Cops are supposed to approach things calmly and rationally, even if the situation is intense. Also, the guy was down and surrendering. They didn’t need to shoot him. Like I said, even if he did think that the guy was pulling a gun, that just means that the officer is criminally negligent and should be tried and hopefully imprisoned for manslaughter.
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^ this. If anyone other than a cop did this, we’d be calling for the death penalty.
anyone else and we’d be wondering why they approached this guy instead of leaving it for the cops.
I think that when cops do things like this, the crime should be treated as more severe given the fact that they are police.
Sorry that is not the way our justice system works. Cops have the same rights as anyone else.
I didn’t say anything about revoking their rights. I think that it should be a more severe crime to murder someone while on duty as a police officer than otherwise. Even if the crime itself isn’t handled differently, it’s still more fucked up when cops do this since they’re in positions of trust and authority. It’s like how it is slightly more twisted when a parent abuses their own child than it is when just any evil adult abuses a child. They’re perverting the way things are supposed to be.
You make a good point.
They shouldn’t be cut any slack at all for this shit.
No. They should be held to a higher standard.
Why are you responding to yourself?
You quoted it like it was something you said.
No slack? what about the presumption of innocence until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt? Do you really honestly know beyond a reasonable doubt that the cop didn’t think the guy was reaching for a gun?
I don’t care if the cop thought he was reaching for a gun.
With that unreasonable statement, I see no reason to discuss this further.
If he saw this guy as being that dangerous then he shouldn’t have given him so much time to reach for a gun. Rather than harassing him, he should’ve arrested him right away. At best it’s criminal incompetence and manslaughter.
EDIT: I know most of them won’t do that, but that’s the mindset amongst many people. “Oh, he was unarmed, but it looked like he could’ve been reaching for a gun. Better safe than sorry.”
You make a good point, but consider this: what if the cop in question were a family member of yours? You might then prefer the “better safe than sorry” approach.
I probably would, but I would also prefer that my cop family member opt for a taser or stun-gun in a situation where he’s got an apparently unarmed suspect held at gunpoint.
His explanation doesn’t apply here. The suspect wasn’t doing anything when he was murdered so the fear that a taser would have been ineffective isn’t important. They could have jumped on him and had time.
Actually he was doing somthing, he was reaching behind his back and for all they knew, he had a gun.
The cop shouldn’t have let it get to that point. And given the context of that situation, there’s reason to make that conclusion, just as Jeebus explained. I don’t get why cops have to be given such extreme benefits of the doubt.
^ this. If anyone other than a cop did this, we’d be calling for the death penalty.
anyone else and we’d be wondering why they approached this guy instead of leaving it for the cops.
I think that when cops do things like this, the crime should be treated as more severe given the fact that they are police.
Sorry that is not the way our justice system works. Cops have the same rights as anyone else.
I didn’t say anything about revoking their rights. I think that it should be a more severe crime to murder someone while on duty as a police officer than otherwise. Even if the crime itself isn’t handled differently, it’s still more fucked up when cops do this since they’re in positions of trust and authority. It’s like how it is slightly more twisted when a parent abuses their own child than it is when just any evil adult abuses a child. They’re perverting the way things are supposed to be.
They shouldn’t be cut any slack at all for this shit.
No. They should be held to a higher standard.
No slack? what about the presumption of innocence until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt? Do you really honestly know beyond a reasonable doubt that the cop didn’t think the guy was reaching for a gun?
I don’t care if the cop thought he was reaching for a gun. If he thought the guy was that dangerous he should have arrested him when he had him surrendering at gunpoint. At best he is criminally incompetent, at worst he’s a murderer.
EDIT: I know most of them won’t do that, but that’s the mindset amongst many people. “Oh, he was unarmed, but it looked like he could’ve been reaching for a gun. Better safe than sorry.”
You make a good point, but consider this: what if the cop in question were a family member of yours? You might then prefer the “better safe than sorry” approach.
I probably would, but I would also prefer that my cop family member opt for a taser or stun-gun in a situation where he’s got an apparently unarmed suspect held at gunpoint.
His explanation doesn’t apply here. The suspect wasn’t doing anything when he was murdered so the fear that a taser would have been ineffective isn’t important. They could have jumped on him and had time.
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I feel like I could drop dead tomorrow and nobody’d notice for at least a month.
I’d notice way before a month. You post every day and my days are better because of it.
I’d also like to wish Bingo good luck.
^ this. If anyone other than a cop did this, we’d be calling for the death penalty. I think that when cops do things like this, the crime should be treated as more severe given the fact that they are police. They shouldn’t be cut any slack at all for this shit.
EDIT: I know most of them won’t do that, but that’s the mindset amongst many people. “Oh, he was unarmed, but it looked like he could’ve been reaching for a gun. Better safe than sorry.”
You make a good point, but consider this: what if the cop in question were a family member of yours? You might then prefer the “better safe than sorry” approach.
I probably would, but I would also prefer that my cop family member opt for a taser or stun-gun in a situation where he’s got an apparently unarmed suspect held at gunpoint.
I also like a good solid most of originaltrilogy.com’s posters.
Supposedly, according to King’s intro, the additions were things that he had to cut from what would have been his final draft purely because his publisher had a page limit. His actual changes to the text beyond adding things had to do with updating the story to include references to things like the AIDS epidemic. If I love the book I may track down an original version. I don’t think it’s sold new anywhere, although all copies of the Stand are still advertised as “Uncut” so it isn’t like the Star Wars situation where we got a replacement.
EDIT: I think he changed the year from 1985 to 1990 as well.
Bon voyage! Have fun in jail, shitbag!
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/07/us/michael-slager-sentence-walter-scott.html
He should’ve gotten life, and this is only one case stacked up against a mountain of cases where the cop gets away with it; but it’s a start.
I agree justice was done in this case. Yes there are cases where the cop gets away with it, there are also cases where people presume the cop guilty and won’t give the evidence an open-minded evaluation.
This absolutely fucking enraged me. I can not think of a punishment too cruel or too unusual for those cops.
While I don’t agree with how the officer handled the situation up to the point of shooting, I have to be honest and say it looked to me like the guy could have been reaching for a gun. At the time the cop fired, Daniel Shaver reached his right hand behind his back like he was reaching for something and then brought it out again. For all the cop knew, Shaver had in the back pocket of his pants. When I watched the video the first time, I could not tell whether he had a gun when he brought his hand out from behind him. Keep in mind, if Shaver was armed and intended to shoot, the officer would have had a mere split second to react. He could reply the video again and again and in slow motion to make sure whether or not Shaver had a gun. Now, I will say I do not understand why he ordered the guy to come forward on his knees with his legs crossed. I don’t why he couldn’t have ordered the guy to lie flat and have cop search him. I would like to know more about how things got to the point it did in the video. Also wish Ferris were still here. I’d be interested to hear what he would have to say about this.
This is why I don’t trust cops. If you make even just one movement that could possibly be startling in any way, then they’re justified in shooting you to death.
EDIT: I know most of them won’t do that, but that’s the mindset amongst many people. “Oh, he was unarmed, but it looked like he could’ve been reaching for a gun. Better safe than sorry.”
EDIT 2: And Warbler, I know you’re not trying to justify police brutality. I’m not accusing you of that.
I was thinking that I’ve been too negative lately so I wanted to say nice things. I also really love the receptionist at my job.
I’m about to start the Stand. I’ve got the “Complete and Uncut” version. From my understanding it’s the best. Obviously Star Wars and the George Lucas shenanigans make me weary of revisions, but from what I’ve read King did a fair job with this.
I love my nieces and nephew.
I’m not going to say I’ve never been party to misanthropic thoughts, but I think it’s a tad ungenerous to state that out of seven billion humans on the face of the Earth, only twenty of them are decent people – especially when you don’t know most of them.
I don’t wish them any ill will I just don’t like them.
I’m not being hypocritical either. I rank myself among the 6,999,999,980.
Just stopping by to vent on how much I hate all people. There’re about fifteen or twenty people that are okay but everyone else can go to hell.
Sorry, not making fun at all, just reminded me of one of my favorite Futurama lines.
I’m opposed to murder but his sentiment is fair.
I don’t find it that funny. People’s incompetence pisses me off more than anything and The Room is nothing but incompetence.
I’ll lighten the fuck up when I’m dead. And I hate SpongeBob
I don’t find it that funny. People’s incompetence pisses me off more than anything and The Room is nothing but incompetence.
…fifteen or twenty people that are okay…
Hey, that number seems to have gone up a bit! 😃
I’m including the coworkers I have that don’t actively piss me off.
Just stopping by to vent on how much I hate all people. There’re about fifteen or twenty people that are okay but everyone else can go to hell.
Not to mention that a man defending himself against a woman would likely get him arrested.
Why would he be arrested if it were truly self defense?
Why would anyone have any faith in American law enforcement?
I have been a bystander in my own life for far too long. I have only ever had one true friend, halfway across the country. Everyone else either acts nice or I make them uncomfortable, I could never have an actual conversation with any of them. I’m not revolting in appearance, I’ve consistently gotten compliments from other men, but I seem to not have had much luck in getting to know anybody, let alone go on a single date.
Nobody is interested in getting to know me. I just don’t get it. I put in effort and never get anything substantial or meaningful out of it. It’s so bad I don’t even really understand how people live differently. I’m just going to have to come to terms with being alone forever.
If I knew you in person I’d probably be interested in getting to know you. I just say whatever insane thing comes to my mind, assuming it’s appropriate, and that always intrigues people. Try that and people will talk to you.
Not to mention that a man defending himself against a woman would likely get him arrested.
That’s good. Apply somewhere else in the meantime.
I will say that working with the public and being young and handsome I’ve been harassed by a few women and it’s turned ugly a couple times and I was genuinely uncomfortable several times. Did anybody care? No, it was a funny joke that I would even complain about it.
Not saying men have it near as bad as women, but male victimization could stand to be a bit destigmatized.
Oh my God, you’re so disingenuous!!!
