moviefreakedmind

Jetrell Fo said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Welcome back Fo.

No need for the sarcasm Dominic. You made a statement about what I said and I’m challenging you to defend it. Simple as that and no disrespect meant or implied.

I just remembered why I don’t like engaging with you is all.

A suggestion for you then … knock at my door instead of kicking it in at first site of me. That would go a long way to creating better dialog between us. Fair enough?

That isn’t what happened.

I know it was an analogy. I was saying that your analogy didn’t even remotely resemble what actually happened. The main point being that he didn’t kick your door in “at first site of” you. It was after exchanging posts with you.

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Welcome back Fo.

No need for the sarcasm Dominic. You made a statement about what I said and I’m challenging you to defend it. Simple as that and no disrespect meant or implied.

I just remembered why I don’t like engaging with you is all.

A suggestion for you then … knock at my door instead of kicking it in at first site of me. That would go a long way to creating better dialog between us. Fair enough?

That isn’t what happened.

I thought I saw TMP too.

Jetrell Fo said:

This section of the forum is known to be very inconsistent when it comes treating people equally with regards to compassion. I am choosing the better part of valor because I feel it is the best of the choices available. I am not asking for anyone else to make the same choice.

Yeah, I don’t think “ni**** I skin your a**” (or whatever he said) really warrants compassion. As for the unequal treatment, can you please stop with that theory? No one is treated unequally here, especially not in regards to compassion. Look how helpful everyone (except of course Darth Solo) has tried to be in the Emotional Support thread.

I never really thought of Lando as much of a traitor. The Empire showed up and demanded that he turn over a criminal that he apparently hadn’t interacted with, and didn’t even like, in years. For all we know Darth Vader would’ve killed everyone in Cloud City if he didn’t comply. Then, once he realized what was happening (remember, he didn’t know that they were giving Han to a bounty hunter), he intervened and tried to save him and helped the others escape.

corellian77 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I can’t think of any other culture that I’d rather live in.

How about the cultures of countries 1 through 6?

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/overall-full-list

All of those are Western and specifically one of the East Asian cultures that I said I’d rather live in. I wouldn’t want to live in those countries though.

Alderaan said:

moviefreakedmind said:
Now this is an example of not separating between cultures and governments. It’d be like saying that having an asshole for a dictator is part of North Korean culture (although the cult-like devotion to him is part of the culture).

So if you live in the United States, particularly in low-income or middle class areas where the average enlisted personnel are drawn from, you would be familiar with the slavish patriotism many of these people and their families possess.

I did actually and “slavish patriotism,” whatever you even mean by that, isn’t a trait of most people. A lot of them hate the government and hate the wars in the Middle East too.

The kids are targeted by military recruiters or family members or peers when they are teenagers, then the mindset is cultivated into early adulthood. Some of them believe it’s a noble idea to go over to a foreign country and shoot some “sand people”, or whatever racist epithet is dujour for the day.

Yeah, I’m sure some assholes would love to go shoot “sand people,” but the idea that this is the common sentiment or how anyone views joining the military is just ridiculous. If you knew what you were talking about you would know that the reason people join the military is because it’s an excellent career that helps pay for things like education, and it provides people with no other opportunities with structure and income.

Their family members are proud that their sons and daughters are “serving their country” and “defending our freedom”, which are high ideals of course, but seldom or never is it brought up that they may simply be used pawns in a global game of kleptocracy.

Yes, you’ve got it all figured out, I’m sure.

At best, their child is just a cog in a wheel that brings death and destruction and mayhem to all those backwards people you so eagerly criticize,

OK asshole, I never criticized anybody and I never said that anyone was backwards. If you’re just going to paint me as some monster that hates people who are different, then I’m done responding to you.

Alderaan said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Alderaan said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Anyone who spends a lot of time traveling around the world comes to realize that while there are many aspects of other cultures that are bad, there are also a number of areas where other cultures are better than ours. In my travels I’ve been struck by some areas where our U.S. culture is really bad compared to others. To wit:

• In most cultures, families care for their elderly relatives. We largely abandon our elderly.
• In most cultures, being uneducated in math or science is considered embarrassing. Here it is often a badge of honor.
• Most cultures know a LOT about what is going on in other countries. Here, we mostly have very little idea what is going on outside of the U.S.
• Most cultures have far less obesity than we do.
• Most cultures revere educators. Here, educators are routinely derided.
• Most cultures eat more vegetables and less sugar than we do.
• Most cultures drive far less than we do.
• In most cultures, everyone knows their neighbors.
• Most cultures revolve around small, local businesses. Here, Wal-Mart rules.
• Most cultures value money less than ours.
• Most cultures value art MUCH more highly than ours.
• Most cultures have less violent crime, and far fewer shootings than ours.

My point is, we may be “great”, but we’re not even close to perfect. We can learn a LOT from other cultures, and would benefit from adopting many aspects of other cultures. Which leads me to my final example - most cultures (with a couple of notable exceptions) aren’t as gol-darn stubbornly insistent that they are better than everyone else!!!

Great post, Puggo. People like to focus on the aspects of other cultures that they feel are inferior to theirs, and sure there are always going to be some things like that. But then, like you said, even cultures we might think are backwards, will be superior to ours in some ways.

Yeah, but I don’t think that having better art or better food makes up for stuff like honor killing, female genital mutilation, and marriage to youth. I doubt you do either.

No, I don’t agree with those things. And I don’t think they necessarily have better art or food, although they could. But do they remote pilot drones across the globe and drop bombs on wedding parties?

Now this is an example of not separating between cultures and governments. It’d be like saying that having an asshole for a dictator is part of North Korean culture (although the cult-like devotion to him is part of the culture).

Do they pedal porn and violence towards youths?

What pornographic companies advertise to youth? As for violence, if you’re talking about violence in media, I don’t care about that at all; there’s no evidence that it is harmful at all.

Maybe they have a better education system, seeing as how American students are ranked near the bottom of the developed world at reading comprehension and math scores.

I doubt that most of the cultures I’ve alluded to have better education systems. Maybe they value education more than in the US, which is certainly good, but I’m still in favor of a lesser education system than widespread acceptance of religious extremism or female genital mutilation. I suspect that you probably are too.

Maybe they have lower divorce rates and therefore children aren’t being raised by over-worked, single parents.

Maybe.

They may have less inequality and better health care. And on and on it goes.

Most non-Western countries don’t. I wouldn’t say that’s cultural anyway though. Ultimately this was just a list of things that other nondescript cultures might be better at, which isn’t even contrary to what I’ve been saying. So far no one has really contradicted what I’ve been saying.

Alderaan said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Anyone who spends a lot of time traveling around the world comes to realize that while there are many aspects of other cultures that are bad, there are also a number of areas where other cultures are better than ours. In my travels I’ve been struck by some areas where our U.S. culture is really bad compared to others. To wit:

• In most cultures, families care for their elderly relatives. We largely abandon our elderly.
• In most cultures, being uneducated in math or science is considered embarrassing. Here it is often a badge of honor.
• Most cultures know a LOT about what is going on in other countries. Here, we mostly have very little idea what is going on outside of the U.S.
• Most cultures have far less obesity than we do.
• Most cultures revere educators. Here, educators are routinely derided.
• Most cultures eat more vegetables and less sugar than we do.
• Most cultures drive far less than we do.
• In most cultures, everyone knows their neighbors.
• Most cultures revolve around small, local businesses. Here, Wal-Mart rules.
• Most cultures value money less than ours.
• Most cultures value art MUCH more highly than ours.
• Most cultures have less violent crime, and far fewer shootings than ours.

My point is, we may be “great”, but we’re not even close to perfect. We can learn a LOT from other cultures, and would benefit from adopting many aspects of other cultures. Which leads me to my final example - most cultures (with a couple of notable exceptions) aren’t as gol-darn stubbornly insistent that they are better than everyone else!!!

Great post, Puggo. People like to focus on the aspects of other cultures that they feel are inferior to theirs, and sure there are always going to be some things like that. But then, like you said, even cultures we might think are backwards, will be superior to ours in some ways.

Yeah, but I don’t think that having better art or better food makes up for stuff like honor killing, female genital mutilation, and marriage to youth. I doubt you do either.

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

moviefreakedmind said:

My main points was that I can’t think of any other culture that I’d rather live in. So far no one has even told me that they disagree with that.

But I’ll bet that is true for almost every culture. While it is true that many people are eager to come here, it probably is rarely because of our culture.

Probably, and “better” is of course subjective, but I have no problem saying that cultures that in many ways revolve around female subjugation and religious fundamentalism are, as a whole, more troublesome than Western culture. I suspect that you feel the same way.

I was never saying that American culture is better in all aspects. The familial bonds of foreign cultures is one of the positives of other cultures that I was thinking of. My main points was that I can’t think of any other culture that I’d rather live in. So far no one has even told me that they disagree with that.

Alderaan said:

In this thread we learned that people don’t like cultures different from their own. Great.

It took you reading this thread to figure that out? Whatever, you clearly didn’t get what I said.

I know that a lot of fans who talk about the prequels as though they’re the worst films ever tend to watch them from time to time. I actually don’t think the prequels are among the worst films ever, but I don’t enjoy them at all and I plan on never watching them ever again. If any of you are here, what exactly is the appeal of revisiting and somewhat frequently rewatching films that you can’t stand?

Handman said:

We did both.

Highly illogical.

There’s some truth to it. Your first post in response to my thing really shows that.

Here it is for reference:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Western culture and parts of East Asian culture is better than all others that I can think of.

Excuse me? Did I just hear you say that the African culture is inferior to Western Culture? Also, what exactly do you mean by East Asian? Because if that doesn’t include China, you just said something about the culture my niece came from that is really going to set me off.

Fang Zei said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Fang Zei said:

nickyd47 said:

SilverWook said:

That a documentary made in 2004 wasn’t shot in HD, (if only to future proof it) is weird.

So if anything, we’ll get an upscaled version of it

I feel like we don’t really know.

Did the guy who blabbed about it provide any kind of details?

Just that there were delays with Lucasfilm giving him the prints of the unaltered footage and that he was worried that if they wanted it soon they’d have to upscale things. This was about two years ago though.

Implying that they were actually doing a fresh scan of the unaltered material for the first time in decades? Interesting…

It was not clear what the delays were. He admitted to not knowing so it could have been anything from the scans being a work in progress to them not even doing scans. If the blu-ray forum man is right, then Disney/Lucasfilm has scanned, or is scanning, all of its Star Wars material in 4K.

Yep. My point, which you just proved, is that she has no more attachment to Chinese culture than you or I do since I’m assuming your sibling that adopted her is from America. That really wasn’t even my point anyway, but it’s what I was conveying with that post.

EDIT: You also ignored the second, and most important, half of my post.

Fang Zei said:

nickyd47 said:

SilverWook said:

That a documentary made in 2004 wasn’t shot in HD, (if only to future proof it) is weird.

So if anything, we’ll get an upscaled version of it

I feel like we don’t really know.

Did the guy who blabbed about it provide any kind of details?

Just that there were delays with Lucasfilm giving him the prints of the unaltered footage and that he was worried that if they wanted it soon they’d have to upscale things. This was about two years ago though.

My point was that I can’t think of any cultures other than Western and East Asian ones that I’d (or anyone I know) would prefer to live in. As for having a cavalier attitude toward culture, I guess I might. I honestly really enjoy examining and learning about different cultures, and I enjoy certain aspects about all of them. I just don’t like to shrug off troublesome things purely because they’re part of a culture that someone cares a lot about. The subordinate position of women in Islam is an aspect of Islamic culture that a lot of people in the Muslim world, men and women, find very important. Should we refrain from criticizing or condemning that because it’s important to them?

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Western culture and parts of East Asian culture is better than all others that I can think of.

Excuse me? Did I just hear you say that the African culture is inferior to Western Culture? Also, what exactly do you mean by East Asian? Because if that doesn’t include China, you just said something about the culture my niece came from that is really going to set me off.

By the way, I forgot to mention this earlier, but you’ve brought your niece into political discussions multiple times and then proceeded to get angry about it. No one on this forum has ever brought up your niece. They never have and never will, so please stop.

When Chinese culture is brought up, by default it includes my niece. When it is brought up that those not born citizens can’t be President, it involves my niece. Don’t like it? Too bad.

You said Western culture and parts of East Asian culture are better than all others. Well naturally, the begs the question exactly what is and is not “parts of East Asian culture”. The naturally follows for me to wonder whether or not this includes China. If not, then you must be saying that Western Culture and parts of East Asian culture are better than the culture my niece came from. Naturally, saying such a thing would upset me. Don’t like it? Too bad.

You are the one who struggles to separate people from culture. Being Chinese doesn’t mean you came from any culture. Didn’t you say she was adopted? Is she even old enough to more than tacitly subscribe to any culture? Even if someone exemplifies the most problematic aspects of a culture it doesn’t mean that I have a problem with them because of it. To use the women in Islam example, I don’t automatically judge the character of a lady in a hijab or burka even though I can’t stand that cultural and religious practice.

I couldn’t even sit through it once. It’s not funny and it’s not exciting and it’s two hours long. I’d probably rather watch all three prequels in a row than the Holiday Special once.

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Western culture and parts of East Asian culture is better than all others that I can think of.

Excuse me? Did I just hear you say that the African culture is inferior to Western Culture? Also, what exactly do you mean by East Asian? Because if that doesn’t include China, you just said something about the culture my niece came from that is really going to set me off.

By the way, I forgot to mention this earlier, but you’ve brought your niece into political discussions multiple times and then proceeded to get angry about it. No one on this forum has ever brought up your niece. They never have and never will, so please stop.

Handman said:

The Star Wars Holiday Special (1978) 2/5

I really don’t understand this. Do you actually find the Holiday Special watchable?

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Western culture and parts of East Asian culture is better than all others that I can think of.

Excuse me? Did I just hear you say that the African culture is inferior to Western Culture? Also, what exactly do you mean by East Asian? Because if that doesn’t include China, you just said something about the culture my niece came from that is really going to set me off.

You didn’t hear anything, you read things. There are a lot of very troublesome aspects of “African culture”. I put “African culture” in quotes because Africa is not a homogenous place; it’s made up of a variety of people and cultures, but female genital mutilation, honor killing, superstition, and religious violence are very prominent throughout the continent. I said parts of East Asia because I think that Japan and South Korea are very stable and lovely countries that I suspect I’d enjoy living in as much as the United States. Funnily enough, I actually said “parts of East Asia” in order to exclude China because a prominent element of the culture there, especially after the Communist revolution wiped out much of their earlier culture, is to put industry and work ahead of health and safety. Obviously this is primarily a government thing, but it extends to a lot of families too. Look, for example, at the children that are given to olympic training camps based on genetics that are overworked in order to win gold medals for China, and then discarded if they’re injured, if they fail, or even just once they get too old. You apparently think that by culture I’m referring to people, and if that’s the case then you have no idea what I’m talking about. People are people wherever you go. I also don’t think that any cultures are perfect and there are positives to almost every culture (except for maybe any cultural aspects specific to North Korea), but I think that it’s ridiculous to say that they’re all equally good, or to say that I have to respect something that I think is terrible because it’s a part of someone’s culture.

EDIT: Just so I’m clear, I don’t agree with what that asshole in the article is talking about. He’s clearly referring to interracial marriage and cloaking his bullshit with an argument based on cultures when he’s obviously talking about race.

Not that it has been completed, just that somebody says they worked on it.

Western culture and parts of East Asian culture is better than all others that I can think of. If you disagree then name one place you’d rather live.