moviefreakedmind

Well, this is why I definitely think that Disney will restore all film, elements, frames, deleted scenes, still images, etc. etc. that have to do with the OT. With films as popular and well selling as the OT (whether unaltered or not) they are going to be restored up to modern standards. I'm sure they'll release the OUT eventually, probably before Ep. VII when people are most excited about Star Wars. If they're planning on restoring everything then they might as well release the OUT anyway. By no means am I an expert on the subject, so I could be totally wrong, but it just seems to make sense.

something else interesting is that the guy says that his "sources" (whatever that means) at Fox have said that they won't release the unaltered cuts as long as Lucas is alive. That is interesting but nearly impossible to believe because this guy is for some reason under the assumption that the movies themselves are owned by Fox so I'm unsure of his credibility regarding the OUT. It also seems like a completely bizarre business deal too, and legally it just doesn't make any sense but who knows. I can't picture Lucas making a deal to never release the original films while he's alive, especially since he allowed the GOUT to be released, it just makes no sense but again, I don't have all the facts.

I checked that site and read some of the moderators comments. I'm assuming they don't know what the hell they're talking about because I'm certain that Lucasfilm owns the movies. Fox owned Star Wars for a while but I believe Lucas got it back when he let Fox distribute the prequels. Star Wars, Empire, and Jedi are owned by Lucasfilm (now Disney) and Fox just has the distribution rights. Again, this could have changed somehow when Disney bought Lucasfilm (I doubt it and am just saying it's a possibility because I'm not sure), but that site is wrong in saying that Lucas never owned the films, he definitely did. 

I just assumed that the clone wars was the conflict Palpatine used to come to power. I never thought the stormtroopers were clones, I just pictured the clones being some distant force that attacked the Republic, and were finally defeated, but at the cost of giving up the freedom of the Republic.

Well, there have been a lot of rumors about this over the summer, so maybe there's something to it. Plus the whole business with the 4k thing, I don't know though... I never want to get my hopes up unless a Lucasfilm official comes right out and says that it's being released

I don't want to see Tatooine because that would just be too much of a coincidence if they end up there again. But, I'm sure they'll find a way to shove Tattooine into the new movies since it's so famous now

darklordoftech said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

^If an organization's in charge instead of parents/other guardians, it smacks too much of brainwashing.

That, plus if any of the Jedi-raised babies grow up to want to be a Dark Jedi, they'll have all the training that they need to become one.

 I don't think we'll have to worry about seeing Luke train 8 year old Jedi. Pretty much everyone has disregarded all the prequel stuff where 5 year olds learn how to use lightsabers, even in the EU (or at least the EU before the prequels completely seeped into the OT). I remember a video game called Jedi Academy where a group of 20 or so young adults were flying to Luke's temple to start their training, and there wasn't a single 5 year old among them. I remember laughing at the Phantom Menace when Sam Jackson said, "he [Anakin] is too old" for the training. It's like Lucas wanted to parallel Anakin and Luke, but didn't realize that you can't parallel a 20 year old and an 8 year old; and also, the idea that an 8 year old is above the age limit for Jedi training is absurd since in the OT Yoda made clear that Jedi training is about discipline and maturity, and I doubt an 8 year old is too mature. 

If I put the .iso's for Star Wars and Empire on Dvd+r DL discs will they play in my ps3? 

StarThoughts said:

moviefreakedmind said:

It was so great to see the original Jabba's palace dance scene again, even though sadly the only way to make the scene look better at this point is to get some kind of film source since every SE release has not included any of the original musical scene.

Considering how good the film-sourced footage in Star Wars 2.5 and ESB 2.0 looks, and how well Harmy made it integrate with everything else, I'm not worried.

 yes me neither, I just wasn't sure how hard it is to find film prints; if he could get his hands on film-sourced footage for Jedi then he could kill two birds with one stone: Jabba's palace song as well as Sebastian Shaw's eyebrows, since both of those scenes were mangled by the first Special Edition (not just Shaw's eyebrows but his skin color was turned grey as well). I guess the sarlac pit could be upgraded with film-sourced footage too, but honestly I thought the sarlac looked pretty great in the current DE for Jedi. Really the only noticeable sarlac shot was when Luke is standing over it right after Jabba say's "move him into position."

I'm really excited to see what Harmy does with Jedi once Empire is finished. His work on Jedi is probably more impressive than the work on both Star Wars and Empire simply because of how much Jedi was mangled by the SE's. It was so great to see the original Jabba's palace dance scene again, even though sadly the only way to make the scene look better at this point is to get some kind of film source since every SE release has not included any of the original musical scene. The sarlac pit was incredible too, I honestly couldn't tell that the SE beak thing was edited out at all. Honestly I'd go so far as to say that if someone gave me a disc with the Despecialized Editions on it, and they told me that it was an official blu ray release of the OUT, I'd believe them: that's how good they look. Really the only noticeable part in the whole trilogy was Sebastian Shaw's eyebrows and his greyish skin color instead of the color it was in the theatrical version (which is an incredibly small complaint). I'm assuming he had to take the eyebrows from the GOUT and add them to the Special Edition, which given those circumstances it looked pretty good. I'd take slightly odd looking eyebrows over no eyebrows at all :)

Ronster said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

I personally prefer to believe Luke took swordfighting lessons in between SW and TESB.

The lightsabre is a physical extension of the force in so much that it is a tool which can be guided easily by the force unlike a laser gun.

The point of the training yoda gives is not swordfighting again this is how the prequals lost their way but about learning to use the force with the lightsabre not about swordfighting at all. learning the force to wield the lightsabre more effectivley.

At least that is what it seems to be about not about swordfighting nah.

couldn't agree more. Die hard prequel fans seem to think that lightsabers are some be all end all object. I think in Attack of the Clones Obi-Wan said something like, "This weapon is your life!!" or something.

SilverWook said:

Wasn't this thread about 4K something or other? ;)

 I guess we ran out of things to speculate :) 

I haven't heard any new information about the 4K thing

I saw someone post this on hometheaterforums.com today. Not sure if this is completely accurate but I thought i'd post this here since it sounded interesting and has to do with the 4K restoration. I personally don't know what to believe because Wielage said that they wouldn't do a 4K release, but RMW did have on their website (not anymore) that they worked on 4K, so there's no way RMW would lie about that, which begs the question of when Mr. Wielage actually wrote this.

"I thought I would pass this information along.
 
Marc Wielage, who worked on the 2004 Star Wars masters, and has 35 years of video mastering experience within the industry (also having worked for Technicolor and Kodak), recently commented on AVS to my question of whether he had any knowledge of any 4K Star Wars work.  I won't post the link as I am not sure if that is allowed here, but he replied to me.
 
To my knowledge, no -- it was all 2K. Note that Episodes 2 and 3 were all shot on HD with 2K visual effects, and none of the VFX in any of the Star Wars films were more than 2K. Some of the early digital stuff in the 1990s wasn't even HD.
It's an interesting thought as to whether they'd consider rescanning 100% of the live-action film footage in Star Wars and recomping all the VFX in 4K. That would be a monstrous expense -- I'm guessing as much as $20M -- so my gut feeling is it's not gonna happen. 
People get very wrapped up in 4K, but I'm not convinced it's the be-all / end-all. I think 4K can look great, and I'm all for people shooting in this format, but the post process for 4K is so torturous and expensive, I'm not sure if the world is ready for it yet. I think it can work, but when you're looking at a project with upwards of 1200 visual effects, and each one takes 2 or 3 days to bounce around to different facilities (in 2K)... multiply that times 4 and tell me what it does to the schedule. 
Having said that: there are more and more TV shows shooting in 4K. Sony showed some 4K demos of The Blacklistback in April at NAB, and I thought it looked fantastic. But that's not a show with 200 effects per episode."

unamochilla2 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

unamochilla2 said:

Didn't many of the cut scenes still end up in the film, just in an altered form?  Such as the Mos Eisley sequences and the Jabba sequence?  Those scenes had to have been restored in their original form before they were "enhanced" with CGI.

 Well, did they restore the mos eisley scenes and then destroy the negative by printing the CG directly onto the old film? Or did they restore it, digitally add the changes and add new parts into the negative and put the real parts into storage?

According to savestarwars.com, the original pieces are most likely in storage.  Therefore, the scenes were altered digitally.

The original pieces removed for the CG-enhanced shots are no doubt in storage. The original negative was fully cleaned and restored starting in 1995, and because parts even then were damaged or unusable had to have certain parts replaced with interpositive and separation master dupes, as well as having the optical transitions redone.

 So if that's true, then Disney wouldn't have huge difficulties (or at least not as difficult as Lucas wanted us to think) restoring at least Star Wars (ANH) then right?

unamochilla2 said:

Didn't many of the cut scenes still end up in the film, just in an altered form?  Such as the Mos Eisley sequences and the Jabba sequence?  Those scenes had to have been restored in their original form before they were "enhanced" with CGI.

 Well, did they restore the mos eisley scenes and then destroy the negative by printing the CG directly onto the old film? Or did they restore it, digitally add the changes and add new parts into the negative and put the real parts into storage?

Darth Id said:

I'd make George cheat first, so that Marcia's behavior was more sympathetic.

 That one made me laugh quite a bit

skyjedi2005 said:

Its not like Song of the South is it?

We restored the movie in HD and then we sent it to a vault to never be seen again.

I know its an altogether different thing but what are the chances a pristine oot has existed since the 1990's and Lucas just did not want it out there.

They undertook a multi mission dollar restoration yet they have no good prints or elements, i think there is something wrong with this picture.

 I've always wondered that too. Like, Lucas did restore the OOT so it wouldn't be lost forever (or it was restored before the SE ruined the negative), and then he hid it away so no one could ever see it. 

Personally, I would want to make him blink more, and I'd digitally remove his eyebrows. Also, I'd make it look like he steps on Steven Spielberg's tail when he walks behind him.

As long as I get an HD OUT that looks good on modern television sets I'll be satisfied. Star Wars deserves better, but at least we can watch it in HD.

As long as I get an HD OUT that looks good on modern television sets I'll be satisfied. Star Wars deserves better, but at least we can watch it in HD.

Harmy said:

 Even if it was included, there'd still be plenty to worry about. For one, there is the issue of the transfer - there may be plenty of things to ruin that. Then there's also the possibility, of a fake OOT, where only the most obvious changes are removed from the 4K transfer of the SE they apparently already have. Disney doesn't really have a great track record in this area - lots of Disney movies are DVNRed to death and many are not available in their original theatrical form.

 Well, if they scan the negative (the 97 SE) there wouldn't be as many minute easy to miss changes since a lot of those didn't start happening until 2004. Also, I wouldn't exactly be heartbroken if they use the "Episode IV" title crawl. The only change I could see them forgetting about is the matte painting rebels at the end of Star Wars, and even then I just can't imagine them skipping over a change. Wouldn't, if they use the negative, they scan the 97 negative, and then go into storage and scan ALL of the removed parts, assuming they still exist, that way they'd be able to see every single cut part and know what all they have to re-add (I don't have any knowledge of the LFL warehouse but I'm sure they'd store them all in the same place). Also, wouldn't the places in the negative where the changes took place be marked, that way they'd know exactly which parts to remove? Or, couldn't they do a restoration on technicolor prints of the original films, that way there's no chance of getting SE changes? I just think if they're going to release and advertise the OOT then they'll make sure it's the actual OOT, and not a half OT, half SE. Then again, I have little knowledge about film restoration so I shouldn't be making any assumptions.

DuracellEnergizer said:

^Those stories could still be told, albeit as out-of-continuity stories.

Of course, I'm all in favour of tossing the PT right out, negative reactions be damned.

Methinks they'll say the PT is canon just to avoid pissing anyone off, but future Disney movies won't be beholden to anything that happened in the prequels, like I can guarantee that we'll never hear the words midichlorian or gun gun again (praise God). The majority of people going to see Ep. VII probably don't even remember much of what happened in the PT anyway; seriously, from my experience no one I've met in the real world has any recollection of the PT, they just say, "oh, they weren't as good as the originals," or, "the acting sucked." It's only in places like TFN that you see PT fanboys.

darklordoftech said:

I'm confused: Do you want Sith or don't you want Sith or do you not care?

I personally don't care. I was just curious if they'd do it or not since so many people seem to think that Star Wars is about Sith vs. Jedi. But if they do use the Sith, then they'd be contradicting the prequels. Again, I have no preference, but I'd love to see them blatantly contradict the prequels in the ST.

I don't want to see pointless lightsaber fights that have no consequence to the overall plot of the movie (like in Attack of the Clones specifically, but pretty much all 3 prequels). I don't want all bad guys to be names "Darth", and I don't want all bad guys to have red lightsabers. Also wonder if the villains will be Sith, supposedly Disney believes that all 6 movies are the, "immovable pillars of the saga" or whatever, and if that confusing non-descript prophecy from the PT was correct then Anakin destroyed the Sith, meaning the Emperor and himself. Lucas said that exact thing in an interview once, so if Disney does count the PT as canon then they'd have to accept that silliness and work around it, also, I know they say the PT is canon, but I'm sure they won't even do so much as watch the prequels before making the ST. Oh, I also don't want to see Carrie Fisher in the metal bikini again from Return of the Jedi.

^I can't picture them trying to block the OUT from seeing the light of day, but like I said before, once they announce their next release of the OT we'll know if we'll see the OUT released again.