moviefreakedmind

That’s not true at all.

None that I can get.

Corporate diversity quotas don’t impress me at all.

Mrebo said:

Have you read “A Confederacy of Dunces”? I highly recommend and would be curious your opinion in particular.

I’ll look into it.

In what way do the jobs make you sick? Ever had a job that you enjoyed?

They make me sick because the only jobs I can get are ones that involve me being approached by person after person and talking on the phone with strangers about things that I don’t know and that makes me literally sick to the point of nearly collapsing. I’ve had one job that I enjoyed but it was an old college part-time campus job that obviously I can’t do these days.

Maybe I’ll finally have time to read War & Peace or Crime & Punishment.

Pace around and stare at the walls.

I don’t know and I don’t care. I’ll figure it out when it happens.

Of course I will. I hate myself most of all.

I’m allergic to people that pronounce it “jifs”.

I usually have a couple different jobs every month because I often quit really fast because they all make me sick. It’s the way to go because I’ve failed for years to accomplish that I don’t even think is worth accomplishing.

I’ve decided recently that I am no longer going to put forth any effort whatsoever into being a productive member of society and will just quit my job, hide inside, and wait patiently for all of my money to run out, which will actually take a good year or two as long as I don’t waste too much of it. I feel the need to announce this but since I have no family members that have any interest in what I have to say and no friends I figured I’d post it in here where it’s against the rules for anyone to make fun of me.

TV’s Frink said:

See it’s not all bad!

Yeah it is, I’m allergic to cats.

I agree. It’s reminded me again of why humanity is a waste of my time. I’ll take a stronger stance on the Starbucks story. Fuck SSSam, he probably deserved it; fuck that barista, I hope he got fired; and fuck everybody else too for good measure.

I’m usually pretty forward-thinking, but I don’t see much point in trying to get rid of the word marriage. It has barbaric roots since it was (and still is in some parts of the world) implemented by primitive societies, but there’s nothing misogynistic about the concept of marriage. It’s evolved past it’s archaic roots.

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

at least as mfm said, claiming they’re a “giant pile of sub-human shit that no one would miss if he died tomorrow.”

That’s a lie actually, I didn’t claim that or say that anyone else claimed that. I said that we literally know nothing about this person other than that he was mean to one guy at Starbucks. I said that for all we know he could be the most charitable guy on earth, or a “giant pile of sub-human shit that no one would miss if he died tomorrow,” or anything in between. I was basically just voicing a thought that I had about how easily people label others as bad without really knowing any of their contributions to society.

You can say something racist, sexist, or dickish and still be an okay person.

That was my point.

I almost see something of a contradiction here. You say that we shouldn’t call someone a dick unless we know their whole life story. Then you admit that being a dick (at least once) doesn’t define one’s entire life. What I don’t get, what exactly is the issue with calling someone a dick for an isolated incident?

I don’t know that there’s an issue. I just think it’s interesting.

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

In this instance, sure. But I don’t know if he’s a total dick. He probably is, but who cares? Everyone else is too.

It seems like you care quite a bit actually.

I care about the hypocrisy of people’s reaction to this ludicrous story. That doesn’t mean I care about the people in the story.

I’m not sure to what “hypocrisy” you refer.

There was a very obvious implication that I was in the wrong for finding this a little bit amusing, even though we all find things funny sometimes that are hurtful to some other person. I used the example of someone falling, which can sometimes be really funny. It doesn’t mean you’re glad that the person got hurt or that they fell.

I think there’s maybe a difference between laughing when someone falls, and laughing when someone trips someone else.

Is there? I’d say it also depends. Plus tripping someone is actually worse than typing their name as a stutter on a receipt.

I think that depends too. Maybe the more accurate (in some ways) analogy would be to say there’s a difference between laughing when someone falls, and laughing when a disabled person falls.

It also depends, and probably also depends on the disability. I’m not above laughing at a stuttering person falling down.

Still not perfect, but more to the point of why this specific making fun of isn’t cool.

I never said it was cool.

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

DominicCobb said:

Mrebo said:

Person B is rarely (if ever at all) saying something is “irredeemably horrible.” It’s almost always just Person A overreacting and assuming they are.

To be precise about this case, it was a series of snarky and dismissive jabs. But reading between the lines isn’t that difficult. Maybe you think I exaggerate with “irredeemably horrible,” but I think you can get the essence of my meaning.

It’s not just semantics, it’s people imagining things that aren’t really being said.

Maybe the discussion hasn’t gone on long enough, but I have faith you’ll get there.

I’m not wrong. Just calling someone a “dick” is pretty fucking far away from “irredeemably horrible.” It’s a gap that goes beyond hyperbole, and won’t be closed no matter how long the discussion goes on for.

This smells like semantics to me. Granted I enjoy the probably unintended irony of “a gap that goes beyond hyperbole” which attempts to chart the supposed outer limits of hyperbole. Answer: there are none.

I meant your specific hyperbole.

I’m giving myself a pat on the back for discovering hyperbole beyond the known universe of hyperbole.

In case you actually need me to clarify (which I somehow doubt), I meant your specific hyperbolic statement.

Sometimes the claim is that an opinion or phrase is racist or sexist, sometimes like here just jerkish. I was explicitly writing about a general pattern. What appears to be exaggeration (at least regarding the current discussion) isn’t the “heart” of my incisive commentary.

No, you’re right it’s a general pattern, and I think it’s exactly what I describe. Not just on this site but in general on the internet, when people say something is “racist,” “sexist,” or just “jerkish,” others take it to mean they’re condemning the transgressor to eternal damnation, or, at least as mfm said, claiming they’re a “giant pile of sub-human shit that no one would miss if he died tomorrow.”

People exaggerate the extent of the criticism and take it to a deeply personal place that is never ever intended. You can say something racist, sexist, or dickish and still be an okay person. I don’t know what’s so hard to understand about that. And I don’t know why people are more taken aback and upset by someone calling someone else out on being a dick more than that person’s dickish actions. Seems insane to me, but it’s a rampant mentality.

I easily understood mfm as finding something jerkish and funny. Is mfm a jerk for thinking it funny? Nope.

I don’t recall saying he was.

Yet that was repeatedly the suggestion and thus it escalated.

Was it?

It was very clearly implied.

What a bizarre situation.

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

In this instance, sure. But I don’t know if he’s a total dick. He probably is, but who cares? Everyone else is too.

It seems like you care quite a bit actually.

I care about the hypocrisy of people’s reaction to this ludicrous story. That doesn’t mean I care about the people in the story.

I’m not sure to what “hypocrisy” you refer.

There was a very obvious implication that I was in the wrong for finding this a little bit amusing, even though we all find things funny sometimes that are hurtful to some other person. I used the example of someone falling, which can sometimes be really funny. It doesn’t mean you’re glad that the person got hurt or that they fell.

I think there’s maybe a difference between laughing when someone falls, and laughing when someone trips someone else.

Is there? I’d say it also depends. Plus tripping someone is actually worse than typing their name as a stutter on a receipt.

Mrebo said:
It’s great when a scolding leads an opponent to overreact so one can pretend that overreaction was the initial problem even though it wasn’t.

That’s exactly what happened. And me “overreacting” doesn’t mean anything. I react intensely to almost everything, but that says nothing about my points or arguments.

DominicCobb said:

at least as mfm said, claiming they’re a “giant pile of sub-human shit that no one would miss if he died tomorrow.”

That’s a lie actually, I didn’t claim that or say that anyone else claimed that. I said that we literally know nothing about this person other than that he was mean to one guy at Starbucks. I said that for all we know he could be the most charitable guy on earth, or a “giant pile of sub-human shit that no one would miss if he died tomorrow,” or anything in between. I was basically just voicing a thought that I had about how easily people label others as bad without really knowing any of their contributions to society.

You can say something racist, sexist, or dickish and still be an okay person.

That was my point.

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

What I really need to do is purge whatever remaining delusional fantasy I have that I’ll be able to understand you people. That’s real point I’ve gleamed from this conversation.

good grief.

It seems like the healthy thing to do.

Warbler said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

I know of a couple of restaurants where rude waiters are part of the appeal.

How could rude waiters be part of the appeal at a restaurant?

Because it’s funny. There’s a place like that in Chicago.

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

In this instance, sure. But I don’t know if he’s a total dick. He probably is, but who cares? Everyone else is too.

It seems like you care quite a bit actually.

I care about the hypocrisy of people’s reaction to this ludicrous story. That doesn’t mean I care about the people in the story.

I’m not sure to what “hypocrisy” you refer.

There was a very obvious implication that I was in the wrong for finding this a little bit amusing, even though we all find things funny sometimes that are hurtful to some other person. I used the example of someone falling, which can sometimes be really funny. It doesn’t mean you’re glad that the person got hurt or that they fell.

chyron8472 said:

TV’s Frink said:

I mean, I certainly don’t remember ever coming close to finding humor in someone mocking a person who stutters, but ok.

You certainly participate in openly mocking people for other things. The fact that it’s not related to a disability is irrelevant.

He’s certainly mocked me before, and you, and almost everyone else. That’s actually a big part of why I kind of like him, but apparently chuckling at a situation in which someone’s feelings were hurt hundreds of miles away crosses some imaginary line. I don’t know why, but it does.

What? I like it when people make it easier for me to know what they’re really like.

TV’s Frink said:

But really, you might consider that you’re the only one who seems to be making a big deal out of this here. Guy acted like a dick. It got picked up by the news (unsurprising considering Starbucks has been in the news lately). End of story.

I’m making a big deal out of your reaction to my reaction of the story. I’ll admit that. I’ve got no problem with that. I make big deals out of things that piss me off.

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

Writing a person’s name in “stutter” is clever? What world am I even living in?

But yeah just sounds like you are bitter.

I don’t understand why you would refuse to acknowledge that there’s a tiny bit of humor in this story. Even if you don’t think it’s funny, I don’t get why it’s so shocking to you that this pointless, waste-of-time story might make someone chuckle a little bit in spite of the fact that it’s about a mean barista. But yeah, sure, I’m bitter. I don’t like it when people pretend to care about other people. I’d rather just admit that they don’t care, because I always respect honesty more than moralizing bullshit.

Just because the barista was trying to make a joke doesn’t make it funny, it just makes him a dick.

Does it really make him a dick? Are you really going to tell me that you’ve never once in your life been mean to someone else? Are you a dick? Are you a “terrible person” as Frink put it? (Speaking of Frink, I’ve seen him be pretty mean to people on this forum. I don’t think he’s a terrible person because of it.) For all we know, which is nothing other than that some guy got made fun of at Starbucks, this barista is a totally fucking pleasant person that maybe just made a poor joke because he was miserable at his shitty, degrading customer-service job. Maybe he’s a really mean dude, but perhaps he’s really charitable and spends his time volunteering at homeless shelters and helping people. Would he be a terrible person or a dick then? Maybe he really is just a giant pile of sub-human shit that no one would miss if he died tomorrow. We don’t fucking know. Maybe Sam, the customer, was really mean to the barista. Or maybe he’s the nicest guy in the world. We don’t fucking know. It’s not like the barista poured dish soap in the guy’s drink. It’s not like I’m laughing at someone for getting run over. I’m not even laughing at anyone, really. I just thought it was a kind of funny story. This is one of the reasons why I avoid other people. You can’t even chuckle at some distant, inconsequential event anymore without people finding it upsetting.

mfm is Starbucks barista sock confirmed.

You got me. I guess I should never try to make a nuanced analysis of anything ever again. Is that the message?

TV’s Frink said:

I mean, I certainly don’t remember ever coming close to finding humor in someone mocking a person who stutters, but ok.

Well, then get off your fuckin’ high horse.

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

It’s true that there could be some missing context. I know of a couple of restaurants where rude waiters are part of the appeal. Or maybe the stuttering guy was being an ass and this was the barista’s clumsy form of revenge. Or maybe the barista was having a bad day - his bike was stolen or something. Or what the heck, maybe he’s just a prick. I wouldn’t make fun of someone’s disability, but 49% of voters seem to think it’s ok for the president to do it.

Is he really disabled? I’d be offended by that kind of language more than being made fun of. Maybe that’s just me. It probably is.