never pretended not to be biased. I hate the rightwing and wish it didn’t even exist. I’ve called Hillary supporters worse than Trump supporters. I’ve advocated for the removal of every corporate representative from office. I’ve even admitted to being in favor of some acts of political violence. When have I ever pretended to not be biased? That’s what you do.

I don’t have a strong opinion about the Electoral College. I do believe it has a purpose, but is open to abuse. However, I think addressing gerrymandering will solve those problems and is actually within the realm of possibility, whereas abolishing the EC is unlikely. I do agree that campaign finance reform is a massive issue and corporate donations should be banned.

It’s only unlikely because it gives Republicans an opportunity to win the Presidency without coming close to being selected by a plurality of the voters.

EDIT: Do you think Trump should be impeached for his blatant obstruction of justice? He admitted that he fired James Comey simply because he was investigating him. I know you’re very sympathetic to the far-right, so I’m guessing not, especially given how you ignore the legitimate reasons why Trump should be impeached.

Again with the far-right nonsense. You know nothing, as you prove time and time again with your broken-record hot takes.

I actually do know a lot of things. I’m pretty well-informed. I’m not any more intelligent than most people, but I’m very well-read and I generally have at the very least a layman’s understanding of what I’m talking about. So, once again you’re wrong.

I’ll let Mueller make the case for Trump’s impeachment when he shares his findings since I’m neither a constitutional scholar nor an attorney/prosecutor. I’m glad you’re confident in your armchair legalese and that it brings you peace of mind. Part of me wishes I still subscribed to a hopelessly binary mode of thinking so that I could once again be certain about everything.

Why do you even talk about things then? Presumably you’re not an expert anything you’ve talked about in this thread before but that didn’t stop you from babbling about it. I don’t need to be a prosecutor to see that firing the person investigating you is obstruction of justice. I don’t even have a hopelessly binary mode of thinking, either. I’m just confident in what I believe. That’s not a bad thing when what you believe is grounded in reality. Why would I want to float around being unsure of everything and unwilling to just take a stance on something? That would a pathetic and sad existence.

pleasehello said:

moviefreakedmind said:

pleasehello said:

American police officers have one of the most difficult jobs in the world and I’m not sure how they can be expected to do their jobs if they’re not allowed to protect themselves from perceived deadly threats.

Not true. It’s not even in the top ten most dangerous jobs in America:

http://time.com/5074471/most-dangerous-jobs/

I said most difficult, not most dangerous. Cops have to make split-second decisions that can make them either heroes or villains or dead. I couldn’t do it and neither could you, but someone has to.

I didn’t say I could do it. I’m just pointing out all of the hideous examples that are in this profession and how they almost always get away with their crimes.

EDIT: I should add, though, that I could easily get a job as a police officer. I’d be terrible at it, but I could get that job. That’s the problem. The standards are low and there’s next to no accountability.

That cop was in no danger and he shot an underage person sixteen times needlessly. I’m tired of cops operating on a >different moral plane than us. If I had done this to someone, I’d be in jail for the rest of my life for murder. This >fucker should be too. Cops should be held to a higher standard, not a lower one. If they perceive a deadly threat >where there is none, then their asses should be in prison.

So when is it okay for a police officer to shoot a suspect who’s wielding a knife? After it’s already stuck in the cop’s ribs?

I think they should wrestle it out of the suspect’s hands, especially when there’s multiple cops there.

pleasehello said:

American police officers have one of the most difficult jobs in the world and I’m not sure how they can be expected to do their jobs if they’re not allowed to protect themselves from perceived deadly threats.

Not true. It’s not even in the top ten most dangerous jobs in America:

http://time.com/5074471/most-dangerous-jobs/

That cop was in no danger and he shot an underage person sixteen times needlessly. I’m tired of cops operating on a different moral plane than us. If I had done this to someone, I’d be in jail for the rest of my life for murder. This fucker should be too. Cops should be held to a higher standard, not a lower one. If they perceive a deadly threat where there is none, then their asses should be in prison.

He’s a murderer because the kid’s arms were at his sides, he was not advancing toward the officer, and he was shot ten times after he’d already fallen. The murderer claimed that the kid was extending the knife toward him, approaching him, and trying to stand back up after being shot. All of those claims made by the murderer are lies. I would still call him a murderer if he only shot the teenager twice.

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

In an ideal world, once Trump is out of office, we’d be able to remove all of his appointees.

Democrats can allow themselves to indulge in fantasies of impeaching justices (and even Trump himself) or they can ruminate over how things got to this place and, as you suggested, change their approach to get themselves back in the majority.

I’m not a Democrat. I just think that the only way to reverse the assaults on American freedom that Trump and his cronies have brought on us is to remove them from office. Things got to this place because Trump was savvy enough to appeal directly to the proud ignorance and stupidity that the Republican base likes while Hillary was too stupid and corrupt to appeal to what American voters actually wanted. To prevent this shit from happening again we need to abolish the Electoral College and outlaw corporate donations to political candidates and probably put in place some kind of IQ test requirement for people running for president so that someone as stupid as Trump can’t run again.

EDIT: Do you think Trump should be impeached for his blatant obstruction of justice? He admitted that he fired James Comey simply because he was investigating him. I know you’re very sympathetic to the far-right, so I’m guessing not, especially given how you ignore the legitimate reasons why Trump should be impeached.

Body-cam proves officer Jason Van Dyke is a murderer:

https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/10/4/17887932/jason-van-dyke-trial-laquan-mcdonald-chicago-police-shooting-jury-deliberation