hairy_hen said:
Given how different it is from the book (which I read first), I just can't take that movie seriously at all.
I don't take it seriously either. Honestly I think Christopher Lee's performance has a lot to do with why I like it.
I think I might be the only one who really enjoys Man with the Golden Gun... Not even close to my favorite, but it's fun I think
Just thought of a really bad possible change:
Scene in Empire where R2 falls into the bog at Dagobah is cut and replaced with a CGI shot of R2 using his rocket boosters to fly from the X-wing to land
I'm really excited for Jedi 2.0. The thought of 35mm Lapti Nek is just incredible. Harmy, was the entirety of some shots replaced with 35mm in the Star Wars Mos Eisley sequence? I have my suspicions on a couple shots but I honestly can't tell for sure. If that's how seamless the 35mm looks then I'm not too worried about integrating it into Jedi
Sorry, but do you mean that for 2.0 you plan to clean up the existing shots, or just replace the existing GOUT shots entirely with your 35mm sources?
That shot would probably require 35mm to look as good as the other sarlacc shots. Still though, if the "jitter" was fixed then I think the GOUT would be acceptable enough for that shot. I believe all of the sarlacc shots were despecialized with the GOUT and they look pretty great, but most of those shots usually weren't taking up as much of the frame as this one, plus the sarlacc wasn't really moving in those either.
I didn't mean worship literally, I just meant he was a total yes man, which was exactly what he was supposed to do at that job. I'd probably do the same, I mean George was his boss and he was supposed to speak positively of all George's endeavors. Now that Disney's in charge though the workers won't be beholden to hail all Star Wars material as some kind of scripture like they did before.
He likely deleted those posts at Disney's request. This shows that clearly Disney isn't afraid to appoint people who don't worship Lucas and all of his decisions (a la Rick McCallum)
I think SilverWook is right, and now that there are workers/actors now working for Lucasfilm but not Lucas himself, they're willing to go against what he's done since he isn't their current, future, or previous boss. Criticizing the SE's is the equivalent of criticizing George Lucas's "true vision" after all.
A release of the OUT is inevitable. I'm sure most people in Lucasfilm would've loved to see the OUT released, Rick McCallum included, but they didn't want to question George. Now that he's gone I'm sure it'll be released, especially with all the buzz we've been hearing about it everywhere.
EDIT: People involved in these films are even saying that the SE's were detrimental to the story of the originals, and that's really saying something. Imagine if PT actors said that?
gizzy2000 said:
OK, so I live in the single-room dormitory, so no one here has a roommate. One of the people in my hall is around 30 years old (no idea why he lives in the dorms, an apartment would be cheaper) and I can always hear him laughing hysterically and talking loudly to himself throughout the night, sometimes saying the same thing over and over again. I'm not sure if he's drunk or high or just plain insane. Also, I know for a fact that he's muttering and laughing to himself because I saw him walking down the hallway doing this. I would report him to the RA, who is like a 19 year old girl, but I'm not sure if that would be safe to do, especially not when he's clearly in some sort of strange mental state in the evenings. Any advice or similar stories?
If he's that bad then I think it'd be a bit irresponsible not to report him. Endless laughing as well as talking to himself all night is not a normal symptom of just marijuana smoking. He's either doing a stronger drug, or he isn't doing well mentally; it'll probably be for his own good, as well as all your other neighbors, to just let somebody know. It's not like you are going to have to testify in court about this; most college dorms would probably have some kind of anonymous way to report people as well.
I have a question about a couple of shots in Jedi 1.0. First, right before the scene wipes to the Sail Barge, the aliens are leaving Jabba's Palace and everything kind of slows down for a brief moment. I'm assuming this had something to do with removing the SE footage transitioning into the added shot of the desert with the Banthas or to keep the audio in synch. For 2.0, would that shot just remain as is, or could it transition to GOUT for those few frames, or would that part have to be despecialized with some type of 35mm footage?
Also, during the Yub Nub celebration, there are several jump cuts during the scene. Was that to edit around SE footage? I know that during most of the scene it smoothly transitions from 2004 to GOUT footage. Is this something that you'll collaborate with TN1 with, or will that have to wait for a future release?
DrCrowTStarwars said:
Yeah that is why I use local thrift shops when I want to add to my collection of games. I got all of the Super Star Wars games for .50 each. Ebay is a rip off,thrift shops may take time but it can be fun and you will always get a better deal then Ebay.
Plus it gives you something to brag about on LGR's facebook page:)
I collect games too
EDIT: I mostly started because my brother gave me his old collection when he sold his house
Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
AntcuFaalb said:
Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
While I understand (now) that the LD master was letterboxed, presumably that master was made from some earlier scan. I'd also imagine that that scan was better resolution than letterboxed 4:3.
I'm pretty sure a fairly direct film->...->D-1 pipeline was used. The storage costs for a digital scan of a film at >NTSC resolution would have been massive in '92/93 and it still would have been on tape.
So if I understand you correctly, the letterboxed LD master was likely the highest resolution entity they had, other than the original film?
You'd think they could've just scanned the '93 print and cleaned it up to make it look acceptable and released that in '06. That would've satisfied most people I think
I still don't think that he cares anymore. I think he went from being legitimately opposed to people seeing the OOT, to someone who just did not care at all about it.
msycamore said:
moviefreakedmind said:
If he didn't want anyone to see the OOT again then he wouldn't have released them in 2006, the GOUT showed that he has no desire to erase them from history anymore like he did when he created the Special Edition. Regardless of how horrendous the quality was, he still gave people an opportunity to see the unaltered versions; as long as they don't replace the Special Editions then he won't care.
There's a reason Laserman suggested that we should call the release "GOUT" around here. Had they been released from newly scanned elements, I would have agreed with your optimistic view of George Lucas.
Like Baronlando said, it was essentially the same laserdisc we had for 13 years up to that point. No original 1977 audio, the only thing nice about it was the '77 opening crawl/flyover shot but which only managed to pour more salt in the wounds due to being taken from a better source. Lucas quote around the time of release in 2006 says it all:
"It's just the original versions, as they were. We didn't do anything to it at all. But we're not sure how many people want that... Now we'll find out whether they really wanted the original or whether they wanted the improved versions. It'll all come out in the end."
At the same time Lucasfilm was giving a PR response - the short version is in my signature.
The only thing that 2006 release showed us was that he didn't give a fuck about what customers wanted. It was a very calculated release on multiple levels. Technically they weren't even given a release, they were Bonus Features attached to a repackaging of the DVD versions of the films. Right there they basically making themselves immune to whatever critique may come up over the quality. I'm also quite certain that it was other people within the company who where fighting to include them in the first place. The very poor end result though was entirely due to him.
So, no I don't agree with your view at all. It's very possible Lucasfilms stance on this have changed now when the elephant has left the building and the company is owned by Disney. But, it still remains to be seen. (If they have the balls to do what is right or if they will wait until that stubborn billionaire is no longer with us...)
Sure, I agree that at that time Lucas was still hung up on his "true vision" and that's why the GOUT was so poor. He wanted it to be released in a subpar quality so that his versions would be the watchable ones, and it was very petty because he wanted everyone to think that if you prefer the OOT, you have to watch it in 1993 laserdisc quality. Remember though, this was in 2006, and by the time we got to the blu rays he didn't even mention his "vision" he just mentioned it being expensive and time consuming. He didn't even say it'd never happen, probably because he was already working on the Disney sale. I've always noticed George softening on his whole, "one version only" idea. In 1997 he wanted to let all copies of the trilogy deteriorate, and in 2006 he released the laserdisc on DVD which effectively "preserves" the films digitally (I know it sucked, but he did release), and then by 2011 he's just saying that he isn't interested. Not opposed to releasing them, just not interested, and he completely admitted that he was perfectly capable of doing so, while in '06 he was claiming that it was impossible to restore them.
Wazzles said:
Harmy said:
I'm not sure what you mean. The 2004 SE lightsabers in the Vader Ben duel are recomposited original elements (at least for the most part) and the RMV video seems to be exactly the same way, just with much better colors.
So I'd much rather talk about this than whatever the hell Maxim Recoil is on about, even if it has been done to death. So in the OUT (at least in the GOUT and 95 tapes), Ben's lightsaber's rotoscoping seems to "fizzle out". This was fixed in the 2004 SE (as in this picture: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--PxX2nzQ2rM/TIkhT1Yj8XI/AAAAAAAAcjM/GInu6VOLyNE/w1045-h899-no/Comp-096.jpg). Was this a part of the original element and/or in the IB print you saw?Or was it recreated digitally?
What I'm expecting is the OUT but with original effects re-composited identical to the originals (or at maybe only in some cases), like the original SE plan. I know that this wouldn't be the true original versions and am not trying to argue otherwise, but this is just what I think we can expect, and if the lightsabers are recompositions of the original elements then that would make sense. This would be a 4K remaster of the O"U"T, but without any of the changes/additions in the SE's. I could picture that being what this 4K release is
MaximRecoil said:
I didn't reply to anyone who said it was a "horrible release", I replied to someone who said:
"Regardless of how horrendous the quality was"
And my mind has yet to be changed
unamochilla2 said:
What about the anamorphic footage seen in the "Empire of Dreams" documentary back in 2004? If I remember correctly, the footage presented seemed to be better quality (at least DVD quality) than the GOUT. If so, would that suggest there was a better quality source available back in 2006 when the GOUT was released?
Yes I remember that. I vividly recall being stunned when I saw Boba Fett fall into the beakless Sarlac Pit, amongst other things, since I expected some revisionist crap where Lucas would try to make it seem like all his SE garbage was there since the beginning. I've said it before and I'll say it again. I think that the original footage, maybe not the OCN but at least the IP, is in much better condition than we all think. I would imagine that they made a duplicate of the OCN before doing the SE, which if that was made around 1995 then it shouldn't be in bad shape now, especially not if it were stored correctly.
Sure, but because of the resources Lucasfilm has available the laserdisc was the worst source available for an OUT, and was completely outdated.
msycamore said:
Disney like any other company only cares about money. That's all there is really. Yes, I'm a grumpy old cynic. But, you cannot just push all the same buttons once again and somehow think you're gonna end up with movie magic. Oh well. At least they're trying... only about 15 years too late though...
If he didn't want anyone to see the OOT again then he wouldn't have released them in 2006, the GOUT showed that he has no desire to erase them from history anymore like he did when he created the Special Edition. Regardless of how horrendous the quality was, he still gave people an opportunity to see the unaltered versions; as long as they don't replace the Special Editions then he won't care.
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/jazmyn-whitman/34/879/412
Yes, that quote from Short Round is the one I was talking about. I should've posted the link earlier
Sorry, I just checked the first page of the thread and her resume (from a different site) has already been posted here. The one I found is the same woman's linkedin page, but it says that she worked on Star Wars in early to mid 2013, which I believe is somewhat new because didn't we think that this Star Wars project was something from longer ago than that? This would mean that it is a Disney approved project, even if it did start under Lucas. This is a 43 page thread so I'm sure it's probably been mentioned before, sorry if I was repeating things.
I recently watched the new youtube video from Zombie on Star Wars News and Views about the 4K restoration. He mentioned the resumes from RMW workers so I looked it up online and found a linked in profile where the lady lists that she returned to RMW to work on "frame by frame image restoration" on Star Wars in early 2013.
Yes, and apparently Disney has already worked out the rights to Indiana Jones.
