moviefreakedmind

Just a few hours left till it’s over. I can’t wait!

Honestly, I think that’s kind of funny. I chuckled.

Jeebus said:

Oh boy…

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/04/trump-suggested-invading-venezuela-report

He better be fucking careful because I think that this country is only one more pointless, illegal war away from a violent backlash against the government.

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:
As Jay said this isn’t difficult to understand. He and I both pointed out that national change has often happened because states had freedom to act.

You used slavery as a really bad example, I remember that. States wanting to legalize or outlaw slavery is what started the Civil War.

Slavery is a perfectly fine example of how state autonomy brought about the end of slavery. It’s only an extreme example because it necessitated war.

What necessitated the war was the state autonomy. Look up the Kansas-Nebraska Act.

Another example was gay marriage. Another appears to be marijuana, a subject near and dear to you. It’s staring you right in the face why state autonomy is preferable to a national law that criminalizes it.

Nothing is near and dear to me. State autonomy is better than a national law that criminalizes it, but if it’s not federally illegal, then fascist states criminalizing it are definitely not better.

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Yes. I thought it was funny, and kind of disturbing, that a cop would be endorsed by such a person. I’m calling Mike the Cop an apologist for police brutality and excessive force. 'Cause that’s what motherfucker is, dude!

More proof that reasoned conversation is not to be had with you.

Mike the Cop literally believes that if you run away from him while he’s in uniform, then he has the legal right to shoot you multiple times in the back and kill you. Oh, but he might think it’s a tragedy afterward, which is cold comfort to the dead kid and his family.

Did you watched the whole video? If no, then maybe you don’t really know exactly what he believes.

To be exact, he does believe that he does believe a cop can shoot a fleeing person under certain circumstances and he sited a US Supreme Court ruling to back him up.

Mike the Cop literally believes that if you run away from him while he’s in uniform in certain circumstances, then he has the legal right to shoot you multiple times in the back and kill you, even if you’re unarmed. Is that better? I did watch parts of his videos and I saw some other videos of his and I think he’s dangerous. I wish people like him were not cops and didn’t have access to firearms.

And the Supreme Court has said all kinds of horrible shit in the past. The Supreme Court said Bush could be president without even finishing the Florida recount. The Supreme Court said segregation was A-okay. The Supreme court said black people were property, not people. Need I go on?

Nonetheless, US Supreme Court rulings are legally binding. The case he was referring to here was Tennessee vs Garner. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner

He supports a bad ruling.

It is a bad ruling in your opinion. Regardless, it is still legally binding.

I never said it wasn’t. My arguments on police brutality are often more morality-based because unfortunately cops have the legal right to kill unarmed people.

Mike the Cop argued that a fleeing suspect can be shot if the cop believes the suspect poses an imminent danger to people around the suspect.

And his definition of “imminent danger” is not something I trust given the murders that he has justified. Both of the times I’ve seen him defend police executions, the suspect was unarmed. Plus, he’s opposed to California’s attempt to protect citizens from the police because it requires police to deem it “necessary” to use deadly force which he thinks is too stringent. This man is not safe. I don’t know where he lives, but I sincerely hope that he isn’t in my county because I would not want to be up against this guy. His notion, “Innocent people don’t run,” is fascist and horrifying. People like this man are why people want to run from the police. Cops are scary! They’re the only people (typically) that can get away with killing you no matter how young you are, no matter how unthreatening, and no matter how obviously unarmed. How can people possibly not understand why sane people of all races, but especially black people, are afraid of cops?

I don’t have the patience to address the above.

I usually really respect laziness, but I don’t respect intellectual laziness.

Warbler said:

I implore others to not just listen to Mfm, and actually watch the videos I linked to and then see what you think of Mike The Cop.

Yes, everyone, please do! It’s really boring, but you’ll see what I mean! It should make you want to reform our justice system even more.

Mrebo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Mrebo said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Mrebo said:

Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

I don’t know that your second question makes too much sense. It’s sort of like asking whether I am a Constitutional absolutist. That Amendment states:

Let try to re-word it. You said you were not a “states rights absolutist”. Are situations where you are not absolutist in that regard, situations where we either

1. are dealing with a power delegated to Feds by the Constitution

and/or

2. are dealing with a power prohibited to the states by the Constitution

When you say you are not a “states rights absolutist”, you mean that you are not pro-states-rights in situations where the Constitution is not pro-states-rights, correct?

When I say I am not a “states rights absolutist” I mean the states don’t always win. Health insurance was an example.

It does not mean I think the federal government should exercise its authority to the maximum extent under the Constitution. There are areas where the federal government can act under the Constitution but I think should exercise restraint and instead respect state laws (eg marijuana).

How about medical marijuana?

The FDA should regulate that. In states where pot is legal it may not make much of a difference, but allow people in other states to have approved medication.

I’m not in favor of legalization and I never had an interest in the stuff. So my desire for the federal government to step back isn’t self-serving. It’s partly based on my view that the federal government is overstepping the bounds of its authority and partly on the view that there is value in states forging their own paths, especially where an activity is so broadly practiced with relatively little harm.

Okay, so the federal government can’t ban you from imbibing a substance, but the state can? Why is that any better? This is what I mean when I complain that states’ rights is bullshit when it’s all about the rights that states can deprive you of.

Because people disagree. In a democratic system that is a really important fact. If I had my way, pot wouldn’t be legal.

I really don’t care what your “way” is. You wanting a harmless, and often helpful substance outlawed because of your preference is totally irrational, unfair, and unAmerican. I don’t believe any state should have the right to outlaw marijuana.

That is the law at the federal level. So ask the people in the nine states where recreational use or 30 states where medical use is legal “how that is better.”

Well, they made the less totalitarian decision. If you live in a shithole that has it outlawed, then you’re not so lucky.

I get your impulse of wanting your policy preferences enacted everywhere. Who doesn’t want that? But of course that’s not how reality works. Where the federal government is the first and last stop, change is stifled. The constituencies of the various states have different views so let them make the laws they want. Granted you won’t like all choices in all states, but that is inevitable no matter what level of government choices are made.

I don’t believe that anyone has the right to decide what substances adults can ingest.

As Jay said this isn’t difficult to understand. He and I both pointed out that national change has often happened because states had freedom to act.

You used slavery as a really bad example, I remember that. States wanting to legalize or outlaw slavery is what started the Civil War.

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Yes. I thought it was funny, and kind of disturbing, that a cop would be endorsed by such a person. I’m calling Mike the Cop an apologist for police brutality and excessive force. 'Cause that’s what motherfucker is, dude!

More proof that reasoned conversation is not to be had with you.

Mike the Cop literally believes that if you run away from him while he’s in uniform, then he has the legal right to shoot you multiple times in the back and kill you. Oh, but he might think it’s a tragedy afterward, which is cold comfort to the dead kid and his family.

Did you watched the whole video? If no, then maybe you don’t really know exactly what he believes.

To be exact, he does believe that he does believe a cop can shoot a fleeing person under certain circumstances and he sited a US Supreme Court ruling to back him up.

Mike the Cop literally believes that if you run away from him while he’s in uniform in certain circumstances, then he has the legal right to shoot you multiple times in the back and kill you, even if you’re unarmed. Is that better? I did watch parts of his videos and I saw some other videos of his and I think he’s dangerous. I wish people like him were not cops and didn’t have access to firearms.

And the Supreme Court has said all kinds of horrible shit in the past. The Supreme Court said Bush could be president without even finishing the Florida recount. The Supreme Court said segregation was A-okay. The Supreme court said black people were property, not people. Need I go on?

Nonetheless, US Supreme Court rulings are legally binding. The case he was referring to here was Tennessee vs Garner. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner

He supports a bad ruling.

Mike the Cop argued that a fleeing suspect can be shot if the cop believes the suspect poses an imminent danger to people around the suspect.

And his definition of “imminent danger” is not something I trust given the murders that he has justified. Both of the times I’ve seen him defend police executions, the suspect was unarmed. Plus, he’s opposed to California’s attempt to protect citizens from the police because it requires police to deem it “necessary” to use deadly force which he thinks is too stringent. This man is not safe. I don’t know where he lives, but I sincerely hope that he isn’t in my county because I would not want to be up against this guy. His notion, “Innocent people don’t run,” is fascist and horrifying. People like this man are why people want to run from the police. Cops are scary! They’re the only people (typically) that can get away with killing you no matter how young you are, no matter how unthreatening, and no matter how obviously unarmed. How can people possibly not understand why sane people of all races, but especially black people, are afraid of cops?

Given how far from home they were, mutiny against the whole Starfleet crew would be a really dumb option. Really, Starfleet and the Maquis should’ve mutinied against Janeway for getting them stranded there all because of her totally inaccurate interpretation of the Prime Directive.

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Yes. I thought it was funny, and kind of disturbing, that a cop would be endorsed by such a person. I’m calling Mike the Cop an apologist for police brutality and excessive force. 'Cause that’s what motherfucker is, dude!

More proof that reasoned conversation is not to be had with you.

Mike the Cop literally believes that if you run away from him while he’s in uniform, then he has the legal right to shoot you multiple times in the back and kill you. Oh, but he might think it’s a tragedy afterward, which is cold comfort to the dead kid and his family.

Did you watched the whole video? If no, then maybe you don’t really know exactly what he believes.

To be exact, he does believe that he does believe a cop can shoot a fleeing person under certain circumstances and he sited a US Supreme Court ruling to back him up.

Mike the Cop literally believes that if you run away from him while he’s in uniform in certain circumstances, then he has the legal right to shoot you multiple times in the back and kill you, even if you’re unarmed. Is that better? I did watch parts of his videos and I saw some other videos of his and I think he’s dangerous. I wish people like him were not cops and didn’t have access to firearms.

And the Supreme Court has said all kinds of horrible shit in the past. The Supreme Court said Bush could be president without even finishing the Florida recount. The Supreme Court said segregation was A-okay. The Supreme court said black people were property, not people. Need I go on?

And how many goddamn minutes do I have to watch to form an opinion? I watched like 10 minutes of a thirty-something minute video. You’ve done this before where you’ve hid behind long, boring videos that no one can criticize without watching, and you even proved to me that it seems like I got the gist of his stance from what I saw.

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

oojason said:

moviefreakedmind said:

oojason said:

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I think it’s interesting how largely immune to the soccer craze the United States is. It’s kind of like how ABBA was a huge hit everywhere on Earth except for the U.S.

The US has had some peaks and valleys with interest. MLS has actually been around for 25 years now and I’m reasonably sure it’s fairly successful (granted I don’t follow it but it’s still around and it gets decent tv coverage). And interest does spike during most World Cup years, especially when the US is good (relatively speaking). Women’s World Cup was very popular last time out IIRC, especially given that we won the thing somehow.

EDIT: Looking at the short-lived history of the Women’s WC, we’ve done quite well. What’s up with that, rest of the world?

And Dancing Queen was number one in the US for a little bit, and you even hear it on American radio stations from time to time, but compared to how the whole thing was received in the rest of the world, it’s nothing.

Thank You for the Music related content - take it the ABBA appreciation thread 😉

I am talking about soccer. I was using ABBA as an example. The most famous soccer (or ABBA) got in the United States was nothing compared to how beloved it got in the rest of the world.

I know mate - It’s just a pun on the ABBA topic.

(with a few more afterwards for ZigZig too)
 

moviefreakedmind said:

I think it’s interesting how largely immune to the soccer craze the United States is. It’s kind of like how ABBA was a huge hit everywhere on Earth except for the U.S.

Soccer seems to be doing quite well - the MLS has expanded to 26 teams (with 11 more cities being invited to bid for a slot, and more slots to come). Teams are building purpose-built stadiums, attracting decent quality talent, and the MLS seems to be on the up income/revenue-wise.

Crowds are doing quite well too, noisy & passionate - finding their own identities & styles - and tickets seem reasonably priced on the most part.

The sport is still quite popular with young kids participating - though there is seemingly a lack of quality coaching in the important mid-teen years, with an over-empathis on physicality, speed and power over technique and decision making - where a mixture/balance is required. (Better quality coaching - and more of it - is likely required at the lower/younger levels, maybe a change in attitude?) More players playing abroad in Europe, or maybe even South America or Mexico, would likely help on the technical and tactical aspects too.

It didn’t help that the US failed to qualify for the World Cup, of course - yet you should be okay for the next WC if lessons are learnt. And also if Trump doesn’t piss off the countries in your CONCACAF federation again (personally, I thought it was hilarious - in the context of wishing to see the ‘smaller sides’ beat the ‘big boys’ - what occurred in the final WC Qualifying round at half-time).

Soccer breaking the US’s ‘Big 4’ sports may never happen - or being a longer-term craze, yet it doesn’t really need to. It’s chugging along quite well, the interest and investment is there along with a fairly loyal fanbase - the infrastructure required to sustain itself is now there (though obviously there remains issues - as there is for any pro-sport administration). You’ll also likely be better prepared to take advantage of that World Cup coming to your shores in 2026…

This is an expanded version of what I said. But mfm just sees ABBA.

I was using it as an analogy.

And yet you were bothered by Collipso doing the same when responding to Jay in another thread. Ok.

I wasn’t bothered, I just didn’t understand it and then when I did understand it I said I agreed with him.

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

I’m no more eager than you or Jay are (especially you) but ok.

I don’t know what this means. I’m not eager for anything other than a giant meteor destroying this planet, so I don’t know what you’re referring to. I wasn’t talking even about you anyway, unless of course you’re someone who is claiming that Solo wasn’t a box office failure, but I definitely didn’t have you in mind when I wrote that.

Well you said “so many people” so maybe if you clarified who you were talking about?

JEDIT: Eh don’t bother. Just seeing a lot of this lately.

I didn’t think it was offensive enough of a claim to require such clarification. It’s not like I said that “so many people” were doing something really horrible. I just have seen many people here try and claim that Solo wasn’t a box office failure and I don’t understand why anyone would claim that. The real take away here is that I simply can’t figure out human behavior and every time I attempt to it just turns into a frustrating experience so I need to stop.

TV’s Frink said:

oojason said:

moviefreakedmind said:

oojason said:

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I think it’s interesting how largely immune to the soccer craze the United States is. It’s kind of like how ABBA was a huge hit everywhere on Earth except for the U.S.

The US has had some peaks and valleys with interest. MLS has actually been around for 25 years now and I’m reasonably sure it’s fairly successful (granted I don’t follow it but it’s still around and it gets decent tv coverage). And interest does spike during most World Cup years, especially when the US is good (relatively speaking). Women’s World Cup was very popular last time out IIRC, especially given that we won the thing somehow.

EDIT: Looking at the short-lived history of the Women’s WC, we’ve done quite well. What’s up with that, rest of the world?

And Dancing Queen was number one in the US for a little bit, and you even hear it on American radio stations from time to time, but compared to how the whole thing was received in the rest of the world, it’s nothing.

Thank You for the Music related content - take it the ABBA appreciation thread 😉

I am talking about soccer. I was using ABBA as an example. The most famous soccer (or ABBA) got in the United States was nothing compared to how beloved it got in the rest of the world.

I know mate - It’s just a pun on the ABBA topic.

(with a few more afterwards for ZigZig too)
 

moviefreakedmind said:

I think it’s interesting how largely immune to the soccer craze the United States is. It’s kind of like how ABBA was a huge hit everywhere on Earth except for the U.S.

Soccer seems to be doing quite well - the MLS has expanded to 26 teams (with 11 more cities being invited to bid for a slot, and more slots to come). Teams are building purpose-built stadiums, attracting decent quality talent, and the MLS seems to be on the up income/revenue-wise.

Crowds are doing quite well too, noisy & passionate - finding their own identities & styles - and tickets seem reasonably priced on the most part.

The sport is still quite popular with young kids participating - though there is seemingly a lack of quality coaching in the important mid-teen years, with an over-empathis on physicality, speed and power over technique and decision making - where a mixture/balance is required. (Better quality coaching - and more of it - is likely required at the lower/younger levels, maybe a change in attitude?) More players playing abroad in Europe, or maybe even South America or Mexico, would likely help on the technical and tactical aspects too.

It didn’t help that the US failed to qualify for the World Cup, of course - yet you should be okay for the next WC if lessons are learnt. And also if Trump doesn’t piss off the countries in your CONCACAF federation again (personally, I thought it was hilarious - in the context of wishing to see the ‘smaller sides’ beat the ‘big boys’ - what occurred in the final WC Qualifying round at half-time).

Soccer breaking the US’s ‘Big 4’ sports may never happen - or being a longer-term craze, yet it doesn’t really need to. It’s chugging along quite well, the interest and investment is there along with a fairly loyal fanbase - the infrastructure required to sustain itself is now there (though obviously there remains issues - as there is for any pro-sport administration). You’ll also likely be better prepared to take advantage of that World Cup coming to your shores in 2026…

This is an expanded version of what I said. But mfm just sees ABBA.

I was using it as an analogy.

Yeah, we all know what thoughts you’re having. It’s obvious.

Mrebo said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Mrebo said:

Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

I don’t know that your second question makes too much sense. It’s sort of like asking whether I am a Constitutional absolutist. That Amendment states:

Let try to re-word it. You said you were not a “states rights absolutist”. Are situations where you are not absolutist in that regard, situations where we either

1. are dealing with a power delegated to Feds by the Constitution

and/or

2. are dealing with a power prohibited to the states by the Constitution

When you say you are not a “states rights absolutist”, you mean that you are not pro-states-rights in situations where the Constitution is not pro-states-rights, correct?

When I say I am not a “states rights absolutist” I mean the states don’t always win. Health insurance was an example.

It does not mean I think the federal government should exercise its authority to the maximum extent under the Constitution. There are areas where the federal government can act under the Constitution but I think should exercise restraint and instead respect state laws (eg marijuana).

How about medical marijuana?

The FDA should regulate that. In states where pot is legal it may not make much of a difference, but allow people in other states to have approved medication.

I’m not in favor of legalization and I never had an interest in the stuff. So my desire for the federal government to step back isn’t self-serving. It’s partly based on my view that the federal government is overstepping the bounds of its authority and partly on the view that there is value in states forging their own paths, especially where an activity is so broadly practiced with relatively little harm.

Okay, so the federal government can’t ban you from imbibing a substance, but the state can? Why is that any better? This is what I mean when I complain that states’ rights is bullshit when it’s all about the rights that states can deprive you of.

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Yes. I thought it was funny, and kind of disturbing, that a cop would be endorsed by such a person. I’m calling Mike the Cop an apologist for police brutality and excessive force. 'Cause that’s what motherfucker is, dude!

More proof that reasoned conversation is not to be had with you.

Mike the Cop literally believes that if you run away from him while he’s in uniform, then he has the legal right to shoot you multiple times in the back and kill you. Oh, but he might think it’s a tragedy afterward, which is cold comfort to the dead kid and his family.

I agree that the future of Star Wars isn’t at risk, I just wouldn’t be surprised if the future of some people at Lucasfilm might be at risk. I said people were eager to paint Solo as not a failure because people are responding to me saying that it didn’t lose money or that it wasn’t a box office failure.

TV’s Frink said:

I’m no more eager than you or Jay are (especially you) but ok.

I don’t know what this means. I’m not eager for anything other than a giant meteor destroying this planet, so I don’t know what you’re referring to. I wasn’t talking even about you anyway, unless of course you’re someone who is claiming that Solo wasn’t a box office failure, but I definitely didn’t have you in mind when I wrote that.

oojason said:

moviefreakedmind said:

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Then again, I’d be nervous if any film I produced had a six-figure loss.

It’s not a loss though. It just didn’t meet projections. Maybe they needed to rethink their projections.

If they spent 500 million on it then that is a loss.

I don’t understand why so many people here are so eager to paint Solo as if it isn’t a box office failure. It’s not like any of you have a personal stake in it.

There are?

A box office failure is usually when a film doesn’t make it’s money back, yes? Well, we don’t know what the film cost, do we? (do we?) I don’t know where the ‘$500m’ figure comes from I see bandied around - a guess? (someone replicated the cost of Rogue One and added extra on for the re-shoots, maybe?)

Solo has certainly under-performed - in context it could be said it has flopped in comparison to the other recent releases - yet did anyone expect it get near the ST figures - or even R1? I imagine the big-wigs will be looking into it and trying to address it, should they feel the need?

Personally, I don’t care too much - it’s not like Disney is going to pull the plug on future Star Wars films after 1 under-performing film (despite many articles stating it would) after the 4 released so far - so we’ll still be very likely getting more SW content in the future (which is something I’d like to see).

It’s because marketing isn’t figured into the production budget and typically costs just as much. A film with a 275 million dollar budget making less than 400 million dollars globally is a flop. These aren’t just my standards for a flop, this is pretty widely accepted. Even if they did somehow make money on that, ~250 million dollars spent in order to get a 100 million dollar profit isn’t a good investment when you consider how much other less expensive movies make. And I never said they were pulling the plug on Star Wars, I just said that the corporate suits are probably pissed off or nervous, which they always are, so I don’t see why that’s a contested issue either.

Yes. I thought it was funny, and kind of disturbing, that a cop would be endorsed by such a person. I’m calling Mike the Cop an apologist for police brutality and excessive force. 'Cause that’s what motherfucker is, dude!

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4F4N2SV94E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcbiWdqW_mY

Nothing more horrifying than a cop that wants less restrictions on who he can shoot to death. Disgusting!

I also find it funny that this man thinks being on Gavin McInnes’s show is a good thing. That guy borders on being a white identitarian and he lies about almost everything.

EDIT: I can’t watch all of the videos because I don’t have time, but there’s a really frightening fascist statement where he said, “Innocent people don’t run.” Cops don’t decide who is innocent or not in this nation, or at least they are not supposed to. I’m so sick and goddamned tired of cops saying that running should be a death sentence.

Identitarian?

Extremely nationalistic, white-pride, anti-immigrant. Gavin McInnes has repeatedly said that white people should be proud of the achievements of the white race and he said that the camps the immigrant children are kept in are actually really nice and they should be happy to live in them. He described MLK as a “leech,” and is opposed to gay rights. That sort of thing. He’s very much an alt-right mouthpiece.

oojason said:

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I think it’s interesting how largely immune to the soccer craze the United States is. It’s kind of like how ABBA was a huge hit everywhere on Earth except for the U.S.

The US has had some peaks and valleys with interest. MLS has actually been around for 25 years now and I’m reasonably sure it’s fairly successful (granted I don’t follow it but it’s still around and it gets decent tv coverage). And interest does spike during most World Cup years, especially when the US is good (relatively speaking). Women’s World Cup was very popular last time out IIRC, especially given that we won the thing somehow.

EDIT: Looking at the short-lived history of the Women’s WC, we’ve done quite well. What’s up with that, rest of the world?

And Dancing Queen was number one in the US for a little bit, and you even hear it on American radio stations from time to time, but compared to how the whole thing was received in the rest of the world, it’s nothing.

Thank You for the Music related content - take it the ABBA appreciation thread 😉

I am talking about soccer. I was using ABBA as an example. The most famous soccer (or ABBA) got in the United States was nothing compared to how beloved it got in the rest of the world.

Warbler said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4F4N2SV94E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcbiWdqW_mY

Nothing more horrifying than a cop that wants less restrictions on who he can shoot to death. Disgusting!

I also find it funny that this man thinks being on Gavin McInnes’s show is a good thing. That guy borders on being a white identitarian and he lies about almost everything.

EDIT: I can’t watch all of the videos because I don’t have time, but there’s a really frightening fascist statement where he said, “Innocent people don’t run.” Cops don’t decide who is innocent or not in this nation, or at least they are not supposed to. I’m so sick and goddamned tired of cops saying that running should be a death sentence.

Wow. I love intense physical sensations, I guess, so maybe I apply that to food also.

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Then again, I’d be nervous if any film I produced had a six-figure loss.

It’s not a loss though. It just didn’t meet projections. Maybe they needed to rethink their projections.

If they spent 500 million on it then that is a loss.

I don’t understand why so many people here are so eager to paint Solo as if it isn’t a box office failure. It’s not like any of you have a personal stake in it.

Keep in mind that recouping the investment isn’t what they want. In fact, I bet recouping the investment was never even a concern. It’s about how fast they can recoup it and how much of a profit it ultimately churns out in the long run once they do. If it takes over six years to recoup the investment and a film based on arguably the most likable character in the franchise is a box office bomb that’s potentially indicative of low enthusiasm for stand-alone films and perhaps the series in general, then the suits at Disney are not going to be happy about just recouping the investment. They want decades worth of Marvel-type success, three really successful films then a bomb and who knows what next. I’d be nervous if I were Kathleen Kennedy. Then again, I’d be nervous if any film I produced had a six-figure loss.