moviefreakedmind

No, that’s not at all what Warbler was talking about.

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

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TV’s Frink said:

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TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Great post. If someone gave me a magic wand and said I could “cure” my daughter today, I wouldn’t do it, because she’d no longer be the girl I love, she’d be someone different.

I see multiple problems with that approach. One is, should you have the right decide she shouldn’t have “the cure” if one existed? What if she would want to be cured? Another is, why wouldn’t she be the girl you love? I mean, you don’t love her just because she has autism right? If she had never had autism, you still would have loved her, right? Also how would she be someone different? She would just be your daughter without autism. Your daughter is defined by more than just autism. She a person and would still be that same person if her autism were cured. If your daughter had cancer and that got cured, would she be someone different after she was cured? Myself, if I had kid with autism and there was a cure, I’d want him/her to have it(but I will not be so arrogant to deny the possibility that my opinion would be altered if I actually had a child with autism). Why would I want to deny him/her the opportunity live free of autism, to be free of all of its problems?

Call me stupid, clueless, bigoted or whatever, but I don’t get it.

edit: I really hope I haven’t offended by any of what I said in this post, because that wasn’t my intent. Keep in mind that I have no family members with autism. I don’t know anyone that does. So if I have offended, it is because of my own ignorance of the issues.

I’m not offended, they are fair questions.

Cancer does not fundamentally change your brain the way autism does. My daughter has challenges that neurotypicals do not,

neurotypicals? You mean people without autism?

Yes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurotypical

Another way to look at is this - if I could go back and have my first daughter not be stillborn, would I? I don’t know, because it would change the course of our history. Our second child might have been a boy instead of a girl. We might have only had one child, and almost certainly wouldn’t have had three…so our younger daughter would basically cease to exist. “Curing” my daughter’s autism would essentially erase her from this world, replaced by a different girl.

Here we are talking about the problems of altering history as opposed to the issues of curing something. I’d love to go back in time and break my father’s fall so he’d still be with us, but I don’t think I should be allowed to mess with history like that.

My point is that simply “curing” an autistic person would not just be a simple do-it-and-it’s-over thing (assuming a cure existed) and that it has ripple effects, and rather large ones at that. Choosing to go back and have my first daughter survive would change everything that came after it, and so would “curing” my autistic daughter.

Lastly, the argument that she should be the one to have the choice is a compelling one, however I don’t think she is old enough to make that choice (if the choice were available to us). If we were given a magic wand and were told we could choose to wave it any time in the next ten years, I might feel differently ten years down the road.

But here is the problem. If I am understanding autism at all, in order to truly cure iy, it would have to be done sometime early in brain development, way before she was 18 and could decide for herself. This brings up yet another issue. Are people with autism capable of making their own decisions? We are talking about a problem with the mind here. What if “curing” your daughter were the only way to bring her to a state of mind where she could make her own decisions?

My daughter has Asperger’s and is high functioning. She can make decisions already, but at her age I wouldn’t want her making lots of unimportant non-Asperger’s related decisions just because of her age (like if she should watch 14 hours of tv today). My statement was more in relation to the fact that she’s too young to be making certain decisions, independent of her neuro condition.

understood, but as I said before, if I understand things correctly. The only time would be possible to truly “cure” autism is at a time before brain development. This would be way before she could make her own decisions you would have to decide one way or the other. Also this would be before you even knew of any ripple effects.

Consider a story: a man was in a car with his sister. A horrible car accident occurs. The sister is killed. The man is seriously injured. He is brought to a hospital. While there, he meets a nurse and falls in love with her and they eventually marry and have kids. One of this kids grows up and finds the cure for cancer. Now it can argued that that accident had ripples and without the ripples with children would not have been born and cancer would not have been cured. Still, you would not tell someone driving with their not try to avoid a car accident if they could, would you?

We aren’t talking about this, at least I’m not. I’m talking about waving a magic wand and “curing” my daughter’s autism. So I would know the person she used to be and the person she became, and I would fear the consequences.

I guess it is more complicated than I originally realized. Still, what if I were to go back in time to a point before your daughter’s brain developed. What if I were to tell the Frink of that time that his daughter had autism and gave him a magic wand to cure it. What would he say?

I’m not even a parent and I know that that is a ridiculous hypothetical question to ask a parent to answer. It’s like I said earlier, maybe someday they’ll figure out enough about the causes to determine how to prevent it from happening, but “curing” autism isn’t even a possibility.

I don’t see how he’s entertaining. None of his posts are funny.

I didn’t hate it, I just thought it was boring.

Warbler said:

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moviefreakedmind said:

It’s a great example of how the Republican Party does not believe in Americans’ constitutional right to privacy. I’m sure the so-called strict constitutionalist conservatives like Ben Shapiro have already BSed a justification for this.

Did you mean this or were you being sarcastic?

Of course it isn’t sarcastic.

Sorry. I’m bad at detecting whether something is sarcasm or not.

Generally speaking people don’t make sarcastic statements that are completely reasonable responses to a comment without even a subtle tongue-in-cheek angle to it. I’m not saying I’ve never done it before, I probably have, but as a rule that’s generally the case.

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

It’s a great example of how the Republican Party does not believe in Americans’ constitutional right to privacy. I’m sure the so-called strict constitutionalist conservatives like Ben Shapiro have already BSed a justification for this.

Did you mean this or were you being sarcastic?

Of course it isn’t sarcastic.

It turned rainbow. I don’t like the whole, “I did something with a specific color so that means I’m contributing!” mindset anyway.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Damned if you do and damned if you don’t. Fuck everybody.

😉

Well, autism isn’t something that you can “cure” in somebody. Now, if it were focused on determining specific causes and means of prevention, that would be different.

How do you know we won’t be able to cure in the future(maybe a couple hundred years from now)?

Maybe we could prevent people from being born with it, but it isn’t a disease that can be “cured” like the flu. It’s a condition affects the development and functioning of the brain and types of physical and social development too. It’s beyond even making a crippled person walk again or giving a blind person sight.

It’s a great example of how the Republican Party does not believe in Americans’ constitutional right to privacy. I’m sure the so-called strict constitutionalist conservatives like Ben Shapiro have already BSed a justification for this.

They might release a new transfer of the Special Editions, but I don’t think that it would be a big announcement.

Why would a presumably limited rerelease of the original Star Wars movies even be on their timeline of blockbusters?

Jetrell Fo said:

Damned if you do and damned if you don’t. Fuck everybody.

😉

Well, autism isn’t something that you can “cure” in somebody. Now, if it were focused on determining specific causes and means of prevention, that would be different.

Warbler said:

Ok, you two turn off all your connections to the internet for a week, see how you fare.

As Possessed pointed out, I’m not struggling with uncontrollable impulses in regards to the internet. I could, and have, gone without internet for a week. In fact, I’ve gone without internet for decades before. 😉

DuracellEnergizer said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I know, I’m just enjoying coming up with new ways of invoking God in this thread.

You’ve gotta try it with Hebrew. Nothing beats calling on Yahweh in the original language.

Or YHWH. Not to be confused with yhx.

Warbler said:

I still in the middle of reading the Bible. I am simultaneously reading it in the KJV and NIV84. I have read Genesis, Job, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, 1 Samuel, and 2 Samuel. I an currently reading Psalms. I am at Psalms 106 in the KJV and Psalms 101 in the NIV84.

What kind of order is that? Not that the Bible is chronological, but Joshua through 2 Kings is. NIV is one of the worst translations in my opinion by the way.

Based on everything in this thread it is, especially at work.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Jeebus said:

Mike O said:

moviefreakedmind said:

If your medication isn’t working then I doubt that more of it will help you. Also, have you considered disconnecting your internet if you can?

It’s 2017. I need the Internet day-to-day.

Yeah, having internet is pretty much a necessity these days.

Why?

Its 2017. The internet has basically become a necessity these days. Just remember there were probably some oldtimers in 1917 that wondered why electricity was considered a necessity.

What’s it necessary for? If it’s the most obvious and debilitating outlet for his impulses then it is something to consider. At least limit it somehow, even if it’s just not taking a smartphone to work.

Jeebus said:

Mike O said:

moviefreakedmind said:

If your medication isn’t working then I doubt that more of it will help you. Also, have you considered disconnecting your internet if you can?

It’s 2017. I need the Internet day-to-day.

Yeah, having internet is pretty much a necessity these days.

Why?

I’m just saying that from everything you’ve posted it looks like most of your impulsive forays in religious subjects stem from instant access to the internet. Unless you need it then maybe you could consider giving it up or limiting it somehow.

Fang Zei said:

Do we know who’s idea that was (erasing the snake pit reflection)? Spielberg has said he regrets ever making the SE of E.T. and said back in 2012 that all new releases of his existing films going forward would be completely unaltered.

I’m assuming they erased the reflection yet again for the 2012 4k master. Was the 2003 dvd the first time they meddled with it or is it gone on the laserdisc as well? In any event, I’m guessing it was George’s idea.

I wasn’t aware that George had anything to do with the blu-ray of Raiders.

I prefer things to be left untouched, but the thing is, a lot of the minor errors corrected for blu ray are things that would actually be significantly more visible on blu ray than they were in theaters decades ago. Blu-ray is not an exact replication of the theatrical experience. The marks on the window in Aliens is something that I’ve never noticed, and would never have known about if I hadn’t been told, and are also genuinely something that were not meant to be in the movie. Would I prefer that they weren’t deleted? I guess, but do I care? No.

That’s not on the same level as the Star Wars special editions.

I know, I’m just enjoying coming up with new ways of invoking God in this thread.

I believe Cameron has approval privileges with his movies, which he could hold off on to halt new transfers, but not necessarily old ones or TV ones. I really couldn’t tell you. I do know that True Lies has had all of the bonus features made for its blu ray release already, but it isn’t out yet for no reason.

Oh dear good Lord Jesus Christ.