They also had Hillary at 90% winning… I’ll believe it when I see it.
Not true. On election day they had it at 71%. Given the popular vote turnout, that wasn’t an unreasonable prediction. Even if they did put her at 90%, that still isn’t a 100% chance. 1/10 isn’t even close to impossible.
The only parenting decision that I support is not having kids.
I call everybody by the obscene, derogatory nickname that I give them.
FiveThirtyEight puts a Democratic majority in the House at an 83% chance with a median of a 36-seat gain.
I doubt that Democrats will fail to take a majority in the House. They won’t take the Senate, though.
No institution has been as bad as the Catholic Church in this respect. To be fair, though, no institution operates on such a global scale as the Catholic Church does. As for the current Pope’s “mild” and “minimal” overtures to the LGBT community, I award him no points for that. Francis deserves to be in prison just as much as his predecessor.
I decided to make this thread to compile as many examples of brutal or negligent crimes committed by American police officers. There are so damn many examples every single day that it would just clutter the politics thread if I put them all there. Share away!
Reposts from the Politics thread:
Update on the cowardly Parkland cop that chose to let nearly 20 people die in the shooting in order to keep himself out of danger:
No justice in campus police murder over the summer:
I also don’t recall ever having to call anyone at work by their first name. Even when I was only about fifteen and got my first job I never had to call anyone sir or ma’am or anything like that.
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Ugh, I hate cops so much. What a pig.
https://www.vox.com/2018/9/13/17854970/bakersfield-california-mass-shooting
Almost no one seems to care about this shooting.
I’m no fan of religion (well, except the FSM). However, is the abuse rate any higher in the catholic church than in other religions? Or even when compared to large secular organizations? I haven’t seen any such statistics, and I wonder if it is just an unfortunate aspect of humanity in general.
It’s not just that, it’s the institutional coverups. If any secular organization, or even a smaller religious institution, did that, then they’d be brought down immediately after it came to light.
I definitely didn’t infer that argument from anyone’s posts.
I believe in people being brought to justice for crimes. Rosemary’s Baby is still a favorite of mine. I don’t discard things because the person behind it did something monstrous.
I actually just admit that I give artists a pass for most things short of outright criminality. Too few talented people in this world.
I actually agree with that. I wasn’t referring to her and I meant when I said that they’re one in the same that both sides agreed on firing James Gunn.
I’ve made it pretty clear before that I don’t believe that anybody actually likes the Holiday Special. I know that’s really conspiratorial and ridiculous, but I refuse to believe that anybody claiming to enjoy the Holiday Special is telling me the truth.
I love it.
I don’t believe you. I’m sorry, I just can’t bring myself to believe that.
James Gunn is a perfect example of someone shut down for political reasons over “offensive” comments that no one should’ve been surprised by. The alt-right hate mob and the left-wing hate mob are in alignment when it comes to deplatforming people.
That’s Trump fulfilling his campaign promise. His supporters like this kind of thing, tragically.
I’ve made it pretty clear before that I don’t believe that anybody actually likes the Holiday Special. I know that’s really conspiratorial and ridiculous, but I refuse to believe that anybody claiming to enjoy the Holiday Special is telling me the truth.
Hardwick’s accusations were lies. They were obviously made up by a really unstable person and the claims were inconsistent with reality. I don’t get this notion that there aren’t liars out there. That really confuses me; of course there are. That’s why we have real trials.
I don’t see how they were “obviously made up.”
It seemed pretty obvious to me and most other people that actually looked at it objectively.
I did though? I had never heard of Dykstra and was actually a fan of Hardwick’s. I’ve yet to see anything that doesn’t fit the story as described by her.
There’s no corroborating evidence, in fact, all other testimony contradicts her claims. Plus, all of her known behavior during their relationship implies her as an “abusive” partner. There’s reason to believe that she resented him ending the relationship. She’s mentally ill and has a long history of lying. There is no reason to believe that she’s telling the truth, and there’s compelling evidence to believe that she’s lying. I don’t get why that’s such an unbelievable possibility.
Just because no evidence has been presented doesn’t mean none exists. As for the rest I’d be interested to see citations. But I will say the story she published would seem to suggest that her apparent “mental illness” was either caused by or not helped by the relationship. For me, hearing Hardwick’s coworkers come out and say “that sounds about right” seems pretty damning, but I don’t know everything. Just seems insane to me to say “she’s obviously lying.” Never said it was an impossibility that she is but just doesn’t seem likely to me.
Society has been infantilized to the point where any real challenge cannot even be comprehended. I am upset that I have to share this earth with them, even moreso that I am young, that the reasonable people will die off before I do.
The irony is that you’re being just as emotional and irrational as you claim they are.
I’m not crying or demanding someone lose their job for upsetting me.
How dare someone cry? Don’t you think that maybe some of those people might consider Norm a hero, and the fact that he is disparaging something that is important to them could make them quite emotional. What if they had suffered sexual abuse? Don’t you think that could make their feelings especially strong on the matter?
You’re really reaching, aren’t you? No one should be crying over this. Honestly, I don’t even believe that anyone actually cares about this enough to cry about it, especially not soulless producers who’s sheer existence is to squeeze every dime they can out of any and everything. This is a manufactured controversy. Everyone on earth will forget about it two days from now.
It’s not reaching, it’s speculating how someone else might have that sort of reaction. Whereas some people take their own personal feelings as the only reasonable ones to have in any given situation, I understand that not everyone is like me and has had my life. (it’s called empathy)
Yeah, I don’t need your lesson on empathy.
Sorry if I though the concept was foreign to you, don’t know what made me think that.
I’m pretty conscious of other people’s perspectives. I disregard them a lot, but I am conscious of them. You disregard people who irritate you. You’ve done it to me quite a bit, actually. And that’s fine! I expect nothing less. One of the reasons that I don’t give a shit about how most people feel is because no one gives a shit about how I feel. It’s a fair trade.
I’m not sure what you mean by me “disregarding.” I disagree a lot. But I don’t disregard someone else’s experiences. I don’t know why you’re so nihilistic but I’m sure there’s a reason. Doesn’t mean I can’t disagree with you.
You were pretty quick to throw aside my take on 13 Reasons Why a while back, and there’ve been other times too. It’s okay, we all do it.
Well it was unfair of me to discredit your perspective without considering that it might be a factor, but in fairness that’s exactly what you were doing with your take, basically saying anyone who didn’t see things the same way you did was wrong.
That really wasn’t even quite what my take was. I was saying no subject should be off limits in storytelling just because of people get disturbed by it. There are movies and TV shows with messages or content that I find wrong or disgusting. It may affect my appreciation for the movie, but that’s it. I don’t think it should be off limits or shouldn’t be depicted in film.
‘German Catholic priests ‘abused thousands of children’’…
It’s just sick. The fact that the Catholic Church has lasted so long with so many evil people (if they can be called that) in the ranks of its clergy is a miracle (and I mean that quite literally). I hope they think hell is worth it.
There’s no reason to believe hell is real, but obviously they don’t think it’ll happen to them. Then again, Christ never bothered to condemn child molestation and the Church has done everything imaginable to accommodate them. It makes me wonder if they even consider it a problem. Judging by the behavior of the Church hierarchy, this type of behavior is something that they want to preserve. If not, then why have it as an official policy to never go to the police, and instead transfer the offender to an unsuspecting parish?
There aren’t enough funny people in this world to start throwing them aside over something like that.
That’s not true at all.
What? Are you kidding? Have you spoken to people before? Almost none of them are funny or talented in any way.
There are nearly 8 billion people in the world. Just because most of them are not talented or funny doesn’t mean we are at a loss for talented and funny people. There’s plenty.
Hard disagree there.
I don’t see how the accusations against Ansari or Hardwick were fraudulent. I don’t understand why people are so desperate to think accusers are lying, when putting yourself out there in that way is just putting a target on your back. There’s not much perceivable benefit.
I don’t get the benefit either, but that doesn’t mean that those accusations weren’t obviously bullshit. The Ansari ones seemed to be just an airing of a bad, uncomfortable date.
How does that make it fraudulent?
It was an attempt to smear him over something that had no business being in the public sphere. Fraudulent may be the wrong word. Unethical? Exploitative? Take your pick.
I think it’s a story worth having a conversation about, as it is unbecoming behavior yet quite common. I don’t know if Ansari should have been named as it lumps him into a different group of people, where people might unfairly judge without having any concept of what happened (just having heard his name raised). I wouldn’t call it unethical or exploitative, however.
It’s unethical and exploitative for the reason you just mentioned. It took advantage of the MeToo movement in order to lump someone in with a much, much worse group of people.
Hardwick’s accusations were lies. They were obviously made up by a really unstable person and the claims were inconsistent with reality. I don’t get this notion that there aren’t liars out there. That really confuses me; of course there are. That’s why we have real trials.
I don’t see how they were “obviously made up.”
It seemed pretty obvious to me and most other people that actually looked at it objectively.
I did though? I had never heard of Dykstra and was actually a fan of Hardwick’s. I’ve yet to see anything that doesn’t fit the story as described by her.
There’s no corroborating evidence, in fact, all other testimony contradicts her claims. Plus, all of her known behavior during their relationship implies her as an “abusive” partner. There’s reason to believe that she resented him ending the relationship. She’s mentally ill and has a long history of lying. There is no reason to believe that she’s telling the truth, and there’s compelling evidence to believe that she’s lying. I don’t get why that’s such an unbelievable possibility.
Norm Macdonald Tonight Show Appearance Cancelled After #MeToo Comments
This really pisses me off. Not only are his comments reasonable, they have nothing to do with what anyone is getting upset at. And of course, the best way to traverse a controversy is to deny the man in the middle of it a voice.
Even moreso, his comments had made senior producers of the show cry. I am not sure how we as a society can continue if we cry over a differing viewpoint. Everyone upset at him has taken his comments out of context and misconstrued them. The man is a comedian ffs.
The internet freaking sucks. This groupthink mentality is killing us.
How the hell were his comments reasonable?
It’s insane how people will always defend the dipshit over the people who are actually hurt.
I don’t know. Did you actually read them? He’s saying we don’t give people due process or anything before taking away their livelihood. He mentions Chris Hardwick, a guy who did actually lose his job before he could prove his ex-girlfriend who had accused him of abuse was crazy.
Yes I did. He said that those losing their jobs (due to their own behavior) have it worse off than those actually being raped and harassed.
He was talking about Roseanne and Louis CK. No one was raped or even terribly harassed by them.
He gave them as examples. But it was in regard to talking about the movement in general.
Those examples imply that he was talking about the ones that weren’t that bad, and not talking about people like Spacey or Cosby or Weinstein, who are the real dangerous people.
Either way, he’s discounting the experiences of those abused. I’d like to believe he was telling the truth in his apology when he said he didn’t mean it that way. But that’s still how it came across.
Okay. That’s his problem. I don’t see the need to boot him off shows for that. That’s my point. There’s plenty of people that I hate showing up on TV and in movies. I deal with it.
It was one show appearance.
This is what Norm said:
So Jimmy said, ‘Come back whenever you want, but I think it will hurt the show tonight.’
I still think it’s a bad way to handle things.
Society has been infantilized to the point where any real challenge cannot even be comprehended. I am upset that I have to share this earth with them, even moreso that I am young, that the reasonable people will die off before I do.
The irony is that you’re being just as emotional and irrational as you claim they are.
I’m not crying or demanding someone lose their job for upsetting me.
How dare someone cry? Don’t you think that maybe some of those people might consider Norm a hero, and the fact that he is disparaging something that is important to them could make them quite emotional. What if they had suffered sexual abuse? Don’t you think that could make their feelings especially strong on the matter?
You’re really reaching, aren’t you? No one should be crying over this. Honestly, I don’t even believe that anyone actually cares about this enough to cry about it, especially not soulless producers who’s sheer existence is to squeeze every dime they can out of any and everything. This is a manufactured controversy. Everyone on earth will forget about it two days from now.
It’s not reaching, it’s speculating how someone else might have that sort of reaction. Whereas some people take their own personal feelings as the only reasonable ones to have in any given situation, I understand that not everyone is like me and has had my life. (it’s called empathy)
Yeah, I don’t need your lesson on empathy.
Sorry if I though the concept was foreign to you, don’t know what made me think that.
I’m pretty conscious of other people’s perspectives. I disregard them a lot, but I am conscious of them. You disregard people who irritate you. You’ve done it to me quite a bit, actually. And that’s fine! I expect nothing less. One of the reasons that I don’t give a shit about how most people feel is because no one gives a shit about how I feel. It’s a fair trade.
I’m not sure what you mean by me “disregarding.” I disagree a lot. But I don’t disregard someone else’s experiences. I don’t know why you’re so nihilistic but I’m sure there’s a reason. Doesn’t mean I can’t disagree with you.
You were pretty quick to throw aside my take on 13 Reasons Why a while back, and there’ve been other times too. It’s okay, we all do it.
I just don’t understand being angry at someone for crying. Again, you can disagree with them, sure. But being mad at them for crying when you literally don’t know anything about them? And when the fact that they’re crying is being told to you third hand?
I’m not angry. I just don’t think that it’s happened.
I was talking about the producers, who I bet my life aren’t crying over sexual assault. I’m sure some person with PTSD that loves Norm Macdonald and hates what he said would cry, I guess, but that’s not who I was talking about and you know it.
That’s just crazy. You don’t know who those producers are, plain and simple. The fact that you think it’s impossible for a producer to be a human being or to have PTSD and love Norm Macdonald is absolutely insane.
I find it incredibly hard to believe that these producers were in tears over this comment. I find that hard to believe. Just like if I told you that I was in tears over Warbler’s insults, you’d find that extremely hard to believe. Not literally impossible, but so implausible that it probably didn’t happen. I don’t get why you’re acting as though it’s totally reasonable to think that multiple big-shot producers on the Tonight Show are unstable that they broke down into tears and started crying over this statement. Do you really think that that happened? Really? If someone held a gun to your head and said, “Do you really think that those producers started crying over that statement? Answer yes or no!” would you even have to think twice about your answer?
I know you well enough to know that an insult from warb wouldn’t provoke that reaction. But these people who were supposedly crying, I know nothing about them. It’s honestly ridiculous to me that we’re even talking about this.
Right! And I know that anyone strong and cutthroat enough to climb the corporate ladder and become a producer for the biggest late night talk show on American TV isn’t breaking down in tears over Norm Macdonald. Is it possible that a producer could cry over this? Yes. Is it likely? No.
I’m still not convinced that anyone actually cried over this, though. I know it’s possible but I find it hard to believe.
I don’t know if it’s true either. I don’t know why someone should care so much whether someone else cries or not.
I’m certainly not losing sleep over it. I’m talking about it now because I have nothing else to do at the moment. I certainly am not going to be spending this time working. You really like to assume that whenever someone brings something up or gets annoyed at something that they’re fixated on it. It’s obnoxious.
Oh I know you don’t care. I was talking about Handman.
I don’t see how that invalidates anything. Imagine how annoying it would be if every time you complained about something, someone was there to point out how you shouldn’t actually care. Have a little empathy.
Norm Macdonald Tonight Show Appearance Cancelled After #MeToo Comments
This really pisses me off. Not only are his comments reasonable, they have nothing to do with what anyone is getting upset at. And of course, the best way to traverse a controversy is to deny the man in the middle of it a voice.
Even moreso, his comments had made senior producers of the show cry. I am not sure how we as a society can continue if we cry over a differing viewpoint. Everyone upset at him has taken his comments out of context and misconstrued them. The man is a comedian ffs.
The internet freaking sucks. This groupthink mentality is killing us.
How the hell were his comments reasonable?
It’s insane how people will always defend the dipshit over the people who are actually hurt.
I don’t know. Did you actually read them? He’s saying we don’t give people due process or anything before taking away their livelihood. He mentions Chris Hardwick, a guy who did actually lose his job before he could prove his ex-girlfriend who had accused him of abuse was crazy.
Yes I did. He said that those losing their jobs (due to their own behavior) have it worse off than those actually being raped and harassed.
He was talking about Roseanne and Louis CK. No one was raped or even terribly harassed by them.
He gave them as examples. But it was in regard to talking about the movement in general.
Those examples imply that he was talking about the ones that weren’t that bad, and not talking about people like Spacey or Cosby or Weinstein, who are the real dangerous people.
Either way, he’s discounting the experiences of those abused. I’d like to believe he was telling the truth in his apology when he said he didn’t mean it that way. But that’s still how it came across.
Okay. That’s his problem. I don’t see the need to boot him off shows for that. That’s my point. There’s plenty of people that I hate showing up on TV and in movies. I deal with it.
Not to mention, in the case of Hardwick, Dykstra’s career was hurt being of him. And of course Hardwick is back on air now? So in what way is what Norm saying reasonable?
He was immediately taken off the air until he could prove that Dykstra was lying about him, which, fortunately for him, he was able to do and he managed to be spared. Of course his name being cleared got only a fraction of the coverage that the false accusations got.
Did he actually prove she was lying though? Or did they just not prove she wasn’t not not lying?
He proved that her allegations were completely unfounded and incongruent with how their relationship actually was, especially since it was well documented that she was the “abusive” (if you want to use that word) one in the relationship before it ended.
Unless I missed something, I don’t think some break up texts really an really prove everything you say they do.
She also cheated on him and resented that he ended their relationship.
Society has been infantilized to the point where any real challenge cannot even be comprehended. I am upset that I have to share this earth with them, even moreso that I am young, that the reasonable people will die off before I do.
The irony is that you’re being just as emotional and irrational as you claim they are.
I’m not crying or demanding someone lose their job for upsetting me.
How dare someone cry? Don’t you think that maybe some of those people might consider Norm a hero, and the fact that he is disparaging something that is important to them could make them quite emotional. What if they had suffered sexual abuse? Don’t you think that could make their feelings especially strong on the matter?
You’re really reaching, aren’t you? No one should be crying over this. Honestly, I don’t even believe that anyone actually cares about this enough to cry about it, especially not soulless producers who’s sheer existence is to squeeze every dime they can out of any and everything. This is a manufactured controversy. Everyone on earth will forget about it two days from now.
It’s not reaching, it’s speculating how someone else might have that sort of reaction. Whereas some people take their own personal feelings as the only reasonable ones to have in any given situation, I understand that not everyone is like me and has had my life. (it’s called empathy)
Yeah, I don’t need your lesson on empathy.
Sorry if I though the concept was foreign to you, don’t know what made me think that.
I’m pretty conscious of other people’s perspectives. I disregard them a lot, but I am conscious of them. You disregard people who irritate you. You’ve done it to me quite a bit, actually. And that’s fine! I expect nothing less. One of the reasons that I don’t give a shit about how most people feel is because no one gives a shit about how I feel. It’s a fair trade.
I was talking about the producers, who I bet my life aren’t crying over sexual assault. I’m sure some person with PTSD that loves Norm Macdonald and hates what he said would cry, I guess, but that’s not who I was talking about and you know it.
That’s just crazy. You don’t know who those producers are, plain and simple. The fact that you think it’s impossible for a producer to be a human being or to have PTSD and love Norm Macdonald is absolutely insane.
I find it incredibly hard to believe that these producers were in tears over this comment. I find that hard to believe. Just like if I told you that I was in tears over Warbler’s insults, you’d find that extremely hard to believe. Not literally impossible, but so implausible that it probably didn’t happen. I don’t get why you’re acting as though it’s totally reasonable to think that multiple big-shot producers on the Tonight Show are unstable that they broke down into tears and started crying over this statement. Do you really think that that happened? Really? If someone held a gun to your head and said, “Do you really think that those producers started crying over that statement? Answer yes or no!” would you even have to think twice about your answer?
I’m still not convinced that anyone actually cried over this, though. I know it’s possible but I find it hard to believe.
I don’t know if it’s true either. I don’t know why someone should care so much whether someone else cries or not.
I’m certainly not losing sleep over it. I’m talking about it now because I have nothing else to do at the moment. I certainly am not going to be spending this time working. You really like to assume that whenever someone brings something up or gets annoyed at something that they’re fixated on it. It’s obnoxious.
Also, that’s not what producers do. Like, at all.
It was just my summation.
You’re talking about a different job entirely.
Well, I fuck everything up so that’s okay. What do you expect?