Whatever keeps this man off the Supreme Court is fine by me. Kavanaugh’s 30+ year career is nothing but ruling after ruling against the common man and in favor of our corporate overlords.
All I know is that activism is slowly replacing reason on the left
While that may be true, activism has already replaced reason on the right. Both sides demonizing each other and glorifying themselves, as though either side has a monopoly on reason, to the detriment of reason itself.
Consider that Rush and Hannity cater exclusively to the right and have done so for a long time; and how many on the right are quick to defame Obama or Hillary, but are extremely hesitant, or flat out refuse, to oppose Trump’s views or actions (except in secret) now that he’s the president.
To be clear, and I’ve mentioned this before, one should not infer that I approve of or don’t see actions on the right that I’m currently criticizing on the left. I’ve seen this in a lot of political discourse, and not just here. It’s almost like some kind of reverse whataboutism, where if you criticize one side for something, people point out that you’re not criticizing the opposite side at the same time, which means you must condone the same actions on the opposite side. It’s bizarre.
Speaking for myself, I’m not a leftist nor a liberal. I’m a moderate devout-Christian Democrat from Oklahoma who is increasingly disenfranchised with the whole political scene in general. To be sure, my intellectual beliefs line up a lot with those on the left side of the aisle, but my faith purportedly not as much.
And that’s a big beef I have with either side. The left often belittles faith in God, and Christianity in particular, as archaic superstitious nonsense; and the right uses (pretend?) “faith” as a political tool to garner votes. Though I find the latter much, MUCH more irritating than the former, since they bizarrely cite faith while doing things wholly contrary to what their faith teaches them were they actually familiar with it (which amounts to them being Pharisees).
Yeah. I’m pretty much lining up with this here.
With the slight sway in that I’m probably more right than left. I mean my religion’s at war with my heart even on the best days. So I give a nod to keeping a bit right on the social side? But then when it comes to fiscal policy I guess I’m more of a bit left there. I mean I don’t believe in wide open capitalism. I think stores are getting way the hell too big and guys with deep pockets are buying too many votes.
That said? I also think our county’s got a problem with emotion winning instead of reason. I mean you see it in the news. You see it in the universities. You see it just about everywhere really.
So that’s where I’ve gotten to be a bit of a Jordan Peterson watcher. I mean that guy’s videos are sometimes pretty good. I connect with the way he lays things out most of the time. I mean I’m hardly a disciple? But that guy has a way of talking that’s usually a class act. At least in the ones I’ve watched anyway. I mean sometimes he comes across a bit angry or maybe stubborn in places? But usually he’ll admit when he’s wrong in an argument. So that scores points with me.
He started out really angry and stubborn, and admits as much, which is why he adjusted his style as his exposure increased. Nothing wrong with recognizing a fault within yourself and making active attempts to improve your behavior.
Peterson tends to lose me when he starts talking religion, but I think he has genuinely good intentions and find most of his advice to be grounded in common sense.
The common sense that if you’re an atheist, you’re really just a Christian that doesn’t know it yet.
So that’s where I’ve gotten to be a bit of a Jordan Peterson watcher. I mean that guy’s videos are sometimes pretty good. I connect with the way he lays things out most of the time. I mean I’m hardly a disciple? But that guy has a way of talking that’s usually a class act. At least in the ones I’ve watched anyway. I mean sometimes he comes across a bit angry or maybe stubborn in places? But usually he’ll admit when he’s wrong in an argument. So that scores points with me.
I can’t get past that Cathy Newman interview where she kept saying “So what you’re saying is [not at all what he just said].” Peterson might even be crazy, but to strawman his words in such a comically farcical way makes it hard for me to take opposition to him seriously.
It’s fine to disagree with Peterson and even question him rigorously, but most of the venom directed towards him both in this thread and the media as a whole is misguided at best and dishonest at worst. Some left-leaning journalists blatantly lie about his positions and misrepresent him, which ironically has only fueled further interest in what he has to say. It’s backfired tremendously.
Peterson fans use that as an excuse to disregard all harsh criticism of him. How has most of the venom in this thread been misguided or dishonest? Pretty much all of it has come from me, so I think I can debunk these claims of it being dishonest if I hear some specifics.
Re: the money order. At Walmart if you buy a money order and then end up not needing it you can just bring it back with the receipt and they’ll give you the money back minus the fee for printing it. (88 cents at Walmart), even if it’s filled out. They make you write “not used for intended purpose on the back” and then they can get reimbursed for it. If you don’t have the receipt they’ll still cash it for you if it’s made out to you with a 1% fee. But they only cash money orders that came from Walmart at our store. I don’t know about other places.
Yeah, I imagine that an unused money order would be possible to refund almost anywhere.
Landlords are terrible, terrible people.
I know I shouldn’t be talking, but don’t you think that’s an unreasonable judgement to make? I’m not bothered or anything, it just seems like a really weird thing to say about such a broad group of people.
The most telling thing about Kavanaugh and his supporters is that they are the ones that are opposed to a true investigation by law enforcement. The alleged victims are interested in that, which, by the way, would make them felons if they are making these allegations up. Let the FBI investigate and then hold the confirmation hearing later.
That said, to argue against your point, the number of people on the right who show up for protests and marches are dwarfed by left. Trump inspires lefties to go nuts and march in the millions. The right largely just stays home and stockpiles guns 😉
Did you forget the other rallies Trump inspires? The left rallies may be larger…
It’s interesting that rallies on the right make you think of white nationalists. Do you immediately associate rallies on the left with Antifa? BLM?
Anti-fascists and Black Lives Matter are not the equivalent of white nationalists. Interesting that you make that connection.
Antifa is a violent organization packed with “good” fascists who think they’re saving the country from “bad” fascists. Just as nuts as anybody on the far right.
Uh, they’re not fascists. They’re anarchists and communists. There’s a clear political difference. I don’t support Antifa, but I’ve made clear that I am in favor of some types of political violence. Not all violence is the same. I think that we need to remove all judges and representatives that are bought and paid for by corporations. If we can do that peacefully, then that’s great, but I’m not opposed to people doing it forcefully.
Antifa may label themselves as something they view as honorable and worthwhile—and obviously you sympathize with their views—but they’re lying extremists who want to suppress free speech and are willing to use violence to achieve their goals.
I do sympathize with their views even though I don’t support them. My problem was calling them fascists. They’re anarchists and communists, which I think are stupid and destructive ideologies, but they’re factually distinct from fascism.
I shouldn’t have lumped BLM with them.
Of course you shouldn’t have, but I find it interesting that you did.
Just call me a racist and get it over with. I can see your eyelid twitching from here.
Oh, you’re one of these guys that thinks everyone is out to call him racist, huh? I don’t think that, I think that you’re someone that likes to equate outright racism against non-white people with less-outright racism against white people. It isn’t the first time you’ve done it either. You equated Trump’s refusal to denounce white supremacists with Obama’s neglecting to denounce black supremacists.
That said, to argue against your point, the number of people on the right who show up for protests and marches are dwarfed by left. Trump inspires lefties to go nuts and march in the millions. The right largely just stays home and stockpiles guns 😉
What the hell are you talking about? Don’t you remember the Tea Party? What about the pro-life march every year? Of course they’re protesting less now, their side is in power.
And how the fuck is it nuts to march?
First of all, chill out. I didn’t say it was “nuts to march”. It was an expression.
You said they go nuts and march.
Yes, exactly. I didn’t say only nuts march.
I don’t see marching as a direct result of going nuts.
I also said conservatives stockpile guns, which is obviously hyperbole also.
It really isn’t. They aren’t necessarily nuts and they do stockpile guns. Not all of them, but a sizable amount.
I mean is it not obvious to anyone else I was exaggerating for effect? Was the little winky face not enough of an indicator?
It didn’t seem like an exaggeration. You say the left is crazy or nuts or whatever all the time so why should it be an exaggeration this time.
Conservative protesters typically don’t turn out in the same numbers as liberal protesters, even at their own marches.
Why does that matter? People that want change tend to protest more. Go figure. Protest is often a good thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_protests_in_the_United_States_by_size
Do any of those look like conservative causes?
No, but to pretend that protest (especially crazy protest) is unique to the left is ridiculous.
Did I say protest was unique to the left? No. I said that conservatives don’t protest in the same numbers as liberals. I backed that up with data.
Yet another instance where you demonstrate that you read what you want into what I say rather than what’s actually written.
I felt like you were ignoring conservative activism (or attempts at activism) in this country. Countless boycotts, the Tea Party, pro-life bullshit, anti-gay activism (like Kim Davis and the rallies to support her). Not all protests take the form of marches.
I prefer antagonistic discussion.
No shit. I’d argue it’s mostly unproductive and largely designed to get a rise out of people rather than exchange ideas.
I don’t care about getting rises out of people. I don’t see how being antagonistic is unproductive. That’s how shit gets changed. I also don’t really like “exchanging ideas” in the calm, tepid sense. I have things to say and I’m very passionate about them and when I see things that I disagree with or that I think are uninformed or unreasonable, then I call it out.
There’s nothing more obnoxious than people that make it difficult for you to give them money when you have to pay them.
I prefer antagonistic discussion.
So that’s where I’ve gotten to be a bit of a Jordan Peterson watcher. I mean that guy’s videos are sometimes pretty good. I connect with the way he lays things out most of the time. I mean I’m hardly a disciple? But that guy has a way of talking that’s usually a class act. At least in the ones I’ve watched anyway. I mean sometimes he comes across a bit angry or maybe stubborn in places? But usually he’ll admit when he’s wrong in an argument. So that scores points with me.
I can’t get past that Cathy Newman interview where she kept saying “So what you’re saying is [not at all what he just said].” Peterson might even be crazy, but to strawman his words in such a comically farcical way makes it hard for me to take opposition to him seriously.
Yeah I watched that one too. And felt the exact same way. Don’t sum up what a guy just said in totally different words. Just ask him to clarify.
Or just do what I do, which is attack his actual opinions.
So that’s where I’ve gotten to be a bit of a Jordan Peterson watcher. I mean that guy’s videos are sometimes pretty good. I connect with the way he lays things out most of the time. I mean I’m hardly a disciple? But that guy has a way of talking that’s usually a class act. At least in the ones I’ve watched anyway. I mean sometimes he comes across a bit angry or maybe stubborn in places? But usually he’ll admit when he’s wrong in an argument. So that scores points with me.
I can’t get past that Cathy Newman interview where she kept saying “So what you’re saying is [not at all what he just said].” Peterson might even be crazy, but to strawman his words in such a comically farcical way makes it hard for me to take opposition to him seriously.
So because one person that opposes him is full of shit . . . What? I could find you examples of people lying about Trump, that doesn’t mean opposition to him isn’t genuine.
That said, to argue against your point, the number of people on the right who show up for protests and marches are dwarfed by left. Trump inspires lefties to go nuts and march in the millions. The right largely just stays home and stockpiles guns 😉
Did you forget the other rallies Trump inspires? The left rallies may be larger…
It’s interesting that rallies on the right make you think of white nationalists. Do you immediately associate rallies on the left with Antifa? BLM?
Anti-fascists and Black Lives Matter are not the equivalent of white nationalists. Interesting that you make that connection.
Antifa is a violent organization packed with “good” fascists who think they’re saving the country from “bad” fascists. Just as nuts as anybody on the far right.
Uh, they’re not fascists. They’re anarchists and communists. There’s a clear political difference. I don’t support Antifa, but I’ve made clear that I am in favor of some types of political violence. Not all violence is the same. I think that we need to remove all judges and representatives that are bought and paid for by corporations. If we can do that peacefully, then that’s great, but I’m not opposed to people doing it forcefully.
I shouldn’t have lumped BLM with them.
Of course you shouldn’t have, but I find it interesting that you did.
That said, to argue against your point, the number of people on the right who show up for protests and marches are dwarfed by left. Trump inspires lefties to go nuts and march in the millions. The right largely just stays home and stockpiles guns 😉
What the hell are you talking about? Don’t you remember the Tea Party? What about the pro-life march every year? Of course they’re protesting less now, their side is in power.
And how the fuck is it nuts to march?
First of all, chill out. I didn’t say it was “nuts to march”. It was an expression.
You said they go nuts and march.
Conservative protesters typically don’t turn out in the same numbers as liberal protesters, even at their own marches.
Why does that matter? People that want change tend to protest more. Go figure. Protest is often a good thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_protests_in_the_United_States_by_size
Do any of those look like conservative causes?
No, but to pretend that protest (especially crazy protest) is unique to the left is ridiculous.
That’s how I talk about things. I’ll leave now.
That said, to argue against your point, the number of people on the right who show up for protests and marches are dwarfed by left. Trump inspires lefties to go nuts and march in the millions. The right largely just stays home and stockpiles guns 😉
What the hell are you talking about? Don’t you remember the Tea Party? What about the pro-life march every year? Of course they’re protesting less now, their side is in power.
And how the fuck is it nuts to march?
That said, to argue against your point, the number of people on the right who show up for protests and marches are dwarfed by left. Trump inspires lefties to go nuts and march in the millions. The right largely just stays home and stockpiles guns 😉
Did you forget the other rallies Trump inspires? The left rallies may be larger…
It’s interesting that rallies on the right make you think of white nationalists. Do you immediately associate rallies on the left with Antifa? BLM?
Anti-fascists and Black Lives Matter are not the equivalent of white nationalists. Interesting that you make that connection. I’d say that Antifa represents the most extreme of the left as white nationalists represent the extreme of the right, but I’d rather be on the side of the most extreme anti-fascists than the least extreme white nationalists.
I get all that shit, but I didn’t like the character. How is it a mistake to bring up my disdain for people? It’s relevant. I don’t like ordinary, boring people so obviously I’m not going to like an ordinary, boring character. Whatever its goal was, the film’s story didn’t move me. That was my fucking problem with it. I get your point about the everyman character, I even acknowledged that earlier, but it doesn’t work for me. I said that many times. I don’t need or want a scholarly assessment of the film to convince me how wrong I am about it. I don’t care if every single other person on this shithole planet likes that lead character, it doesn’t change that I didn’t.
For fuck’s sake.
There’s a 100% chance that every election in my area goes to a Republican. There’s no point in wasting my time voting.
I don’t think Republicans will gain seats by the way.
The next election will be the opposite situation for them.
Did we see the same movie? Roy’s wife bailed on him and took the kids with her when he went crazy. They weren’t exactly standing by him. And the kids came off as dullard brats who fancied goofy golf over a seeing a Disney film. Odds are the wife was going to want a divorce. Stay on Earth and pay alimony and child support for the next 15 years, or go with the aliens and possibly be declared legally dead? Tough choice! 😛
I don’t know. His character is like one of the millions of boring, shitty people that I wish would die but don’t. Just not my type of lead character.
You’re looking at it entirely the wrong way, though I guess I’m not surprised.
What am I missing? You gotta be patient with me. I don’t have your analytical mind. I need things spelled out for me.
Almost all of the seats up for election are filled by Democrats.
Did we see the same movie? Roy’s wife bailed on him and took the kids with her when he went crazy. They weren’t exactly standing by him. And the kids came off as dullard brats who fancied goofy golf over a seeing a Disney film. Odds are the wife was going to want a divorce. Stay on Earth and pay alimony and child support for the next 15 years, or go with the aliens and possibly be declared legally dead? Tough choice! 😛
I don’t know. His character is like one of the millions of boring, shitty people that I wish would die but don’t. Just not my type of lead character.
I don’t know, I don’t have any.
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I’d rather that then the film be about the character abandoning his kids. To me the Roy character was just another selfish asshole that the human race would be much better without (so I guess it did have a happy ending, lol). Anyway, he’s not something I can or want to relate to. And it wouldn’t have had to have been about her finding her son. The obsession could’ve consumed her and then her son’s disappearance could’ve prompted her to go searching. It would take some changes to the script, but it could’ve worked more or less the same.
You definitely need a very relatable character for this, but I don’t see how Melinda Dillon couldn’t have served as a blank slate. She has some characteristics that make her unique but not enough to make her unrelatable. I definitely related to her and didn’t at all to the lead. Maybe that’s just me but I don’t see how her character would exclude anybody from projecting themselves onto her.